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CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!

 
Anonymous Coward
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06/01/2012 10:41 AM
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Israel did it, not Obama
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7384841


Really, could this guy actually get his choom gang together long enough to stop smoking the refer and conduct successful espionage missions?

otrike


I rest my case.
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06/01/2012 10:41 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
Israel did it, not Obama
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7384841


Nope. Stuxnet, Duqu & Flame were all joint ventures...
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06/01/2012 10:42 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
Just following orders from his Zio Bosses.
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06/01/2012 10:43 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
Israel did it, not Obama
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7384841


Nope. Stuxnet, Duqu & Flame were all joint ventures...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17116182


yes, joints would be involved wouldn't they? lol
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06/01/2012 10:44 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
From the NYT-article:

It appears to be the first time the United States has repeatedly used cyberweapons to cripple another country’s infrastructure, achieving, with computer code, what until then could be accomplished only by bombing a country or sending in agents to plant explosives.

Isn't this as much as admitting to an act of war?


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 Quoting: Ravan
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See, that's why this story must be fake.


Everyone know that Obama prefers to kill women and children with Drones, not computer viruses!




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06/01/2012 11:08 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
What proof is there?

None.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 568542


all roads lead to IS RA EL

israel used STUXNET on Iran, they admitted it

then they used it on FUKUSHIMA, google "jim stone fukushima"

now they have admitted they developed flame:

[link to www.roytov.com]
Oldmotherhubbard

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06/01/2012 11:09 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
it is on fox news right now.
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"they are shocked that so much of the stuxnet has gone public"
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"they are shocked that so much of the stuxnet info has gone public"
 Quoting: Oldmotherhubbard

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06/01/2012 11:12 AM
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but stuxnet did not behave as anticipated by darth
obama and spread far and wide.

eventually, it spread to the automated systems that
regulated the activities in japan's nuclear power plants.

waiting, waiting, waiting.

until a harmonically induced megaquake, caused by
nibiru's proximity, triggered backup safety protocols
to mishandle at the tsunami crippled fukushima complex.

and so, the great god yahoveh punished the illuminists
with their own weapons and completely eviscerated
a critical pacific ally as a warning and foreshadow.

but the illuminists and darth obama repented not of
their murders and thefts, and continued their
evils and to bow down to idols and to curse the
name of yahoveh...

 Quoting: grimmlord


What's that smell? I can't tell if it's sarcasm or delusion.....sniff sniff.

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06/01/2012 11:53 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
China has been doing this to the USA for YEARS.

...even some of it hard coded into microchips they sell us for military use.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

Ah, the joys of Outsourcing applause2


all roads lead to IS RA EL

israel used STUXNET on Iran, they admitted it

then they used it on FUKUSHIMA, google "jim stone fukushima"

now they have admitted they developed flame:

[link to www.roytov.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7384841


Zionism... Why is it not banned?

ISRAEL = SHITSRAEL = SHITS REAL = REAL SHIT
Anonymous Coward
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06/02/2012 09:51 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
China has been doing this to the USA for YEARS.

...even some of it hard coded into microchips they sell us for military use.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

Ah, the joys of Outsourcing applause2


all roads lead to IS RA EL

israel used STUXNET on Iran, they admitted it

then they used it on FUKUSHIMA, google "jim stone fukushima"

now they have admitted they developed flame:

[link to www.roytov.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7384841


Zionism... Why is it not banned?

ISRAEL = SHITSRAEL = SHITS REAL = REAL SHIT

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17085069


Why are people like you not castrated at birth?
Pandora's Box
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06/02/2012 10:54 PM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
While there is some history of cyber warfare between nations, the development of Stuxnet has taken this to new levels. Its one thing to directly hack or shutdown a target (eg DDOS) but quite another to write a highly sophisticated virus and allow it to be released onto the Internet, where it can potentially infect tens of millions of Computers. The world has been dealing with the pain caused by amateur virus coders for decades. In more recent times elements of organised crime have also funded the development of viruses and other assorted malware. However we have now entered the age of State funded virus development, which increases the threat level by an order of magnitude.

To date there has not been public acknowledgement of the collateral damage caused by Stuxnet. Does anyone know how much it costs to disinfect 10 million computers? While it would seem unlikely that Stuxnet caused any deaths there would have to be a significant financial cost when it's all added up.

The big question is how will Iran respond, now that the US and Israel have admitted responsibility. Will they take this to an International court? Will they initiate their own cyber warfare unit, justifying attacks on US and Israeli weapons contractors as a form of pre-emptive defence? Surely the US Government are anticipating some kind of response from Iran. Did they publicly announce this to draw Iran into a conflict? The potential for blowback is very large. Here's a link to an interesting analysis of Stuxnet and the future of cyber warfare that was written in Jan 2011 that covers some of these questions - [link to www.cyberdialogue.ca]

Iran cannot just meekly accept this act of aggression from the US and Israel as it must act to deter a repeat of this type of attack. While no one was killed in this attack, there would have been considerable costs incurred by the Iranian regime.

While there is evidence to show that Iran is funding operations against targets in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, as they are all covert operations the Iranian Government has plausible deniability.

On the other hand, Washington's semi-official outing of their cyber warfare attacks now falls into the overt category, which has a much greater implication.

And given the highly defensive nature of the Iranian regime, I strongly doubt that they will just roll over on this issue. I would expect a two pronged response to this attack. One vector would be a public denouncement and perhaps an appeal to the UN Security Council and the second vector would be to initiate covert cyber warfare attacks against the US and Israel.

This second vector presents a real problem to the general public as nasty computer viruses have a bad habit of rapidly spreading across the globe. Some of these can cause pretty significant financial impact on the compromised targets.

Thus the US Government by not only writing and releasing the very sophisticated Stuxnet but by publicly claiming responsibility for this self replicating monster have just opened Pandora's box.
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06/03/2012 02:42 AM
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Anonymous Coward
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06/03/2012 02:46 AM
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Yes, do you know how easy it is to "modify" these worms?

A few things changed with a hex editor, and bam! It's no longer isolated.
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06/03/2012 03:37 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
Yes, do you know how easy it is to "modify" these worms?

A few things changed with a hex editor, and bam! It's no longer isolated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10952533


Yes it's almost as irresponsible as publishing the blueprints to a Nuclear weapon.

The World has already suffered the collateral damage from this attack. Now we await the inevitable blowback.

While Stuxnet was targeted at specific Siemens SCADA control systems, the reciprocal from Iran may well target Nuclear Power plant control systems, or perhaps Aircraft control systems.

The UN really should work on putting the Genie back in the bottle before a lot of people get hurt.
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06/03/2012 03:39 AM
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Re: CYBERWAR -- Obama ordered Stuxnet attack on Iran!!!
American cyberattacks are not limited to Iran...

Yep Obama proved that when Fukushima got taken down by Stuxnet.

The real disaster in Fukushima (which really hasn't started yet)...wasn't caused by the M5.4 Earthquake 100 miles offshore and embellished to a M9.0, or the tsunami which did a few thousand dollars damage to outdoor water filtration shed...

The real disaster in Fukushima was the Stuxnet virus which exports erroneous information to the control panel then causes engineers to input "corrective" action which actaully causes the meltdowns.
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06/03/2012 04:28 AM
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American cyberattacks are not limited to Iran...

Yep Obama proved that when Fukushima got taken down by Stuxnet.

The real disaster in Fukushima (which really hasn't started yet)...wasn't caused by the M5.4 Earthquake 100 miles offshore and embellished to a M9.0, or the tsunami which did a few thousand dollars damage to outdoor water filtration shed...

The real disaster in Fukushima was the Stuxnet virus which exports erroneous information to the control panel then causes engineers to input "corrective" action which actaully causes the meltdowns.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17238986


Firstly it's important to understand the difference between the Stuxnet cyber attack and all other previous state sponsored cyber attacks. This was the first time a virus was specifically developed and deployed as the primary attack vector.

With respect to the conspiracy theory that the Fukushima disaster was caused by Stuxnet that is clearly in the Sci-Fi category. A fairly good timeline of the events which caused the Fukushima meltdown is given here - [link to e360.yale.edu]

However I believe it is totally conceivable that a virus like Stuxnet or perhaps even a variant of stuxnet could be used to attack the control systems of Nuclear Power plants. Of course for a Stuxnet variant to work, you would need to source new Zero day exploits as the vulnerabilities that Stuxnet attacked have been closed down with subsequent patches to Windows.

The scary thing about Stuxnet is that it proved that you can write and deploy a virus that can target industrial control systems that can physically destroy equipment, even when such control systems are NOT Internet connected.

The even more scary thing is that the US Govt just (semi-officially via the NYT) publicly admitted to creating Stuxnet. This admission will likely lead to counter attacks from Iran. Additionally it may also allow other actors to further justify virus based cyber warfare attacks.

There are strong parallels to the history of Germ Warfare, which after several attacks with this horrendous weapon it was initially banned in 1925 by the Geneva convention.

As with Germ Warfare the deployment of Virus based cyber attacks introduces the risk of large scale collateral damage.

A forward thinking United Nations would understand this potential and take immediate action to ban the development and deployment of Virus (any Malware really) based cyber warfare attacks.
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