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As an atheist, does it bother you at all...

 
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As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
... that according to your beliefs, all of the most evil and heinous people who ever lived... people who killed uncountable millions of people... will totally get away 100% scot-free with their incredibly evil crimes against humanity?

Does it bother you that the ultra "elite" of the world, who have lived lives of unimaginable luxury, while simultaneously stealing the futures of masses of people, will have lived an unimaginable of oppression and usury, and done so with absolutely ZERO penalties or repercussions.

Personally, I have total faith in what Jesus said about the fate of most rich people, and that last shall be first, and the first... last.

But how about you? Do you have any feelings about evil people getting away with anything and everything, no matter how diabolical and evil it might be? And if so... How does it affect your OWN behavior, knowing (in you mind anyway) that ANYTHING you do, you will totally get away with unless you are caught by your fellow man?

Yeah... yeah.. I know. There are "moral" atheists. But there's no denying that a HUGE deterrent to evil behavior is removed, when you take a judgment out of the equation.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
DID you ever notice... ATHEIST IS A THEIST... SOMEONE WHO STUDIES THEOS... GODS AND DEITIES? :P
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^^^ unimaginable life ^^^


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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
DID you ever notice... ATHEIST IS A THEIST... SOMEONE WHO STUDIES THEOS... GODS AND DEITIES? :P
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No... I would notice something that is not the case.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
wouldn't ^^^
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06/04/2012 07:27 AM
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Hitler was catholic.

He thought he was doing gods work, says so in Mein Khampf.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
A theist

and...

Atheist


Are two opposite people
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Hitler was catholic.

He thought he was doing gods work, says so in Mein Khampf.
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That in now way, shape or form answers (or addresses in any way) my question.

DID he totally get away with his crimes scot-free in your mind? He even committed suicide to escape justice here on earth, or at least that's the official story.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
OP, good question.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Think about it this way OP.

If an atheist is a good man, but has 'no moral code' why is he being a good man? What is the incentive, maybe he just likes being good.

If a religious man is a good man, only because he is fearful of gods wrath, who is the better man?

Surely the man who does good because its the right thing to do, rather than the man who does good for fear or punishment is the better man?
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
no way ^^^

(I'm using a junk keyboard)
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
DID he totally get away with his crimes scot-free in your mind? He even committed suicide to escape justice here on earth, or at least that's the official story.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3255271


I have no idea, there may be an afterlife there may not be.

If there is an afterlife did hitler get away with it, i have no idea.

If there is no afterlife and this is it, did hitler get away with it, i guess so, apart from the fact he is now dead and will never harm another living human being.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Think about it this way OP.

If an atheist is a good man, but has 'no moral code' why is he being a good man? What is the incentive, maybe he just likes being good.

If a religious man is a good man, only because he is fearful of gods wrath, who is the better man?

Surely the man who does good because its the right thing to do, rather than the man who does good for fear or punishment is the better man?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114


Apparently, the entire premise of my post escaped YOUR mind, as well.

Why do you completely AVOID answering the question?

I've heard all your BS rationalizations before.

Fact is... NOBODY is 'good".

Now why don't you just TRY and be SLIGHTLY honest, and answer the question at hand.

10-4?
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Hitler was catholic.

He thought he was doing gods work, says so in Mein Khampf.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114


Not really, actually mocked Christ quite often. Arguably an atheist, or a new aged tard (quite possibly like you AC) who believed in some sort of weird German folk paganism, but certainly not someone part of a of an organized religion.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
DID he totally get away with his crimes scot-free in your mind? He even committed suicide to escape justice here on earth, or at least that's the official story.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3255271


I have no idea, there may be an afterlife there may not be.

If there is an afterlife did hitler get away with it, i have no idea.

If there is no afterlife and this is it, did hitler get away with it, i guess so, apart from the fact he is now dead and will never harm another living human being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114


Got to tell ya, UK...

That was a world-class namby-pamby answer.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Not really, actually mocked Christ quite often. Arguably an atheist, or a new aged tard (quite possibly like you AC) who believed in some sort of weird German folk paganism, but certainly not someone part of a of an organized religion.
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So your word is more official that Hitlers direct words from his own biography? You can deny it all you want it doesnt stop it being a fact anymore than Mao and Stalin being Atheist.

Hitler was a Catholic and he thought he was doing gods work. He said so himself many times.

DEAL WITH IT.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Got to tell ya, UK...

That was a world-class namby-pamby answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3255271


Why is it a namby-pamby answer?

Im not dead, at least i dont think i am, therefore i have no idea if there is such a thing as an afterlife.

One day i will find out, or not.
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06/04/2012 07:39 AM
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
it bothers me no more than your belief in a god who allowed it to happen in the first place.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
don't inquisit me bro!
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Not really, actually mocked Christ quite often. Arguably an atheist, or a new aged tard (quite possibly like you AC) who believed in some sort of weird German folk paganism, but certainly not someone part of a of an organized religion.
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So your word is more official that Hitlers direct words from his own biography? You can deny it all you want it doesnt stop it being a fact anymore than Mao and Stalin being Atheist.

Hitler was a Catholic and he thought he was doing gods work. He said so himself many times.

DEAL WITH IT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114


LOL yes, his direct words where he mocks Christ and the Christian faith often and regularly? Durrrrr.

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains...The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life's final task will be to solve the religious problem." - Adolph Hitler

Actually sounds very very similar to a lot GLPers such as yourself.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Not really, actually mocked Christ quite often. Arguably an atheist, or a new aged tard (quite possibly like you AC) who believed in some sort of weird German folk paganism, but certainly not someone part of a of an organized religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15526347


So your word is more official that Hitlers direct words from his own biography? You can deny it all you want it doesnt stop it being a fact anymore than Mao and Stalin being Atheist.

Hitler was a Catholic and he thought he was doing gods work. He said so himself many times.

DEAL WITH IT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114


Even though you come across as an A-hole, you are correct about Hitler, and the Catholic "church". Known in the bible as "The Mother of Harlots". He loved the Jesuit Order so much that he modeled the SS after the Order. Himmler was a Jesuit himself.

But like Hitler, the Catholic "church" as an institution, will be judged by God and reap what it has sown all of these centuries. The Papacy tortured and killed more people than Hitler ever dreamed of.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
it is the state/mood/charge of the Earth (organism) in that time..... and upon it, people (cells of this organism) behave accordingly... in sync with it (in it... its all 1 LIFE)

so it is their momentary reaction to momentary influences & accesible information at that time [neuronal tree growth]
(today their behaviour would be not the same)

hf
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
does it bother you that more people have been killed in the name of god than by all the athiests in the world, combined in ALL time?
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Do you have any feelings about evil people getting away with anything and everything, no matter how diabolical and evil it might be?

And if so... How does it affect your OWN behavior, knowing (in you mind anyway) that ANYTHING you do, you will totally get away with unless you are caught by your fellow man?
 Quoting: Hitler Stalin Mao 3255271



Im not sure i get what you are saying, you are asking why dont i just behave how i would want IE manipulating and killing others.

Who says i want to live like that, people who are barbarians tend to die in barbaric ways.

I value friendship, kindness, loyality, i treat others with the same respect i would like to be treated with.

Did Hitler, Stalin and Mao receive justice, i have no idea. I seriously doubt it, i think they just died...maybe the energy or lifeforce carries on in the universe somewhere i dont know.

Think about this OP, if humans were so purely evil and only had the capacity for great evil im sure we would have wiped ourselves out thousands of years ago..we are not perfect by any means but the fact we still exist without killing ourselves suggest some good exists in us as a species... we have altruistic traits otherwise we wouldn't be here.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Got to tell ya, UK...

That was a world-class namby-pamby answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3255271


Why is it a namby-pamby answer?

Im not dead, at least i dont think i am, therefore i have no idea if there is such a thing as an afterlife.

One day i will find out, or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114



You may find out that you've lost everything important. Everything that matters. Everything eternal, by your disbelief, or simple lack of belief.

No faith = No eternal life

You stand to lose everything. I stand to lose nothing.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
does it bother you that more people have been killed in the name of god than by all the athiests in the world, combined in ALL time?
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It took the Roman catholic church 1260 years to kill around 50 (maybe 100) million people.

It took Atheistic Communism less than 50 years to double (possibly quadruple) that.

Your fuzzy math needs some work.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
Some atheist's would probably say that it's all relative to one's personal morals.

So, if someone kills millions and doesn't feel bad about it, they must have some sort of psychological disease. They would have to be a deviant to the norm because "normal" people know the difference between right and wrong.

That being said, all the atheist can say is that it's very unfortunate that these evils happen, but its due to environment and psychological health and that in the end, there is no reason behind it, it just is.

I'm not christian but I do believe in a higher consciousness. I'm inclined to think that, from a higher perspective, we put ourselves through evils in order to experience them and overcome them. Sometimes playing the victim, other times the aggressor.
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
... that according to your beliefs, all of the most evil and heinous people who ever lived... people who killed uncountable millions of people... will totally get away 100% scot-free with their incredibly evil crimes against humanity?

Does it bother you that the ultra "elite" of the world, who have lived lives of unimaginable luxury, while simultaneously stealing the futures of masses of people, will have lived an unimaginable of oppression and usury, and done so with absolutely ZERO penalties or repercussions.

Personally, I have total faith in what Jesus said about the fate of most rich people, and that last shall be first, and the first... last.

But how about you? Do you have any feelings about evil people getting away with anything and everything, no matter how diabolical and evil it might be? And if so... How does it affect your OWN behavior, knowing (in you mind anyway) that ANYTHING you do, you will totally get away with unless you are caught by your fellow man?

Yeah... yeah.. I know. There are "moral" atheists. But there's no denying that a HUGE deterrent to evil behavior is removed, when you take a judgment out of the equation.
 Quoting: Hitler Stalin Mao 3255271

Iím agnostic; I hope my opinion matters to you, OP.

Iím trying to act ethically without hoping for reward or fearing of punishment in the afterlife. Because I believe (yes) thatís the right thing to do, right here on this world.

I fought and I shall fight - if itíll take Ė against the totalitarianism and injustice here on this world. We should not let the ďevil peopleĒ getting away with anything here and now; fight against the evil, thatís the only way to stop it, IMHO.

On the other side Ė according to your belief Ė all these "evil people" might have asked God for forgiveness - if for nothing else because of fear of eternal punishment - and get away without it. Is that okay?

*
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
LOL yes, his direct words where he mocks Christ and the Christian faith often and regularly? Durrrrr.

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains...The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life's final task will be to solve the religious problem." - Adolph Hitler

Actually sounds very very similar to a lot GLPers such as yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15526347


You are just looking like a moran to a student of history now.

Hitlers ties to the catholic church are well known, some elements of the catholic church were deeply entwined with the nazi party, lots of high up bishops even supported him.
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does it bother you that more people have been killed in the name of god than by all the athiests in the world, combined in ALL time?
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It took the Roman catholic church 1260 years to kill around 50 (maybe 100) million people.

It took Atheistic Communism less than 50 years to double (possibly quadruple) that.

Your fuzzy math needs some work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3255271


Throw in the godless Chinamen of the 19th century. Holy shit, they killed each others by the 100's of millions that would make any psychopath godless would-be westerner dictator realize he has some work to do!
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Re: As an atheist, does it bother you at all...
LOL yes, his direct words where he mocks Christ and the Christian faith often and regularly? Durrrrr.

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains...The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life's final task will be to solve the religious problem." - Adolph Hitler

Actually sounds very very similar to a lot GLPers such as yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15526347


You are just looking like a moran to a student of history now.

Hitlers ties to the catholic church are well known, some elements of the catholic church were deeply entwined with the nazi party, lots of high up bishops even supported him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16947114


"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." - Adolph Hitler





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