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*BREAkINg NEwS* PROOF SHROUD OF TURIN IS FAKE???

 
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*BREAkINg NEwS* PROOF SHROUD OF TURIN IS FAKE???
The Turin Shroud is a fake… and it’s one of 40: Historian claims linen cloths were produced 1,300 years after crucifixionBy Matthew Kalman
PUBLISHED: 10:29 EST, 10 June 2012 | UPDATED: 02:39 EST, 11 June 2012
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Not only is the Turin Shroud probably a medieval fake but it is just one of an astonishing 40 so-called burial cloths of Jesus, according to an eminent church historian.
Antonio Lombatti said the false shrouds circulated in the Middle Ages, but most of them were later destroyed.
He said the Turin Shroud itself – showing an image of a bearded man and venerated for centuries as Christ’s burial cloth – appears to have originated in Turkey some 1,300 years after the Crucifixion.
The Turin Shroud was believed to have covered Jesus, but a leading Church historian says it is one of many produced over a thousand years after his death
Lombatti, of the Università Popolare in Parma, Italy, cited work by a 19th century French historian who had studied surviving medieval documents. ‘The Turin Shroud is only one of the many burial cloths which were circulating in the Christian world during the Middle Ages. There were at least 40,’ said Lombatti.
‘Most of them were destroyed during the French Revolution. Some had images, others had blood-like stains, and others were completely white.’
The Turin Shroud is a linen cloth, about 14ft by 4ft, bearing a front and back view of the image of a bearded, naked man who appears to have been stabbed or tortured. Ever since the detail on the cloth was revealed by negative photography in the late 19th century it has attracted thousands of pilgrims to the Cathedral of St John the Baptist in Turin.
In a research paper to be published this month in the scholarly journal Studi Medievali, Lombatti says the shroud was most likely given to French knight Geoffroy de Charny as a memento from a crusade to Smyrna, Turkey, in 1346. The de Charny family are the first recorded owners of the shroud.
The image has bewitched believers and sceptics alike since the negative image, right, was revealed in the late 19th century
Lombatti found that Geoffroy was unable to join a pilgrimage to Jerusalem after liberating Smyrna, so he was given the shroud as a symbol of his participation in the crusade to Turkey.
The Catholic Church has never officially commented on the shroud’s authenticity, but has made samples available to scientists for testing.
In 2009 a Vatican researcher said she had found the words ‘Jesus Nazarene’ on the cloth, while two years later Italian government researchers claimed the image of a man had been caused by a supernatural ‘flash of light’.
But carbon tests carried out in Oxford in 1988 firmly dated the material to 1260-1390.(



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The Turin Shroud is a fake… and it’s one of 40: Historian claims linen cloths were produced 1,300 years after crucifixionBy Matthew Kalman
PUBLISHED: 10:29 EST, 10 June 2012 | UPDATED: 02:39 EST, 11 June 2012
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Not only is the Turin Shroud probably a medieval fake but it is just one of an astonishing 40 so-called burial cloths of Jesus, according to an eminent church historian.
Antonio Lombatti said the false shrouds circulated in the Middle Ages, but most of them were later destroyed.
He said the Turin Shroud itself – showing an image of a bearded man and venerated for centuries as Christ’s burial cloth – appears to have originated in Turkey some 1,300 years after the Crucifixion.
The Turin Shroud was believed to have covered Jesus, but a leading Church historian says it is one of many produced over a thousand years after his death
Lombatti, of the Università Popolare in Parma, Italy, cited work by a 19th century French historian who had studied surviving medieval documents. ‘The Turin Shroud is only one of the many burial cloths which were circulating in the Christian world during the Middle Ages. There were at least 40,’ said Lombatti.
‘Most of them were destroyed during the French Revolution. Some had images, others had blood-like stains, and others were completely white.’
The Turin Shroud is a linen cloth, about 14ft by 4ft, bearing a front and back view of the image of a bearded, naked man who appears to have been stabbed or tortured. Ever since the detail on the cloth was revealed by negative photography in the late 19th century it has attracted thousands of pilgrims to the Cathedral of St John the Baptist in Turin.
In a research paper to be published this month in the scholarly journal Studi Medievali, Lombatti says the shroud was most likely given to French knight Geoffroy de Charny as a memento from a crusade to Smyrna, Turkey, in 1346. The de Charny family are the first recorded owners of the shroud.
The image has bewitched believers and sceptics alike since the negative image, right, was revealed in the late 19th century
Lombatti found that Geoffroy was unable to join a pilgrimage to Jerusalem after liberating Smyrna, so he was given the shroud as a symbol of his participation in the crusade to Turkey.
The Catholic Church has never officially commented on the shroud’s authenticity, but has made samples available to scientists for testing.
In 2009 a Vatican researcher said she had found the words ‘Jesus Nazarene’ on the cloth, while two years later Italian government researchers claimed the image of a man had been caused by a supernatural ‘flash of light’.
But carbon tests carried out in Oxford in 1988 firmly dated the material to 1260-1390.(



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Sorry I forgot to log in so it posted as an ananomys cowarad. This article was not written by, nor it does not belong to me.
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Its a juggernaut only catholics believe in.
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duuuuuuhhhh

it's been fake for years! this ain't breaking news
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MAJOR FAIL...


Timeline of photography technology

The first photograph of a scene, by Niépce, 1826[1]


First photograph including a person, by Daguerre, 1838 or 1839

First color image, Maxwell, 1861

An 1877 color photo by Louis Ducos du Hauron, a French pioneer of color photography. The overlapping yellow, cyan, and red subtractive color elements can clearly be seen.

1835 – William Fox Talbot creates his own photography process.

1839 – Louis Daguerre patents the daguerreotype.
1839 – William Fox Talbot invented the positive / negative process widely used in modern photography. He refers to this as photogenic drawing.
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The Shroud of Turin - Evidence it is authentic



"If the shroud had been produced between 1260 and 1390 AD, as indicated by the radiocarbon analyses, lignin should be easy to detect.

A linen produced in 1260 AD would have retained about 37% of its vanillin in 1978...


The Holland cloth, and all other medieval linens gave the test [i.e. tested positive] for vanillin wherever lignin could be observed on growth nodes. The disappearance of all traces of vanillin from the lignin in the shroud indicates a much older age than the radiocarbon laboratories reported."

The blood on the Shroud is real, human male blood of the type AB (typed by Dr. Baima Ballone in Turin and confirmed in the U.S.). This blood type is rare (3.2% of the world population, according to Dr. Leoncio Garza-Valdes of the University of Texas Health Science Center), and is found mostly in the Middle East, with the highest percentage being in northern Palestine.


Blood chemist Dr. Alan Adler (Univ. of Western Connecticut) and the late Dr. John Heller (New England Institute of Medicine) found a high concentration of the pigment bilirubin, consistent with someone dying under great stress or trauma and making the color more red than normal ancient blood. Drs. Victor and Nancy Tryon of the University of Texas Health Science Center found X & Y chromosomes representing male blood and "degraded DNA" (approximately 700 base pairs) "consistent with the supposition of ancient blood."
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The Shroud of Turin - Evidence it is authentic



"If the shroud had been produced between 1260 and 1390 AD, as indicated by the radiocarbon analyses, lignin should be easy to detect.

A linen produced in 1260 AD would have retained about 37% of its vanillin in 1978...


The Holland cloth, and all other medieval linens gave the test [i.e. tested positive] for vanillin wherever lignin could be observed on growth nodes. The disappearance of all traces of vanillin from the lignin in the shroud indicates a much older age than the radiocarbon laboratories reported."

The blood on the Shroud is real, human male blood of the type AB (typed by Dr. Baima Ballone in Turin and confirmed in the U.S.). This blood type is rare (3.2% of the world population, according to Dr. Leoncio Garza-Valdes of the University of Texas Health Science Center), and is found mostly in the Middle East, with the highest percentage being in northern Palestine.


Blood chemist Dr. Alan Adler (Univ. of Western Connecticut) and the late Dr. John Heller (New England Institute of Medicine) found a high concentration of the pigment bilirubin, consistent with someone dying under great stress or trauma and making the color more red than normal ancient blood. Drs. Victor and Nancy Tryon of the University of Texas Health Science Center found X & Y chromosomes representing male blood and "degraded DNA" (approximately 700 base pairs) "consistent with the supposition of ancient blood."
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i'm not saying that its fake, i believe that its real. I'm just thought that this was an interesting article
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After reading several articles on Antonio Lombatti's conclusion on the Shroud Of Turin. I'd like to know where all the other cloths (fake Shrouds) are. According to him at least 39 more exist. Why is this the only shroud we're talking about. And where is the Scientific evidence to back up his conclusion.
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Well gee, If G_d is a man-made hoax and Jesus is a man-made hoax......Then by fuck the Shroud sure is too.



Wake da fuck up and free yourselves.....G_d didn't create man, Man created G_d.
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some pretty compelling scientific evidence (rather than historical opinion) says otherwise:

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In the Bible it tells us that Jesus beard was pulled off, the person on the shroud has a beard.
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This actually backs up the alternate theory that it is the shorud of Jacques de Molay - the Templar leader killed by the Pope on the urging of the Ethiopian Negusta Negast (King of Kings)
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I always find it amusing that those who claim the Shroud is a fake never have any scientific evidence to back up their claim aside from the carbon dating results which have been totally debunked (The results were correct, but the piece they dated was part of a medieval repair job.)

"New studies conducted between 2001 and 2008 demonstrate that what was tested was chemically different than the rest of the cloth. Splices and the presence of dyestuff and cotton fibers suggest that the carbon 14 samples were taken from a medieval repair patch to the cloth. Furthermore, recent analysis of Lignin Decomposition Kinetics shows that the cloth is at least twice as old as the carbon 14 estimates. The results of these studies are reported in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Thermochimica Acta in a paper by the late Raymond N. Rogers, a Fellow of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, University of California"

However, those who believe that the Shroud is authentic rely mainly on scientific evidence to back up their beliefs.

Go figure.
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This actually backs up the alternate theory that it is the shorud of Jacques de Molay - the Templar leader killed by the Pope on the urging of the Ethiopian Negusta Negast (King of Kings)
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The image on the Turin Shroud shows this:::

"My arms they will say are too long and they will question this. Yet they fail to understand the torture My Body had to endure during My Crucifixion. My arms were pulled out of their sockets during My Crucifixion and, as such, the image on the Turin Shroud shows this."

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