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Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/13/2012 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you and I and the 9 billion on this planet and the rest of the universe, ONE BEING with one perspective??????? Quoting: Unit3 Yes. That's right. Do you realize that you are inventing me? That you are talking to your self? I've had that thought...however, you seem real to me. Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Last Edited by ERE3 on 11/13/2012 05:26 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States 11/13/2012 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Quoting: Unit3 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. |
X Won User ID: 1591701 United States 11/13/2012 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My dreams are completely off the chain the last few days. Reality is becoming so blurred...so surreal...it's palpable. Constant Deja Vu. People are saying and doing exactly what I'm thinking or have thought--and I mean totally off-the-wall stuff. "Ukeleles...not even wanting to know how to play one, just sit on a porch and strum it and be happy." It's eerie (in an awesome way). Thanks two every one hear. Sharing the dream. See you!! |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/13/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Quoting: Unit3 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. I understand there is no inside/outside, but same thing as before...it still seems real. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Jesse Sovoda User ID: 11481360 United States 11/13/2012 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Quoting: Unit3 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. I understand there is no inside/outside, but same thing as before...it still seems real. Why? Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
CatCarel User ID: 23708875 United States 11/13/2012 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Quoting: Unit3 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. I blew out a lightbulb yesterday! It was one of the recessed lights in the kitchen. Pretty spectacular flash of blue in the middle of the night! I've also noticed my electronics needing to be charged all the time, rather than only at night. Cat |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/13/2012 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Quoting: Unit3 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. I understand there is no inside/outside, but same thing as before...it still seems real. Why? Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Jesse Sovoda User ID: 11481360 United States 11/13/2012 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. I understand there is no inside/outside, but same thing as before...it still seems real. Why? Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. If you are all that you perceive and you only perceive yourself, what is loneliness? Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
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Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/13/2012 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Unit3 I understand there is no inside/outside, but same thing as before...it still seems real. Why? Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. If you are all that you perceive and you only perceive yourself, what is loneliness? A perception. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/13/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. Quoting: Unit3 Unit3, we're here for you. Many of us have been on these "chaol" threads for years now. We're not going anywhere. Your enthusiasm is a breath of fresh air. We are as real as you are. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
CatCarel User ID: 23708875 United States 11/13/2012 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. Quoting: Unit3 Unit3, we're here for you. Many of us have been on these "chaol" threads for years now. We're not going anywhere. Your enthusiasm is a breath of fresh air. We are as real as you are. Cat |
Jesse Sovoda User ID: 11481360 United States 11/14/2012 06:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. If you are all that you perceive and you only perceive yourself, what is loneliness? A perception. A perception of yourself, like everything else. I was looking to get to the redundant point that loneliness is irrelevant because we're always "alone" perceiving shattered illusions of separation from nothing. What if you are the only player character in your game? What if the "others" are just procedurally generated non-player characters rendered within your perspective via the Genius? Linus has a blanket that provides him security, comfort and stability. If it's taken away, he believes he is vulnerable, uncomfortable and unstable. Yet, it's "just" a blanket... Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/14/2012 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Unit3 Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. If you are all that you perceive and you only perceive yourself, what is loneliness? A perception. A perception of yourself, like everything else. I was looking to get to the redundant point that loneliness is irrelevant because we're always "alone" perceiving shattered illusions of separation from nothing. What if you are the only player character in your game? What if the "others" are just procedurally generated non-player characters rendered within your perspective via the Genius? Linus has a blanket that provides him security, comfort and stability. If it's taken away, he believes he is vulnerable, uncomfortable and unstable. Yet, it's "just" a blanket... Thank you. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/14/2012 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Probably because I need it to be real to keep from feeling any more lonely than I already do. Quoting: Unit3 Unit3, we're here for you. Many of us have been on these "chaol" threads for years now. We're not going anywhere. Your enthusiasm is a breath of fresh air. We are as real as you are. These Chaol threads and the community within them is as a Fountain of Water. So your description of a breath of fresh air makes me happy. Water and fresh air.....lovely indeed! Last Edited by ERE3 on 11/14/2012 06:14 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/14/2012 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edit: On the other hand, I also notice things that happen simultaneously when I have realizations. And these things that happen seem outside of myself. Hope that makes sense. Quoting: Unit3 Yes. Of course it does. Although there is no inside/outside. Okay. Here I am, returning back to a regular, run-of-the-mill human, with a story. I hope that I am not displaying an online tantrum this afternoon, but I feel a lot of mental agitation today. Too many strands of too much information trying to put themselves into something I can comprehend. So, my body is moving me around my house as a means to release some energy. I was in the kitchen, when there was a long flash of light. My parakeet even fluttered around in surprise. I thought maybe it was lightning, but the skies are clear. As it turns out, a light bulb blew out in my kitchen, right behind where I was standing. I really think it was a direct result of this jagged energy that I'm throwing off. These regular, run-of-the-mill stories are needed at times. Otherwise, we demand perfection of ourselves. So what if an online tantrum happens. I can relate to it. Finding beauty in imperfections is a great gift. Nothing wrong with them, they add to the landscape of the heart/mind. Btw, I've put out computers at businesses, swimming pool lights and a transformer once, LOL! "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/14/2012 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Big things were accomplished in this thread, its a shame it doesn't get more attention than it does. Quoting: LeKing Anyone who doubts Chaol only has to read this thread paying attention, no one else came and taught how to do such things, the results speak for themselves, you just have to be willing to lower your guard and experiment a little. I am just beginning to see the value of this thread. Thank you. My focus will be here now. I'm going to the first page and try to read through, for once. Looking forward to the group project, LeKing! Last Edited by ERE3 on 11/14/2012 04:36 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/14/2012 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry to get so far off the subject matter of this thread, but I think that it is relative in a different way. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315 This is my understanding so far: Baal is representative of separation; of power over; of dominion over. Yahweh is representative of restrictive rules; of control. And yet, Thought/Thoth/Yahweh holds the ankh. Why don't we ask Chaol. Chaol? Last Edited by ERE3 on 11/14/2012 06:12 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Chaol (OP) User ID: 27806659 France 11/15/2012 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are gods? Quoting: Chaol Science becomes mythology in an other perspective. Are we not exploring physics by telling the story of the gods? Some express ideas in numbers, some in stories. But each is built from relationships. And cultures explore relationships in different ways. We wonder of the ancients wit but see their math as a religion or a mythology. This is the direction in which my inquiries are taking me. I am a little bit disgusted by much of what I find written about the gods, although I have run into one or two remarkable writers who seem to get it. I'll post some of that stuff later. Probably while you are absent and the thread will need some bumps. I figured this out quite awhile ago. I am walking around in my brain. It is my conjecture that the Egyptian Book of the Dead is a description of the parts and processes in the brain, and how they correspond to the "other" world, which, I am assuming, is the mind. The Duat, I think. I do not know how to ask this succinctly, without posting reams of background research. So, please allow me to ask this in hopes that you can give me a hint or a full explanation (ha! I know better than that!). Who or what does Baal represent? I was a little bit shook by your reference to Thoth as also being known as Yahweh. I know that these myths and figures are representative of other things -- of other forces -- and my head is on fire trying to reconcile some of these forces. Can you help, please? A very interesting question and even more interesting observations. If you had to explain how photons bounce around in a microscope while looking at butterfly clippings, in a story, how would you? The story makes it interesting and relevant. Thus, everyone could learn. You need only to know what the characters represent. A book about ornithology is boring for the greater portion of humanity. But write a song about it and it becomes interesting. Make up a story about it and it becomes more interesting. Eventually, the story takes over and the characters forgotten for who they are in real life. So here we are. If you were to illustrate the attraction and repulsion of one of Jupiter's moons in a story, how do you think you would do that? Would you give it traits that people could relate to? Perhaps Jupiter is jealous of Europa in the classical sense and keeps her close? (How jealous? He killed three of her sisters in a fit of jealous rage.) Of course, all about perspective ;) |
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LeKing User ID: 23456971 United Kingdom 11/16/2012 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Horus-on-the-Horizon reveals itself to you now. Quoting: Chaol It does this by revealing its true nature, as Horus of the Two Horizons; the rising and setting sun. For you, the rising sun has been the physicality of your world since the time the Egyptian 'sphinx' appears. For our next location we will explore the secrets of the waking world. The fire of the dream world, "Sekhmet", has a twin. It is symbolized as the protector of the physical world. You will know it as the Great Sphinx. The two representations are from an older, forgotten time'space. Much more 'ancient' than Egypt and both important values in physical perspective. The structure in Egypt is one of several physical structures whose complex represents physicality itself. It is here that we will meet. Inside of Sekhmet's twin in Egypt. The main hall of this structure is fairly deep underground and connects with most of the other structures around it. (It's really all one giant structure rather than what you see on the map or in pictures. Much of what is above-ground is a type of power source, however.) The main hall is about 50 feet high and 25 feet wide. The length is a bit difficult to describe (as it transcends the usual physicality) but just imagine that it's about 100 feet long with deeply unfocused light at the end. There are various inscriptions on the wall all the way up, with their original colors intact. Off to the side of this hall is a small room filled with books. There is light everywhere from various points on the walls. (The library may be dark at times, depending on how well you allow yourself to see what is there.) From now, you can meet me in this place. To get there, imagine Sekhmet inside of the main hall facing the length of the hall. It may help to imagine that you are Sekhmet. When you are in the hall feel free to walk around. (I describe it above as it's not the easiest place to get to. You will know you are there by the vividness of the experience.) We discuss the books on the shelves and the inscriptions on the walls. (You will be able to read most of the books, and the inscriptions are accessed by the sound of your thoughts. It is up to you to figure out how to reaching the higher ones.) There is a lot of knowledge here and understanding to be had. There is also a replica of the timeline of modern civilization (that is in what you call the Great Pyramid) that extends from a few thousand years in past to several hundred years in future. There is also a type of city with lagoons and other interesting features accessible from these chambers that we may explore at an other time (however, you are welcome to find it yourself if you're enterprising). We can meet there frequently, as you may need to revisit multiple times. Unfortunately you may not be able to do much unless I am there to 'hold the door open' for you (for this particular experience), but I will try to extend myself to everyone's perspective. If we meet together it would be in the library. I'm not sure that we can experience others in the main hall but it may be possible. Strange things happen in the main hall. (Though danger is irrelevant to all.) If you will, tell us here about what new understanding or experience you have had inside of 'the great sphinx'. (Note that I do not retell the name here, as it has great power in the physical world. But you are free to make up your own name for it.) Bump! And to everyone I haven't forgot about arranging the exercise, I am putting it together now. While reading Chaol's posts in the thread the one above really should of excited more people, perhaps now is the time? The part in bold is a future exercise, hopefully? Anyway, in a few hours time I will put the exercise here for everyone to get involved with over the next few nights. For anyone wondering The time zone will not matter. Time or space in the dream world are more flexible. It is entirely possible for someone from the 5th century to participate with us at the same time. Last Edited by LeKing on 11/16/2012 11:47 AM |
LeKing User ID: 23456971 United Kingdom 11/16/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi. Quoting: Chaol Time and space are more about perspective than something that exists without your perspective. You could say that you create time and space as a means to perceive. They (it) is an illusion. Without it, our experience would not be logical. (Then you would experience everything simultaneously.) So time and space allow value (or things, experiences) to be logically illustrated for us. See [link to ecsys.org] Time and space traveling are just shifts of perspective. The tools that we use to do it (walking, machines, mental tools, etc) make the experience logical for us. Hope this helps to clarify some. more bump |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States 11/16/2012 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LeKing. Did you just now insert this following sentence in the above quote? The two representations are from an older, forgotten time'space. Much more 'ancient' than Egypt and both important values in physical perspective. Quoting: Chaol I'm kidding. I have read the "meeting in the Great Hall" quote dozens of times. It is printed out and next to my bed where I have studied it literally dozens of times. I completely missed that one little sentence. It never registered with me. I have spent a lot of time on a side trip that has taken me to pre-Egypt. I thought I was making an educated statement when I wrote: I think it is because the apparent knowledge displayed by the Egyptians is a corruption of something introduced to them by an earlier culture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315 There are some really good references to pre-Egypt in different places. Michael Tsarion has done some fabulous research on this subject, which he published in several books, but most particularly in "The Irish Origins of Civilization". More on this later. I don't want to disrupt the thread right now by taking off in a different direction. |
Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 11/16/2012 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Horus-on-the-Horizon reveals itself to you now. Quoting: Chaol It does this by revealing its true nature, as Horus of the Two Horizons; the rising and setting sun. For you, the rising sun has been the physicality of your world since the time the Egyptian 'sphinx' appears. For our next location we will explore the secrets of the waking world. The fire of the dream world, "Sekhmet", has a twin. It is symbolized as the protector of the physical world. You will know it as the Great Sphinx. The two representations are from an older, forgotten time'space. Much more 'ancient' than Egypt and both important values in physical perspective. The structure in Egypt is one of several physical structures whose complex represents physicality itself. It is here that we will meet. Inside of Sekhmet's twin in Egypt. The main hall of this structure is fairly deep underground and connects with most of the other structures around it. (It's really all one giant structure rather than what you see on the map or in pictures. Much of what is above-ground is a type of power source, however.) The main hall is about 50 feet high and 25 feet wide. The length is a bit difficult to describe (as it transcends the usual physicality) but just imagine that it's about 100 feet long with deeply unfocused light at the end. There are various inscriptions on the wall all the way up, with their original colors intact. Off to the side of this hall is a small room filled with books. There is light everywhere from various points on the walls. (The library may be dark at times, depending on how well you allow yourself to see what is there.) From now, you can meet me in this place. To get there, imagine Sekhmet inside of the main hall facing the length of the hall. It may help to imagine that you are Sekhmet. When you are in the hall feel free to walk around. (I describe it above as it's not the easiest place to get to. You will know you are there by the vividness of the experience.) We discuss the books on the shelves and the inscriptions on the walls. (You will be able to read most of the books, and the inscriptions are accessed by the sound of your thoughts. It is up to you to figure out how to reaching the higher ones.) There is a lot of knowledge here and understanding to be had. There is also a replica of the timeline of modern civilization (that is in what you call the Great Pyramid) that extends from a few thousand years in past to several hundred years in future. There is also a type of city with lagoons and other interesting features accessible from these chambers that we may explore at an other time (however, you are welcome to find it yourself if you're enterprising). We can meet there frequently, as you may need to revisit multiple times. Unfortunately you may not be able to do much unless I am there to 'hold the door open' for you (for this particular experience), but I will try to extend myself to everyone's perspective. If we meet together it would be in the library. I'm not sure that we can experience others in the main hall but it may be possible. Strange things happen in the main hall. (Though danger is irrelevant to all.) If you will, tell us here about what new understanding or experience you have had inside of 'the great sphinx'. (Note that I do not retell the name here, as it has great power in the physical world. But you are free to make up your own name for it.) Bump! And to everyone I haven't forgot about arranging the exercise, I am putting it together now. While reading Chaol's posts in the thread the one above really should of excited more people, perhaps now is the time? The part in bold is a future exercise, hopefully? Anyway, in a few hours time I will put the exercise here for everyone to get involved with over the next few nights. For anyone wondering The time zone will not matter. Time or space in the dream world are more flexible. It is entirely possible for someone from the 5th century to participate with us at the same time. I'm in. And thank you! xo "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |