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Watching YOU: Orwells Darkest Dreams have FINALLY been REALIZED...and no one cares.

 
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Two, count em, TWO articles by the mainstream press, who have caught on only TOO LATE to what people have been warning about BEFORE 9/11 - the police state is here. Joe Average American could care less.

Those who would trade liberty for security...blah blah blah...you know how it goes.

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

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WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period.

“This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,” says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.

“This is incredible,” adds group member Rich Hersh. “It's an example of paranoia by our government,” he says. “We're not doing anything illegal.”

The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups.

“I think Americans should be concerned that the military, in fact, has reached too far,” says NBC News military analyst Bill Arkin.


And from the Washington Post:
The FBI's Secret Scrutiny
In Hunt for Terrorists, Bureau Examines Records of Ordinary Americans

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 6, 2005; Page A01

The FBI came calling in Windsor, Conn., this summer with a document marked for delivery by hand. On Matianuk Avenue, across from the tennis courts, two special agents found their man. They gave George Christian the letter, which warned him to tell no one, ever, what it said.

Under the shield and stars of the FBI crest, the letter directed Christian to surrender "all subscriber information, billing information and access logs of any person" who used a specific computer at a library branch some distance away. Christian, who manages digital records for three dozen Connecticut libraries, said in an affidavit that he configures his system for privacy. But the vendors of the software he operates said their databases can reveal the Web sites that visitors browse, the e-mail accounts they open and the books they borrow.

FROM THE POST
Report on FBI Tool Is Disputed
The Justice Department has criticized as misleading and inaccurate a Washington Post report about the FBI's expanded power to collect the private records of ordinary Americans while conducting terrorism and espionage investigations.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION
Patriot Act Primer
The USA PATRIOT Act, approved overwhelmingly by Congress after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, greatly expanded the government's power to monitor, search, detain or deport suspects in terrorism-related investigations.
PATRIOT ACT�LETTERS

Christian refused to hand over those records, and his employer, Library Connection Inc., filed suit for the right to protest the FBI demand in public. The Washington Post established their identities -- still under seal in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit -- by comparing unsealed portions of the file with public records and information gleaned from people who had no knowledge of the FBI demand.

The Connecticut case affords a rare glimpse of an exponentially growing practice of domestic surveillance under the USA Patriot Act, which marked its fourth anniversary on Oct. 26. "National security letters," created in the 1970s for espionage and terrorism investigations, originated as narrow exceptions in consumer privacy law, enabling the FBI to review in secret the customer records of suspected foreign agents. The Patriot Act, and Bush administration guidelines for its use, transformed those letters by permitting clandestine scrutiny of U.S. residents and visitors who are not alleged to be terrorists or spies.
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So the lesson is, in the battle to combat alleged Muslim militants who "hate freedom", we slowly turn our country into a version of the Taliban, where thought and expression are subject to government scrutiny...by people who seem to "hate freedom".
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I think it's not a matter of caring but of taking responsibility...

When the US public acknowledge these facts they'll have to acknowledge the failure of the 'American Way of Life'...that'll mean that they'll be forced to apologize to the rest of the world...and somehow I just don't see that happening ever!!!
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the people who hate freedom seem to be growing daily
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I Care.

I would like for this charade to end now.

I can, indeed tell a Saint from a Tyrant.

So can growing numbers.

Peace.
David.
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Sadam was a tyrant.
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Don't worry be happy.
Everything is under control.
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"“We're not doing anything illegal.”

funny that...neither were the marijuana clubs that were busted yesterday...the clubs, legalized by the state...consistantly harrassed by the gov't...as are the patients who "are not doing anything illegal" as in california it medical marijuana is legal. do people care?

seems it begins real simply...target a group...hit and arrest...wait a while for any flack...no flack...target a group...hit and arrest...wait for flack...you get the picture.

when is it all going to be "enough"? when it simply effects you personally?

heard last week (some late night news thing) that the USA will soon look like Israel with it's soldiers on every street corner...the person (sorry, don't remember who) said that Americans will get used to it.

he was probably right...Americans seem to get used to a lot...easily...in time.
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We don't need no stinking freedoms. We have been domesticated for corporate consumption.

Consume,...or perish.



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I'm sure all of the patrons of the drug bar were extremely upstanding citizens.
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Drugs are illegal.

SO FAR, political/social gatherings are NOT.

BIG DIFFERENCE & DUMB ANALOGY there 16550.
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it wasn't an analogy. I was just being prejudice.

I would have thought you'd have learned that in school.
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The federal government has no jurisdiction over drug use. The only power they have is concerning interstate trafficking.

If the drugs stay in the state then the feds can't legally do squat.
That doesnt mean that they dont, and it doesnt mean that local or state courts wont cave into pressure from the feds.

What puzzles me the most is why the states dont tell the feds to shove it?

The only thing that the fed can hold over the states is highway funding. These funds can be raised easily enough by the sale and taxation of legally sold pot.

If I were governor of any state, I would pardon everyone in prision for pot related 'crimes' and inform the police that if they arrest anyone in the future the money spent to try and convict them will be futile. That person would get a pardon the next day.

The Fed was created to serve the states and was only brought into being to help settle disputes between the states.

When did we make the turn that has brought us to the point where we serve the Fed and not the Fed serves us?
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I heard about the Lake Worth story yesterday on Countdown (w/ Keith Olbermann). This story goes quite well with the female senior citizen (68) who was tazed FIVE TIMES for allegedly resisting arrest.

Those who still support Bush and (whether to his knowledge or not) the fast-track speedway he's using to lead the US into economic failure and total police state with the help of Big Brother keeping tabs in our private lives must be very naive and ignorant indeed. NO ONE of any ethical sanity would condone these actions.

Namaste
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You can support President Bush and hate the fact that an old lady got tazed.


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"You can support President Bush..."

Only if one chooses to remain ignorant of reality.





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Who's reality?
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zacksavage,
i would sooner perish, me thinks.


jeffro,
you said: "When did we make the turn that has brought us to the point where we serve the Fed and not the Fed serves us?"

i dunno...but we did make that turn and i'm not sure...as with many things...we can ever un-make the turn??
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The reality being created by the fascists,....terror, bird flu, fear, killing,...torture, lying,...stealing,...corruption,...etc,etc,etc.

Hi sali!! Love you hugs



Z
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there are states (7 for sure and possibly more on the way) that have medical marijuana legalized in their state.

the feds have gone after the buyers clubs in california several times during the past few years. the last time, the local police did not participate in the arrests or bust...this time, they did.

did you know that even in states where marijuana is not legal...patients are harrassed due to narcotic need? there are many who have had their patient records seized by the DEA...feds...to where doctors were unable to do anything for the patients due to lack of medical records...so it's not just drugs that are illegal...but drugs that are legal also.
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hiya zacksavage.
love you also...your mind is sharp and your ideals are loving.

do take this seriously...more are being watched by the feds than you'd like to think.
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Oh, I do sali,...but what kind of man would I be if I allowed myself to be humbled by the enemy?

Have a great day! Gotta fly.


2212- fascists occupy both parties. Grab a clue.

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"The reality being created by the fascists,....terror, bird flu, fear, killing,...torture, lying,...stealing,...corruption,...etc,etc,etc."

Well in my reality, Terror is coming from many places including the left wing marxists. Bird flu was brought by God/nature. Murder and torture is done by many but very unlikley to be condoned by anyone. (Sadam condoned putting children into chippers)

All that you post was happeing before the Bush admin, and will continue after the Bush admin. This is the way our political system has become and the way americans have allowed it. If you think that GWB has created this you are either in denial or deluded.
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Psychotic Erotic,
all drugs are not illegal and not all political/social gatherings are legal.

funny, that, eh?

you see...narcotics given by a doctor are legal (though deadly)...yet pot grown privately (and not deadly) is illegal...funny, that, eh?

also...take cindy sheenan for a bit...although there are so many all over that fight for things in public...and all are carefully watched...informers sent into groups so the FBI can gain iformation...such as with the marches/demonstrations against the WTO...each person is watched, followed...no doubt.
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2212,
you said: "This is the way our political system has become and the way americans have allowed it. If you think that GWB has created this you are either in denial or deluded."

hmmmm. how has this been the way our political system has become if bush had nothing to do with it? how many executive orders has he done? how much has he ordered kept secret? who's idea was the patriot act? the second patriot act? the third? who has put America trillions in the hole in a short couple years?? bush.

i do agree that some way...USA citizens have allowed it...although i know many who haven't liked it becoming this way...
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take care zacksavage.
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"hmmmm. how has this been the way our political system has become if bush had nothing to do with it? how many executive orders has he done? how much has he ordered kept secret? who's idea was the patriot act? the second patriot act? the third? who has put America trillions in the hole in a short couple years?? bush. "

Bush has enacted 152 executive orders. 312 short of Clintons list.

He has given 32 Secret orders of which 2 had directly or indirectly affect GLP.

Patriot act was not Bush's idea and in fact the original version was put forth before congress under the clinton administration.

Congress made changes to the patriot act and passed it. No one in congress is technically a member of his administration as they are all put into office by us.

Trillions in the hole huh? I guess he must have started with a clean slate. No debt for the US when Clinton left office....Oh yeah, that recession that clinton left us in during his last 6 months of office cost the US over 600 billion dollars in those six months.

Like I said, Who's reality are you looking at?
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Followers,the jaded,the frightened,rebels,and dead rebels.Are jaded Americans part of the masterplan?
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I care, but I'm too apathetic to do anything about it.

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2212,
you said: "Bush has enacted 152 executive orders. 312 short of Clintons list."
have you read them all?

you said: "He has given 32 Secret orders of which 2 had directly or indirectly affect GLP."
imho...none should affect GLP but that's mho.

you said: "Patriot act was not Bush's idea and in fact the original version was put forth before congress under the clinton administration."

but was put into force during bush's presidency...correct?

"Congress made changes to the patriot act and passed it. No one in congress is technically a member of his administration as they are all put into office by us."

most in congress did not even read it and have admitted as much...all bills passed have to go to whom to be passed or vito'd?

you said: "Trillions in the hole huh? I guess he must have started with a clean slate. No debt for the US when Clinton left office....Oh yeah, that recession that clinton left us in during his last 6 months of office cost the US over 600 billion dollars in those six months."

silly person...this thread is not about cliniton in the least...why do right wing repubs always bring clinton into things as though he is to blame for all that's going on? if this were logical...then bush number one was at fault for all that clinton was left with?? either way...bush the second has outdone clinton...other than blowjobs i suppose...but can't be sure there either.


you said: "Like I said, Who's reality are you looking at?"

i really try to see all sides...there's the repblican side...the democrat side...the socialist side...the liberal side...the constitutional side...etc...

i really do try not to put blame where it doesn't belong. oh yeah...you know what would work better for your arguement than clinton having a slight recession? his dealing with the steel!! now that was a story!





GLP