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AMERICA was Founded on FREEDOM!

 
Anonymous Coward
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12/14/2005 07:56 PM
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You bloody Kiwis with your rugby teams...

Have you guys seen a tv show called 7 periods with Mr Gormsley?

Gee that is a brilliant TV show.

I would recommend it to anyone.

There are some real messages in there about real freedom and what it means.
Sophia

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12/14/2005 07:58 PM
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7 periods???


I could be so lucky!
Anonymous Coward
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12/14/2005 07:59 PM
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A public acknowledgement of past wrongs and a sincere apology to those still living with the consequences, is without doubt an honourable thing to do.

The Maoris graciousness in accepting and thus agreeing to work towards forgiveness needed to and move forward, is to be appauded.

Had you shown the same grace in acknowledging the gross insult you offered to these people with your comment rather than offer your petulant response, I'm sure I would have had some respect for you.

Are you brave enough to answer the question I posed?
asgardhr  (OP)

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12/14/2005 07:59 PM
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>>> Marxist <<<

Sinanju - I am a Viking, not a Marxist (whatever that is).
Sinanju nli
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12/14/2005 08:04 PM
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"Shinaju or whatever ya name is you are a moron."

It's Sinanju.. learn to read.

"everyone knows Kiwis fuck sheep not goats."

Either way.

"If the rest of your arguements have the same regard for accuracy, then you are screwed."

At least I am not a sheep though.

"I don't live in America and I am as free as you."

If you say so.. my momma told me to never argue with a crazy person.. at a distance people might not be able to tell us apart.

"I do what I choose when I choose based on what I decide."

Good for you.

"Despite our wanna be fascist govt I still live free."

Nothing worse than a wannabe.. tell them to try harder.

"You either decide to be free or you decide to be the citizen of a state run entity, one that is not the land you live on."

I wonder if Tookie Williams got to makehis choice the other evening?

"Freedom doesn't come from a piece of paper or anything else, it comes from you choosing your actions."

Never said it did.. how is the strawman business?

"Even people who are "not free" are simply choosing to live that way."

Like Tookie Williams? I will forward this post to all the death row inmates.

"As for Marxism, well if he said the world was divided into the power of labour and the power of capital then I am on the side of labour any day."

Ah! Always rooting for the underdog? bad choice but it does make you feel good when your side wins.. Let me know when that happens!


"If that is evil communism, fine I will make a similar candy arsed generalisation and say that all capital is the equivalent of one giant psychic vampire sucking the energy and products of people that actually work so the fat arsed rich muthas that run these businesses can get fatter and do less hard work."

You make no sense.. I recommend professional help..

"There you go one shit generalisation for another."

Did you mean to type "after" instead of "for" because that is the only way your post makes sense.
Sophia

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12/14/2005 08:04 PM
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I totally got your point in your question, that resulted in me rephrasing my comment for clarity.

I apologise for causing you or any maori offense.

Whether you choose to respect me , or not, is entirely in your hands.

hugs
Sinanju nli
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12/14/2005 08:05 PM
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"Sinanju - I am a Viking, not a Marxist (whatever that is)."

You can call a pig a princess but I still am not taking it to the royal ball.

Call yourself what you want.. If it smells like a marxist and acts like a marxist and looks like a marxist.. then chances are it is a marxist.

Even Karl Marx himself didn't want to be called one..

"I am not a Marxist." -Karl Marx.
Anonymous Coward
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12/14/2005 08:14 PM
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Sophia....

I can only give what you have earned...

RESPECT coming your way!

hf
Sophia

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12/14/2005 08:22 PM
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hugs
David Jedi Knight

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12/14/2005 08:26 PM
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Well, Much Love to everyone here.

And despite what some say, there are more than two political possibilities.

Fascism cares not what government it takes over.

It is a parasite, and it has been feeding on our World for a long, long time now.

Peace.
David.
David Jedi Knight

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12/14/2005 08:27 PM
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Fascism can be dressed as a Communist, or a Neocon, or a Nazi, or whatever.

But the leaders always end up looking like tyrants.

Because that is what they are.

Peace.
David.
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12/14/2005 08:27 PM
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Shianju, sorry.

I reckon I have dyslexia actually, my olds taught me to read when I was really young, but if am lazy and don't do it properly I screw things up like your name. Sorry.

"Like Tookie Williams? I will forward this post to all the death row inmates."

When you do forward the post, you should forward that line from the "The Guns of Brixton."

You know that when one:

"When the law break in how you gonna go, with your hand on your gun or waiting on death row."

-->If you say so.. my momma told me to never argue with a crazy person.. at a distance people might not be able to tell us apart.

Good advice, never argue with us psychos. We snap.

-->Ah! Always rooting for the underdog? bad choice but it does make you feel good when your side wins.. Let me know when that happens!


Its not about the underdog, its about honour and dignity.

About doing stuff or being a spongehead.

If you thing being a bloodsucking boss is the winning side then you are stuck in that game about sides. learn to live your life perhaps.

-->"If that is evil communism, fine I will make a similar candy arsed generalisation and say that all capital is the equivalent of one giant psychic vampire sucking the energy and products of people that actually work so the fat arsed rich muthas that run these businesses can get fatter and do less hard work."

You make no sense.. I recommend professional help..

"There you go one shit generalisation for another."

Did you mean to type "after" instead of "for" because that is the only way your post makes sense.

I was ghonna swap my shit generalisation about capital for this:

"I would rather have a single sheet of ideas than be hoodwinked into following the communist manifesto."

Learn to comprehend dinglebrain.
Freyja

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12/14/2005 08:29 PM
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dingle brain


lmao
Texas Uncensored

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12/14/2005 08:33 PM
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The Constitution of the United States is the document that gave the great foundation aspired to and copied in so many countries around the world. It was based in part on the Greek model of democracy, and philosophy.
This foundation, written by a few of my direct ancestors, as was the Declaration of Independence, set out our basic freedoms, and form of government, showing the great foresight of these writers of our principles and ideals.
In itself, as a pure document, it still addresses most of the issues we cope with today. It was written with the flexibility of changing with our society, while continueing to protect our values, our principles, and our ideals, as a people.

This has not changed. We are a great, fair, just, tolerant, humanitarian, spiritual, and philanthropic people of varied beliefs, religions, races, and immigrants.

What has changed is the ability of those who are currupt to abuse our voting, our ability to freely choose, and have the Presidential Team , and the Congress we choose, hold office, and do the will of the people.
What has changed is the ability of these corrupt imposters in the White House, and Congress, to control the military without the consent, or will of the people by using false intelligence, and endangering those who have the courage to openly disagree.
What has changed is the ability of these imposters, the Bush administration , to drain every facet of our economy, and flaunt their debt and theft of our childrens' heritage, in our faces.

These faces were looking at a 400 million dollar surplus with Clinton/Gore, remember?

OUR FOUNDATION IS STRONG >
Those of us who live in a reality based world have awakened the media and the Senate, Congress, and Judicial system to the corruption, and investigations and indictments are happening. The web they did weave is being unraveled in front of their very faces, and they are too arrogant to believe it.

OUR FOUNDATION IS STRONG !
OUR CONSTITUTION IS NOW WORKING AGAINST THOSE WHO SOUGHT TO CORRUPT IT !
Sinanju nli
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12/14/2005 08:40 PM
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"Shianju, sorry."

>>>>Yes, I know you are.. but you should at least apoligise for continual mispelling of my name...

"I reckon I have dyslexia actually, my olds taught me to read when I was really young, but if am lazy and don't do it properly I screw things up like your name. Sorry."

>>>.Ah! the apology.. disregard that lst statement.. and to help you I recommend "Hooked on Phonics". It worked for other retards and it should work for you at least a little bit.

"Like Tookie Williams? I will forward this post to all the death row inmates."

When you do forward the post, you should forward that line from the "The Guns of Brixton."

You know that when one:

"When the law break in how you gonna go, with your hand on your gun or waiting on death row."

>>>> Huh? Take you meds, kid.

-->If you say so.. my momma told me to never argue with a crazy person.. at a distance people might not be able to tell us apart.

Good advice, never argue with us psychos. We snap.

>>>Snap away. You don't scare me..


-->Ah! Always rooting for the underdog? bad choice but it does make you feel good when your side wins.. Let me know when that happens!


"Its not about the underdog, its about honour and dignity."

>>>.Without capitol, your precious workers would have no honour OR dignity. Was there much of that during the Great Depression? Didn't think so.

"About doing stuff or being a spongehead.If you thing being a bloodsucking boss is the winning side then you are stuck in that game about sides. learn to live your life perhaps."

>>>>>I repeat, without the "bloodsucking boss" there would be no job and useful idiots like yourself would starve.


As for my sentence that you quoted...

"I would rather have a single sheet of ideas than be hoodwinked into following the communist manifesto."

If you cannot understand it, then you do not need to be in adult conversation, marxist.

"Learn to comprehend dinglebrain."

I comprehend well. And dinglebrain? Run out of names, marxist? You should just choose one and learn to apply it creatively.
David Jedi Knight

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12/14/2005 08:41 PM
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Bravo, TU.

Your posts reveal the depth of your knowledge and insight.

Great job spreading the Truth.

Peace.
David.
Sophia

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12/14/2005 08:42 PM
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I wonder why the writers of the constitution, given they were fair and honest and stuff accepted and endorsed the unenfranchisement of so much of society?
Black Jim

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12/14/2005 08:48 PM
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Founded? More like stolen from the Native Americans,and start this land of freedom they did, while their African American slaves toiled with all the Founding Father's hard labor.
Freyja

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12/14/2005 08:49 PM
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David,

wasn't there a post on one of your threads that spoke of the founding fathers smoking the pipe while writing the constitution?

or was i dreaming?
Sinanju nli
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12/14/2005 08:49 PM
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"I wonder why the writers of the constitution, given they were fair and honest and stuff accepted and endorsed the unenfranchisement of so much of society?"

They didn't want mental midgets, deviants, and fuckups messing about with the political process.

They were right, we should seriously limit the number of people who can vote. We are not a direct democracy and nowhere is anyone granted the right to vote.
SInanju nli
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12/14/2005 08:50 PM
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"Founded? More like stolen from the Native Americans,and start this land of freedom they did, while their African American slaves toiled with all the Founding Father's hard labor."

Yeah, it was great! It's a shame we can't go back to it...

What say you, jim? Wanna pick some cotton?
Sophia

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12/14/2005 08:50 PM
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-They didn't want mental midgets, deviants, and fuckups messing about with the political process.-

Wow, they would feel like abject failures if they were alive today.

- we should seriously limit the number of people who can vote. -

Funny how you think YOU would be one permitted to vote. lmao
asgardhr  (OP)

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12/14/2005 08:51 PM
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>>>> You can call a pig a princess but I still am not taking it to the royal ball.

Call yourself what you want.. If it smells like a marxist and acts like a marxist and looks like a marxist.. then chances are it is a marxist.

Even Karl Marx himself didn't want to be called one..

"I am not a Marxist." -Karl Marx." <<<<



Sinanju - Okay, then I declare I am not a Viking. Therefore....

[And by-the-way, Vikings did smell good. It is a lie that they were filthy. The truth is that they were criticized for grooming too much, and the locals were afraid for their daughters!]
Anonymous Coward
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12/14/2005 08:52 PM
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we should all leave. We are as humans not sure where we came from now did we? But await, Mother Earth is taking care of that. The unwanted and ungratefull child will be offered for a greater good and heritage.


Elithe
asgardhr  (OP)

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12/14/2005 08:59 PM
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I appreciate your sentiment Texas Uncensored, however what I am talking about goes deeper than that. We are a race and nation of pillagers. Our precepts of 'freedom' are biased in many ways, particularly with regards to Nature. We - humans - each individually consume a tremendous amount of resources and likewise create an almost unthinkable amount of pollution, both in production and in disposal.

Moreover people are getting dumber by the day, even as they multiply, and as technology explodes.

Look at the consciousness that is parading across your screen and down your roads.
Sinanju nli
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12/14/2005 09:05 PM
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"-They didn't want mental midgets, deviants, and fuckups messing about with the political process.-

Wow, they would feel like abject failures if they were alive today.

>>> No, if they could come forward and see what we have become, they would have strictly limited the right to vote.

- we should seriously limit the number of people who can vote. -

"Funny how you think YOU would be one permitted to vote."

Are you saying I shouldn't? I never said you shouldn't.. in fact, I never gave MY criteria for voting rights.... In truth, I think you could pass the test.. but unlike you marxists, I can show civility to my opponent.. I don't always.. but I can.

And unlike you marxists, I am not two-faced about it.. you are.
Black Jim

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12/14/2005 09:07 PM
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Sure Sinanju, We can pick some cotton this saturday,opps I forgot thats your day of sabbath,what about Monday I'll bring my rifle in case I see a varmit.
David Jedi Knight

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12/14/2005 09:13 PM
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"cotton picking"...

Yes, I see.

Quite Civil.

Gag.
Sinanju nli
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12/14/2005 09:15 PM
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You don't know my race, David.
Texas Uncensored

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12/14/2005 09:16 PM
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Thanks, David. I appreciate it.

The founding fathers were indeed smoking an inspirational substance which they grew, used for many purposes , and sold. As it had always been as long as it has grown under God's sun.


Sophia, this society and its achievements, its problems, did not exist then. Certainly could not have been forseen. But the Constitution was flexible to give us the tools to address today's problems.

It is up to us, and those we elect, to get off our asses, put our energy & money where our mouths & keyboards are, & use the tools given to us in the Constitution, and fix the problems you/we see around us.
The Constitution didn't say this country would feed, cloth, and provide medical treatment, anyone.
It gives all the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

But, what a wonder that we as a people demanded, and got a system that does in fact, help many, and provides more than matching funds at retirement. You want more? Your want perfect?
Then work for it, change it, give to it. Pay higher taxes. Voluteer more.

The Indians may have been here a long time before the Mayflower, but they weren't the only ones here, and acheological evidence suggests they were far from the first. They were not native to this country any more than anyone else.
The founding settlers were not the ones who displaced indians. they infact, traded knowledge, and intermarried. The Indian royality was treated as such here, and in Europe. Pochahontas was married into the same family from which George Washington & Thomas Jefferson descended.

the Indans aliied also with the French Canadian Catholics as they journeyed south along the Mississippi down to Louisianna. They intermarried, and lived peacefully amongst each other.

Trouble began in force with a clash between later settlers traveling west, and hostile agressive Indians unaware that there had been , for the most part peace and alliance. It becomes a who fired the first arrow/shot from there.





GLP