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Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??

 
friendofGod
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Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
1 John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
Sophia

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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
EXACTLY
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Check out Revelations 3:1-5. In that Scripture it talks about Jesus taking the option of 'blotting' someone's name out of the Book of Life if they didn't repent and change.....I'm still fuzzy on the subject myself....
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Doesn't sound like anything the man generally described as jesus would say. Perhaps it's a case of Chinese Whispers?

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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
Many think that mankind are sinners by choice, but this is not true, they are born of the seed of Adam into a sinful spiritually dead state.

The reverse is true for those born of God Seed. They have been removed from all sin by the atonement of Christ...

18 “ Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,

“ Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
You shall eat the good of the land;


Psalm 103:
12 As far as the east is from the west,So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
Sophia

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Freindofgod

Can you think of anyone not born of God's seed?
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you mean like Bob Dylan...if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart you shall be saved...ugghhhh...you figure it out OP!
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"Can you think of anyone not born of God's seed?"

Good question Sophia,...I sure can't.







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friendofGod  (OP)

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Revelation 3
The Dead Church
1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’

Macrobin As far as I can understand Jesus is telling this church that they have a name that they are alive, but are truly dead as stated in verse 1. In regards to blotting out their names I will dig into the original manuscripts and seek the Lord on this for an answer..He cannot contradict His Word.
James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
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If you turn your back on God, you can lose your salvation.

But AFTER Jesus returns, ALL will have a chance to follow God.
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The risk far outweighs any benefit as the risk will vary from child to child.
zacksavage

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"But AFTER Jesus returns, ALL will have a chance to follow God."

Is he coming by bus, train,...or plane?







Z
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friendofGod  (OP)

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Sorry Sophia I should have posted the next verses to follow my opening post to clarify your question.

1 John 3:9-11
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,
James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
friendofGod  (OP)

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If you turn your back on God, you can lose your salvation.

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I will be mostly responding with Scripture as my opinion is not really absolute truth as the Word of God is.

2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
zacksavage

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I like this one the best!

11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we are ONE in love of one another,

Bitchin'


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No Fussyness in this Mater.
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Quit planly there shall be Many whom claim O we did this or that and the Lord shall say Unto them "Depart from Me I Never Knew Thee"


And as McRob said in Rev. to the church of ? "And I Shall Not Blot thine Name out of the book of Life" Which is to Implie that it is Possable that He Can.
Sophia

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friendofgod

I meant to say, can you name any people you've met who are not of God's seed? What you have done is describe what someone else supposedly said about what these poeple might "be", I'm asking for some names because if "god" is the creator, then all are of "God's seed"
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
Read Jesus's parables.
They are important.

The parable about the 10 lepers healed is an important parable. Jesus healed 10 lepers. Only one came back to thank him.
Substitute lepers with sinners and re-read the parable.
Jesus saved 10 sinners, and only one came back to thank him....


Jesus says that some will make it to heaven by the skin of their teeth. It is interesting that teeth actually have no skin.

If you believe that once saved always saved... then maybe you should take it one step further- we are all saved, even the unbelievers.

Just some thoughts.
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
As usual, people are taking verses out of context.
I John 3:9 means that if you truly have accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour,
you are 'dead to sin'.

If you willfully reject God's offer of
redemption, and do not love, then you
are of the Devil.

Can you lose your Salvation? If you have
accepted Jesus Christ and then reject him
and lead a life of sin, sure.

There have been plenty of people who have asked for forgiveness and then asked again, after a period of Sin. Woe unto him who crucifies the Christ a second time.

But if you're an 'ordinary mortal' who fails from time, to time, or who occasionally blames G-d for your troubles, then, no. It's Men who fail G-d, not the
reverse.
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
how can one lose something that only exists in the mind?

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Can't loose what you never had which you never needed anyway.
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
...of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
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OP

Yes they can; if they sin.
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
Sin doesn't exist.

Salvation doesn't exist.

Heaven doesn't exist.

Hell doesn't exist.


Next question.
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
The faithful Christian may at some time lapse or fall into sin because of weakness or being misled, but he “does not carry on sin,” continuing to walk in it.
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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
Also a born again can lose salvation. Once saved is not always saved.


Jude 5: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who *saved* a people out of the land of Egypt, *afterward destroyed* those who did not believe.”

Matt. 24:13: “He who endures to *the end* will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)

Phil. 2:12: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)

Heb. 10:26, 27: “If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.” (Thus the Bible does not go along with the idea that no matter what sins a person may commit after he is “saved” he will not lose his salvation. It encourages faithfulness. See also Hebrews 6:4-6 below, where it is shown that even a person anointed with holy spirit can lose his hope of salvation.)



Hbr 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,


Hbr 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,


Hbr 6:6 If they shall *fall away*, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
savageChrist
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Damn, you people keep c&p'ing the same quotes for the same book over and over again, scared to death to think for yourselves.

It would seem that if your beliefs brought humanity together, there would peace and love on this planet.

But then, you do not believe in peace and love now do you?

With you it’s always the other guy is out to get you.

Poor bastards.

Z
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If you want out, you can get out.

Don't give in to fear. If you have regrets simply repent and sin no more.
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Fool! I have never sinned in the first place.

And neither have you.




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1rof1

You are born and someone places a book in your hand telling you that you were born of sin. And do not question it because it is the inspired word of,...god.

HA!

You believe this for 2000 years.

Pity.


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Re: Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
Sin is anything not in harmony with, hence contrary to, God’s personality, standards, ways, and will; anything marring one’s relationship with God. It may be in word (Job 2:10; Ps 39:1), in deed (doing wrong acts [Le 20:20; 2Co 12:21] or failing to do what should be done [Nu 9:13; Jas 4:17]), or in mind or heart attitude (Pr 21:4; compare also Ro 3:9-18; 2Pe 2:12-15). Lack of faith in God is a major sin, showing, as it does, distrust of him or lack of confidence in his ability to perform. (Heb 3:12, 13, 18, 19)
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Romans 5:12 states that “through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.” (Compare 1John 1:8-10 below.)


1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.





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