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Sacha Baron Cohen is said to star as Freddie Mercury in an upcoming Biopic on the Queen singers Life story.
Can Sacha competently handle such a role?
If one thinks of the great biopics of the past, they have featured ralatively unknown actors, granted, but who are known to be able to dramatically act to a high standard. For such a big role,that is essential , isnt it?
but also such stars of such movies always have some special something that a director has seen in them that makes them suitable and perfect for the role of a famous person. This includes how they look, obviously, but a director isn't just looking at just any people in the street, and seeing resemblence, he is looking at people he knows have a competent dramatic acting ability. Surely this goes without saying?
As far as i can tell, Sacha Baron Cohen has not once displayed any ability to convincingly act out a serious dramatic part.
A good director knows that his options have to open and his instincts have to be at work when finding someone suitable for a role, this is especially so if the movie happens to be the life story of a real person, a biopic. In a biopic ,believability and accuracy and detail are surely more paramount than ever?
All this can only be achieved with a seriously good actor,who has the potential to become great, with such an oppertunity, if the script is competent and does the life story justice, never mind one with a believable resemblance.
And surely a thorough period of casting is called for, to make sure you have the right person. And, is that not, the only sane route?
After all how much money is at stake? Who's reputations?
who's memory?
How much money is at stake on a hollywood movie?
My observations appear quite sensible, to me at least.
With this in mind i have endevoured to try and find a proven actor, who is competent enough , young enough, and can credibly look both like a young and older freddie mercury, in much the same was as Robert Downey Jnr , played charlie chaplin from the age of 18 to 90 something, i believe i have found an actor who can play Freddie Mercury from his late teens to 20's to early 30's ( the period needed if the movie is to cover the formative years through to the end of his live concert career, as has been said by the Producer, Graham King.)
The name of the actor i have found is Jeremy Kapone. Jeremy is a half inch taller than the Real man, Yet will fit with the other cast members, all of whom's heights are almost exactly as the real Queen, and who look like them.
The actors found for other parts are Jake Abel for Roger Taylor, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt for the role of John Deacon.
Sadly, i should think one of them could possibly not act though, however he stands as much chance as Sacha Baron Cohen in my opinion, as he to is a comic.
Dominic Harris a ringer for Brian May, just shy of Sacha's height, but a good 6' 3 at least i should think.
I have found 36 actors for various roles that should be included, if the story is truly going to be a thorough detailed true depiction of Freddie Mercury's life, as the word biopic suggests.
But most crucially, i have Kapone for the lead.
Again i ask, is there any evidence Sacha Baron Cohen can dramatically act to a suitable standard?
The Freddie Mercury Biopic - Director Sir Richard Attenborough
[link to www.youtube.com]
Here is a very indepth and apt interview on how Sir Richard Attenborough
made probably the greatest ever Biopic, and what the actor chosen to play him
brought to the role.
Likewise, in agreement with Sir Richard Attenborough's description of Robert Downey becoming Chaplin, I believe Jeremy Kapone can become Freddie Mercury,and I have no doubts about it. He can and will.
So with this interview in mind, with all it's detail of how a great biopic is made, I expect no less of the Freddie Mercury Biopic, for the difficulties they faced with Chaplin are very similar to the ones with Freddie Mercury . But i believe i have found the right man who can make MERCURY as GREAT AS CHAPLIN.
All that is needed now is for those with the power to simply use what i have found.
I do hope i am not alone in my capacity to grasp that the portrayal of such a unique man as Freddie Mercury, who was a man of such contrasts and extremes, a very private man, with a very complicated personal life and journey, a man who like chaplin was a immigrant, who became a genious musical composer, created such a powerful and recognizable image, was of unequalled talent as both a singer and stage performer, I really do hope i am not alone in grasping that such a man needs a very special and talented actor, to truly become Mercury, an actor who is able to truly give a valid telling of his life story in a believable, moving , powerful and credible way, an actor who can truly reveal the fullness of the personality, both public and private.
Freddie Mercury was himself an actor, and he really needs a true actor to play his part, was Freddie so succesful at hiding himself, that now people do not realise he was probably the greatest actor ever?
This maybe a revelation to many, but isn't it obvious?
Everyone wants to know about the real Private man, but Freddie's whole thing was his act, nobody except very few saw that real man.
Now i hope we all have an oppertunity to have an honest detailed and true look at the man. I believe Jeremy Kapone is just about the only one who could realisticly enable that.
This very difficulty of the uniqueness of Freddie Mercury is the very reason people have unthinkingly jumped on the Sacha Baron Cohen mistake, but what a grave mistake indeed!
It is as if we have been tricked!
and the trick is this , Cohen has no chance of portraying the real Freddie, only an embarrasing comedy turn and parody of the stage Freddie, and that is the trick, but even that will look rediculous.
Dont be fooled, we want to see the real man, both on stage and off.
Here is a video showing Jeremy Kapone in contrast to Sacha Baron Cohen
as Mercury. it also features Sacha's singing voice.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Why should I care?
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He's a ham, he can only do 'panto' type roles.
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He's a ham, he can only do 'panto' type roles.
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My goodness you described IT exactly
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what an amazing oppertunity missed, how tragic it would be for cinema to miss out on capturing the epic granduer of such a powerful performer, who's stage performance and voice lifted the whole world.
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Is it really that important? I couldn't give a crap who plays him, I have no interest in wasting an evening on that movie anyway.
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adam sandler played stupid roles like sbc until he played a dramatic role in punch drunk love,imho one of his best.he may surprise you.
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Dont you people realise i just want Freddie to be respected and given his damn credit,I dont want him and his life to be portrayed as one short joke.
Dont you people have any respect for him?
Sacha Baron Cohen is a ham, he can only do panto type roles.
Was Freddie's stage perfomance acclaimed as it was merely the result of someone akin and equal to that of Cohen a panto actor ?
was his private mind that of a panto character? why does everyone think he can be treated with such casual dismissal? and contempt, that his life is so callously dismissed and its depth worthy of such an actor who has no skill and no depth, he would be fitting to someone so shallow?

Is it merely because you dont see him as a real person but only as a stooge?

Well if his image was so easily dismissed as to equate it portrayable by a pantomine actor why bother making a biopic about his life?
As such a joke of a human being, surely is far too one dimensional to be of interest to anyone.
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OP, you spend too much time on Hollywood, pediphile, illuminati soldiers.
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adam sandler played stupid roles like sbc until he played a dramatic role in punch drunk love,imho one of his best.he may surprise you.
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nah he wants to play a pantomime dame
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adam sandler played stupid roles like sbc until he played a dramatic role in punch drunk love,imho one of his best.he may surprise you.
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nah he wants to play a pantomime dame
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and, do you just think they cast adam sandler and that was that?
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Is it really that important? I couldn't give a crap who plays him, I have no interest in wasting an evening on that movie anyway.
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well, you needed to express you have no interest obviously, so i have done you a favour .
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No he's a retard I hate him.
Adam Sandler likes boy pussy and has a drinking problem but you didn't hear it from me..
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No he's a retard I hate him.
Adam Sandler likes boy pussy and has a drinking problem but you didn't hear it from me..
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what is boy pussy? Is it a transexual with a vagina?
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adam sandler played stupid roles like sbc until he played a dramatic role in punch drunk love,imho one of his best.he may surprise you.
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adam sandler always had an element of real ife intereactions eith people in his silly roles, that requires some skill at acting, even if minimal.
Sacha doesnt do that. think about it and you will see, there is no attempt at any true reality in his roles.
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adam sandler played stupid roles like sbc until he played a dramatic role in punch drunk love,imho one of his best.he may surprise you.
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adam sandler always had an element of real ife intereactions eith people in his silly roles, that requires some skill at acting, even if minimal.
Sacha doesnt do that. think about it and you will see, there is no attempt at any true reality in his roles.
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No roles no attempt And therefore no practice
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no he is fukken hopeless
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the ability to put a poor rating on this is the only argument aganist it's truth.
Instead of being a coward, why not try and counertact my argument with a plausable defence of sacha as an credible dramatic actor?
The answer is you actually cannot ,because my argument is right, and everyone knows it.
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its silly to care whether or not he can 'properly or respectfully' portray freddie mercury....

he is not freddie mercury, he is an actor

freddie mercury was freddie mercury, and anyone who gives enough of a shit to find out about him will do so/or has already done, before a shitastic hollywood movie comes out- and in the case that they're just finding out about him through the movie, if they have any intelligence whatsoever they will seek reference in other places.

this is the problem with the world

you people care about the stupidest shit
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Well he's capable of maintaining at least three different characters, and portraying them as real people in front of other real people. That suggests he's a good actor, even if they are only comedy.


Truth is we've never seen him in a non-comedy roll. So we just don't know how well he'll handle it.
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Dont you people realise i just want Freddie to be respected and given his damn credit, I dont want him and his life to be portrayed as one short joke.
Dont you people have any respect for him?
Sacha Baron Cohen is a ham, he can only do panto type roles.
Was Freddie's stage perfomance acclaimed as it was , merely the result of someone akin and equal to that of Cohen, a panto actor ?
was his private mind that of a panto character?
why does everyone think he can be treated with such casual dismissal? and contempt, that his life is so callously dismissed and its depth worthy of such an actor, who has no skill and no depth, he would be fitting to someone so shallow?

Is it merely because you dont see him as a real person but only as a stooge?
A vehicle for a clown actor?
Since when do biopics so activlly and obviously seek to denegrate, and dismiss the personhood of the people they are meant to be in honour of, by having a dramatic disaster ape them?

Well if his image was so easily dismissed as to equate it portrayable by a pantomine actor why bother making a biopic about his life?
As such a joke of a human being, surely is far too one dimensional to be of interest to anyone.

Mercury requires a masterful performance,
not a disaster performer of bufoonery.
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mercury requires nothing of sheeple ass fucking hollywood, his career speaks for itself...

it is impossible to capture that in film.

youve seen every other shitty bio film im sure, they were far from capturing the real essence of any of their main characters.

get over it, get over thinkin someone wants to censor you.

nobody fucking cares buddy
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Dont you people realise i just want Freddie to be respected and given his damn credit, I dont want him and his life to be portrayed as one short joke.
Dont you people have any respect for him?
Sacha Baron Cohen is a ham, he can only do panto type roles.
Was Freddie's stage perfomance acclaimed as it was , merely the result of someone akin and equal to that of Cohen, a panto actor ?
was his private mind that of a panto character?
why does everyone think he can be treated with such casual dismissal? and contempt, that his life is so callously dismissed and its depth worthy of such an actor, who has no skill and no depth, he would be fitting to someone so shallow?

Is it merely because you dont see him as a real person but only as a stooge?
A vehicle for a clown actor?
Since when do biopics so activlly and obviously seek to denegrate, and dismiss the personhood of the people they are meant to be in honour of, by having a dramatic disaster ape them?

Well if his image was so easily dismissed as to equate it portrayable by a pantomine actor why bother making a biopic about his life?
As such a joke of a human being, surely is far too one dimensional to be of interest to anyone.

Mercury requires a masterful performance,
not a disaster performer of bufoonery.
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You don't know that he can only do "panto" roles, because you've never seen him play a serious role. His ability in serious roles is yet to be demonstrated.

It's unlikely that this biopic will be a "short joke"; they tend to be respectful. All biopics tend to be a little distorted from the truth, but a freddie biopic would be interesting and SBC looks a little like him too, and is comfortable playing sexually ambiguous roles.
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Well he's capable of maintaining at least three different characters, and portraying them as real people in front of other real people. That suggests he's a good actor, even if they are only comedy.


Truth is we've never seen him in a non-comedy roll. So we just don't know how well he'll handle it.
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such risks are not taken
such chance is not part of such money
the only benefit to a casting of cohen is because of an active knoweldge of his "talents" known thus far.
In other words he has said he wants to do it, and there is agreement amongst those who know exactly what he has already done.
that is resume, that is how it works.
They agree knowing only what he has done.
and let me assure you, that is all he has done- what you know they know, because there is nothing else in his whole career.
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Realise, I am not asking for much I merely want someone capable of drinking a cup of tea convincingly.

That is how dire the situation of Cohen is.
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Is it really that important? I couldn't give a crap who plays him, I have no interest in wasting an evening on that movie anyway.
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well, you needed to express you have no interest obviously, so i have done you a favour .
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Really? That's how things work in your mind? No wonder you're mindlessly slobbering over who's going to play Freddie Mercury.
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Is it really that important? I couldn't give a crap who plays him, I have no interest in wasting an evening on that movie anyway.
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well, you needed to express you have no interest obviously, so i have done you a favour .
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Really? That's how things work in your mind? No wonder you're mindlessly slobbering over who's going to play Freddie Mercury.
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I am making the point
cohen cannot act,
he cannot convince - unless he is trying overtly hard to hide by the use of the absurd.,
when he is still his eyes are like those of a rabbit caught in headlights
he is exposed as a non actor!
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He'll probably be great as Freddie and all this talk about being a ham and pantomime roles? that's exactly why he fits the bill.

On many occasions Freddie referred to himself as a ham, "it's all pantomime" etc..

So what do you naysayers think Bohemian Rhapsody is?
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Is it really that important? I couldn't give a crap who plays him, I have no interest in wasting an evening on that movie anyway.
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well, you needed to express you have no interest obviously, so i have done you a favour .
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Really? That's how things work in your mind? No wonder you're mindlessly slobbering over who's going to play Freddie Mercury.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19267692


Again i gave your a cause for relief of your own absurdity.
You should thank me for providing these oppertunities of distraction for you, from your obvious dilemma.
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He'll probably be great as Freddie and all this talk about being a ham and pantomime roles? that's exactly why he fits the bill.

On many occasions Freddie referred to himself as a ham, "it's all pantomime" etc..

So what do you naysayers think Bohemian Rhapsody is?
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you really dengrate Freddie as a performer is you think Cohen is equal to the task of Freddies overall performance, which involves so much expression both physically , and facially emotionally expressed. The sheer wieght of his insight into physically expression of his vocals is beyond anything CAohen is capable of.
And you fail to notice,Freddie had a real private life where he wasn't superman, what of cohen then?
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He'll probably be great as Freddie and all this talk about being a ham and pantomime roles? that's exactly why he fits the bill.

On many occasions Freddie referred to himself as a ham, "it's all pantomime" etc..

So what do you naysayers think Bohemian Rhapsody is?
 Quoting: uju 19368922


you really denegrate Freddie as a performer if you think Cohen is equal to the task of Freddie's overall stage performance. which involves so much expression both physically ,and facially ,emotionally expressed.
The sheer weight of his insight into the physical expression of his vocals is beyond anything Cohen is capable of.

And you fail to notice ,Freddie had a real private life where he wasn't superman, so what of cohen then?





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