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UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)

 
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The sun has gone angry and is about to flip us off. That damn sun doesn't know what he is messing with. We humans have weapons of mass destruction. Hillary Clinton get the sun on the horn and tell him his days are numbered. We will get back to you Assado Mustado. This side of the universe is going to shit.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
Image is FAKE. That website wont generate that picture.

OP is a fraud.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
I would be worried it the Sun didn't behave normally. Transitioning from Dipolar to Quadrupolar back to Dipolar is how it works. It happens when the Sun reaches Solar Max, just like it's doing at present. Here is a thorough paper on it from 2002;
Observations of the Sun’s magnetic field during the recent solar maximum
[link to www.ias.fr]

"We show how this influenced the current sheet. At solar minimum, the Sun’s coronal magnetic field was essentially dipolar and aligned parallel to the spin axis. As a result, the heliospheric current sheet was flat and had very little warp. Around solar maximum, the dipole was perpendicular to the spin axis, and the ratio of quadrupole to dipole strength was high for much of the time. This meant that the current sheet was tilted and highly warped, and reached up to high latitudes. Surprisingly, there were also times close to solar maximum when the quadrupole/dipole ratio was low, and the current sheet was relatively flat, but still highly inclined. We apply for the first time to solar magnetic data a method, which quantitatively analyses the quadrupole component of the magnetic field..."

For those that like videos, there is this;

[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
For those that like to read, here is another paper;
Dipole-Quadrupole dynamics during magnetic field reversals
[link to www.phys.ens.fr]

"In conclusion, we have used a simple method to extract the dipolar (antisymmetric) and quadrupolar (symmetric) components of the magnetic field in the VKS experiment. We have shown that this decomposition allows to investigate the morphology of the magnetic field during reversals, and to compare experimental results to the predictions of a recent model proposed in [11]. We have shown that the results of the VKS experiment are in very good agreement with these predictions:
- reversals are characterized by a strong transfer to the quadrupole when the dipole vanishes,
- the dipolar mode systematically displays an overshoot after each reversal,
- random reversals are asymmetric, i.e. involve two phases: a slow one triggered by turbulent fluctuations followed by a fast one mostly governed by the deterministic dynamics..."

A few others;
A Star with two North Poles - 2003: [link to science.nasa.gov]
The Sun Does a Flip - 2001: [link to science.nasa.gov]
The Sun's Polar Magnetic Field, 1959 Paper discussing the delayed Polar Flip: [link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

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 Quoting: TBar1984

I addressed this in my opening post:

Since modern observation began, the Sun's default has been to possess two opposing poles. During polar reversal, while the magnetic fields are in chaos and sorting themselves out, the two poles often have the same polarity temporarily and at weak strengths. Then as the reversal proceeds the poles settle in opposing polarities and power back up to full strength.

That phenomenon where the poles share the same polarity during the transition of a reversal is not noteworthy, it's occurred the last 3 cycles. That is not what the Hinode team is talking about. Unlike in the past, this time what we have is one pole reversing while the other pole does nothing. If trends continue, we will have both poles having the same polarity at full strength and they will just cement themselves that way until the next reversal.

That is what the term 'quadrupole sun' means. Two poles of the same polarity, cemented. This has never occurred since modern observation began. What a quadrupole sun would mean for us is anyone's guess.
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And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation."
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
The sun's magnetic pole reverses every 11 years....

Are we sooooo surprised by this????
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yes, they still are...
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
Image is FAKE. That website wont generate that picture.

OP is a fraud.
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The graph is sourced from WSO data.

[link to wso.stanford.edu]

That graph is sourced from the 20 nhz filtered measurements of solar polar field strength from the above page. You can check the readings for yourself and verify the graph is accurate.

Readings are provided for both north and south poles, both unfiltered and filtered.
And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation."
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
Image is FAKE. That website wont generate that picture.

OP is a fraud.
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The graph is sourced from WSO data.

[link to wso.stanford.edu]

That graph is sourced from the 20 nhz filtered measurements of solar polar field strength from the above page. You can check the readings for yourself and verify the graph is accurate.

Readings are provided for both north and south poles, both unfiltered and filtered.
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How did you turn all that data into that pretty graph?

Give us a step by step please Id like to verify it.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
The sun's acting like an idiot....again.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
bump and 5 stars

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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
Image is FAKE. That website wont generate that picture.

OP is a fraud.
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The graph is sourced from WSO data.

[link to wso.stanford.edu]

That graph is sourced from the 20 nhz filtered measurements of solar polar field strength from the above page. You can check the readings for yourself and verify the graph is accurate.

Readings are provided for both north and south poles, both unfiltered and filtered.
 Quoting: madajs


How did you turn all that data into that pretty graph?

Give us a step by step please Id like to verify it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11028194

The graph in the opening post displays north and south pole data under the 20 nhz filtered columns, starting from March 22, 1999 and ending June 11, 2012. Feel free to go through the data and confirm the readings. By the way, for ease of reading the numbers represent gauss magnified by 100X, so for example here's the June 21, 2012 reading:

"20nhz filt: 3Nf 51Sf "
= North Pole +0.03 gauss, South Pole +0.51 gauss

Hope you enjoy going over the data as much as I did! :)

Last Edited by madajs on 07/10/2012 08:17 AM
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
The solution...
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
SHILLS GONNA SHILL!!!


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SHILLS GONNA SHILL!!!


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Not a shill, just adding a little brevity to a topic that is way beyond anything I can comprehend. And I'd venture a guess that I am not alone. When I come up with any real answers, you can bet I'll share my wealth of knowledge here. In the meantime, enjoy the video. lol
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SHILLS GONNA SHILL!!!


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Not a shill, just adding a little brevity to a topic that is way beyond anything I can comprehend. And I'd venture a guess that I am not alone. When I come up with any real answers, you can bet I'll share my wealth of knowledge here. In the meantime, enjoy the video. lol
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I was NOT refering to you...
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SHILLS GONNA SHILL!!!


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Not a shill, just adding a little brevity to a topic that is way beyond anything I can comprehend. And I'd venture a guess that I am not alone. When I come up with any real answers, you can bet I'll share my wealth of knowledge here. In the meantime, enjoy the video. lol
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I was NOT refering to you...
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OK, sorry... and thanks. :)
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
The sun's magnetic pole reverses every 11 years....

Are we sooooo surprised by this????
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yes, they still are...
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wow, you guys didn't even read the post did you?
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
"It is believed that the Sun has previously experienced these circumstances during the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum, which are said to have been periods when the Earth's climate was colder."

well, um, that ain't happening.

If anything, and I mean this in addition to the 4000+ record highs that have been broken - the sun feels hotter. Even on a comfortable 75 degree day, the sun - to me and some others I've talked to - feels hotter than it should - on your skin etc.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
Holy crap! That diagram looks like cell mitosis! Is the sun about to split into two!
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You could prolly find a bookmaker that would take a bet on that.
My own research into this seems to show that the solar scientists would not be suprised at anything now reguarding the sun weirdness.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
scratching This makes you wonder what the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer was really launched for by NASA which just happen to coincide with the last launch of the space shuttle.
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"It is believed that the Sun has previously experienced these circumstances during the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum, which are said to have been periods when the Earth's climate was colder."

well, um, that ain't happening.

If anything, and I mean this in addition to the 4000+ record highs that have been broken - the sun feels hotter. Even on a comfortable 75 degree day, the sun - to me and some others I've talked to - feels hotter than it should - on your skin etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369739


I've felt this way for over a year now. It's almost as if I can actually feel the radiation from the sun penetrating through my body
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I feel like this is a good thing. To some degree. Scientists did a few studies on the sun and they found it's sending off new waves of radiation and other things... I wouldn't know where to begin to find the links.... but it's mutating matter. Mutating it in a positive way! This year certainly will be a critical turning point in human evolution!
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"It is believed that the Sun has previously experienced these circumstances during the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum, which are said to have been periods when the Earth's climate was colder."

well, um, that ain't happening.

If anything, and I mean this in addition to the 4000+ record highs that have been broken - the sun feels hotter. Even on a comfortable 75 degree day, the sun - to me and some others I've talked to - feels hotter than it should - on your skin etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369739


I've felt this way for over a year now. It's almost as if I can actually feel the radiation from the sun penetrating through my body
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^^^This^^^ And when I get a sunburn, it is different from any sunburn I've had in the past......(just speaking of this summer) The burn feels different like going through my whole body and my skin itches like crazy mad!!!! I tan easily, but my skin still itches, days after exposure....lotion/benedryl/etc....nothing relieves it....weird imo
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
When the Sun turns quadrupole, the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse will make its appearance. uhoh
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Yes these guys are coming back!!!!!!!!!!

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So, what's this mean for us?
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"It is believed that the Sun has previously experienced these circumstances during the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum, which are said to have been periods when the Earth's climate was colder."

well, um, that ain't happening.

If anything, and I mean this in addition to the 4000+ record highs that have been broken - the sun feels hotter. Even on a comfortable 75 degree day, the sun - to me and some others I've talked to - feels hotter than it should - on your skin etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369739


I've felt this way for over a year now. It's almost as if I can actually feel the radiation from the sun penetrating through my body
 Quoting: John Everytard


^^^This^^^ And when I get a sunburn, it is different from any sunburn I've had in the past......(just speaking of this summer) The burn feels different like going through my whole body and my skin itches like crazy mad!!!! I tan easily, but my skin still itches, days after exposure....lotion/benedryl/etc....nothing relieves it....weird imo
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YES, YES, YES!!! Sun's waaaay more intense for sure.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
"It is believed that the Sun has previously experienced these circumstances during the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum, which are said to have been periods when the Earth's climate was colder."

well, um, that ain't happening.

If anything, and I mean this in addition to the 4000+ record highs that have been broken - the sun feels hotter. Even on a comfortable 75 degree day, the sun - to me and some others I've talked to - feels hotter than it should - on your skin etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369739


I've felt this way for over a year now. It's almost as if I can actually feel the radiation from the sun penetrating through my body
 Quoting: John Everytard


Yes, and the "burning can be felt immediately during mid-to late day here in Florida..

Outside for a cig (i dont burn, but) I can feel it on my skin as if I'm going to be sunburned. And this is instantaneous, never have I experienced this until this winter
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So, what's this mean for us?
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nobody knows.ahhh
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
Image is FAKE. That website wont generate that picture.

OP is a fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11028194

The graph is sourced from WSO data.

[link to wso.stanford.edu]

That graph is sourced from the 20 nhz filtered measurements of solar polar field strength from the above page. You can check the readings for yourself and verify the graph is accurate.

Readings are provided for both north and south poles, both unfiltered and filtered.
 Quoting: madajs


How did you turn all that data into that pretty graph?

Give us a step by step please Id like to verify it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11028194

The graph in the opening post displays north and south pole data under the 20 nhz filtered columns, starting from March 22, 1999 and ending June 11, 2012. Feel free to go through the data and confirm the readings. By the way, for ease of reading the numbers represent gauss magnified by 100X, so for example here's the June 21, 2012 reading:

"20nhz filt: 3Nf 51Sf "
= North Pole +0.03 gauss, South Pole +0.51 gauss

Hope you enjoy going over the data as much as I did! :)
 Quoting: madajs


i think, op, that the most important thing you can do with what you've found is make sure others can duplicate it. that's the core of a scientific experiment, kwim? i thank you for this thread and hope others arrive who do what you've done to prove it. this is how the information makes it out to the mainstream and forces people to have a look.

i also think a nice little summary of what the quadrupole means, what can happen, what is known, etc. would be a good idea.

just trying to help because i feel this is an important thread and would like to see it taken seriously. possibly groundbreaking if integrity is maintained. 5 stars, op.
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
So, it's confirmed it's "quadrupole" since May?

Since May 20th, 2012?

Remember May 20th, 2012 was a predicted date for doom...
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So, it's confirmed it's "quadrupole" since May?

Since May 20th, 2012?

Remember May 20th, 2012 was a predicted date for doom...
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This one?

Thread: 20th May 2012 - How to survive the solar flare/CME ??
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Re: UPDATE: Quadrupole now looking unlikely. (Aug 2012)
I still don't believe in a quadpole. Technical not possible. But, if true dynamite





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