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The Hero's Journey

 
asgardhr

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Sometimes the wind blows the door open.

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Freyja  (OP)

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asgardhr said something to me not too long ago....and it is so true miscreant.

enlightenment is not easy!

can you imagine what jesus went through trying to tell people (probably the same ones that can not hear today!) that we are god and everything else that we have opened our minds to.

not only that....but the arrogance...OH MY GOD...that is what always blows my mind.

for me it is all done now anyway....all the realities are all lined up and it is just a matter of *space* before in the twinkling of an eye the new world emerges.

I'll see you there too...i'll be the one laughing and nakey.







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asgardhr

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01/04/2006 03:54 PM
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I believe that I said, "enlightenment sucks".

hi
Freyja  (OP)

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01/04/2006 03:55 PM
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1doh1

how could i have all people missed the suck word?


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01/04/2006 03:56 PM
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unfornately you have to replace the straw every once and awhile
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Pick one:

Enlightenment Sucks ( )

Enlightenment Rocks ( )

Enlightenment Sucks Rocks (.)
asgardhr

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I pick Leih Tzu.
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01/04/2006 04:17 PM
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Freyja, if you could tell me how to get to that space, I'd really appreciate it.

I feel like I have keys (facts) that can unlock the doors to truth (mystery), for those who are captive in religion and all I want to do is share it, but the blows are really hard. Harder still is the realization that people are choosing separation instead of love. It's not ignorance. It's a choice to be self-serving and it blows my mind and deflates me at the same time.

Do you think it's right to just gather up our pearls and turn our backs? It would be soooo much easier.

Just letting go.

When the Church took over the Jesus myths, they killed the Mystery by literalizing it.

When they destroyed the Goddess, they destroyed a pathway towards higher consciousness.

They became the monster and spawned the children of our egotistical, self-serving power cultures. The crime of the millenium(s).

I love you. rose
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
Freyja  (OP)

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miscreant,


you are feeling compelled to experience this...go for it!

here is an example of how planting seeds works....asgardhr sprinkled me with some seeds a couple years ago, i cussed him and spit on him till one day I woke up and the seeds had sprouted.

the fragrance is divine but you will have to ask asgardhr if it was worth it!


lmao
Freyja  (OP)

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Lieh-tzu was studying with his teacher Hu-tzu.
"Before you understand what it means to act, you need to know what it means to react," said Hu-tzu.
"Can you tell me more about this?"
"Turn around and look at your shadow."
Leih-tzu turned around and looked at his shadow. When he was bent, the shadow was bent. When he straightened up, his shadow straightened. Leih-tzu found that his shadow had no control over its movement and simply reacted to what he did. It was only then that Lieh-tzu realized we are also like shadows, reacting to events in the world. We are not the mover of events; we can only respond to situations. Whether we should be active or passive does not depend on what we want to do, but what the situation calls for.
-- Eva Wong, Lieh-Tzu



thank you for the lead...i found this on a great site.
Freyja  (OP)

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Of late I deeply devote myself to quiescence.

Nothing in the world concerns my mind...

The breeze from the pine woods blows my sash;

The mountain moon shines upon my harp.

You ask me to explain the reason of failure or success.

The fisherman's song goes deep into the river.
-- Wang Wei (8th century)
Miscreant

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01/04/2006 04:34 PM
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Perfect quote!

applause
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
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01/04/2006 04:47 PM
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i find it very easy to mispel

channel surfing
and sucking rocks

probably every epigrapher has at least once been puzzled by the passage on lintel 1 at yaxchilan describing the actions of the queen chak-joloom as she accompanied her royal husband, the famous bird-jaguar, in a ritual dance he did upon his accession. the 'holy lady' is depicted standing beside the bird-jaguar who performs his talkin-dance(ch'am-ak'ta). she holds a bundle labled(at glyph k) ikaats(bundle). however, the hieroglyphic caption that refers to the queen is quite obscure:

chan-na-li could belong to the same group of deviant spellings as ajaw-wa-li for ajawil and aj-k'uh-na-il for ajk'uhu'nil
asgardhr

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01/04/2006 04:50 PM
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That explains everything.

Good seeds.
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01/04/2006 04:51 PM
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Damn. I hate it when the secrets of the universe are revealed in a language I can't understand.
Freyja  (OP)

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they were very good seeds....

the kundalini rose and i was stuck in the tree tops instead of planted on terra.

your seeds rooted me and guided me from some dogma that had fogged me in.

296...i choose rocks and sucks...both words can mean several things..i like versatility in a word!
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i think i hert myself
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Miscreant, you expressed some of my concerns when you said "people are choosing separation instead of love"
and "is it right to just gather up our pearls and turn our backs?"

From "Biology of Belief"

Quote:

"Many spiritual people anticipate the return of White Light to the planet...from my newly acquired spirituality, I see that White Light will only return to the planet when every human being recognizes every other human being as an individual frequency of the White Light.

As long we keep destroying frequencies of the spectrum, we will not be able to experience the White Light."

Can we leave them behind in all conscience or am I being really obtuse?
In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine
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it's called the rain making ceromoany 296
Miscreant

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That's exactly right, Celador. These words on a screen are so difficult.

Do I have a responsibility to share my knowledge? Once you have A truth (not THE exclusive but a fractal of the ONE truth, in which the piece you hold contains the whole thing), is it ok to just go off and be a hermit?

Cause, I'll be honest, I'm really disgusted with people lately and it would be a relief to just let it all go.

However, the Hero's Return is the part people don't hear much about. The bringing back of Light (Sun, gnosis) to humanity. Is this an obligation so that we may one day fulfill the ancient promise of all of us returning to the garden?
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
asgardhr

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Spirituality creates an artificial dilemma in us.



Allow me to paraphrase Lao Tzu:

When one conceives that something is divine,
then the recognition of not divine comes into being.




The idea of enlightenment creates the sense of unenlightenment. Or, the idea of unenlightenment creates the need for enlightenment. I believe this is called polarization. All of our spiritual paths create this dilemma. And then we end up needing to be liberated from our enlightenment!

A more Elemental approach to life is called for.
asgardhr

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>>> However, the Hero's Return is the part people don't hear much about. The bringing back of Light (Sun, gnosis) to humanity. Is this an obligation so that we may one day fulfill the ancient promise of all of us returning to the garden? <<<

Each hero must choose what to do or not do about anything themselves, for themselves.

Heroes don't wear leashes.
Miscreant

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I'm not talking about enlightenment. I'm talking about facts. Is it an obligation to give people facts that will free them from an evil spell so that they may pursue their own enlightenment?

Seriously, I'd like to know if there's some sort of karmic decree.

But the points you made were really good ones. I don't feel trapped by enlightenment. Quite the opposite I feel seduced by it. I just wonder if that is not compassionate or whatever.
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
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The Mormons and Jehovahs seem to think so Miscreant.
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Come Home Billy Bird
by Divine Comedy, The

album Absent Friends

Drenched in sweat he finds his seat
And with the luggage squeezed down beneath his feet
He begins to think that things can't get no worse.
And then a voice says "bags that can't be stowed
In the overhead lockers must go below
In the hold - please let go. Thank you, Sir."
Miscreant

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I guess I should put this in context. People are coming in my life that are following a basic pattern...

They're fractured (bi-polar, obsessive compulsive, manipulating, etc.)

Even my father, who once read Jung and the Tao, is now getting baptized in a Baptist church and asking me about the word of God.

Is it okay to turn my back or is it possible there is a bigger pattern to this?
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
cecirdr

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01/04/2006 06:22 PM
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"Do I have a responsibility to share my knowledge? Once you have A truth (not THE exclusive but a fractal of the ONE truth, in which the piece you hold contains the whole thing), is it ok to just go off and be a hermit?"
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What I'm pondering is that there's no real reason to *have* to teach anyone anything. Everyone already knows everything, they're just playing a story. In order for the story to happen, they had to have a certain degree of forgetting occur.

Now..since everyone and everything is all One source, they are reflecting portions of you back to you...you as the One.

If you desire to teach, then that's your story...and you have to forget that there's nothing to teach and no out there out there, in order to desire to do it. But if you remember these things, then the urge to teach is actually *not* likely to rise up in you.

If you go off and live as a hermit, BUT you put your beliefs into practice, then helping yourself, helps the whole universe. What's inside is what you see outside. Your beliefs shape your world. Your inner alchemical refinement is all in all.

Ceci (my present opinion only)
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are you asking what an Indigo would do? Because we do the Shield/no Shield thing. Either we can relate to you or we can't. There are no persuasive arguments available to you.
asgardhr

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Miscreant-My post on enlightenment/unenlightenment had nothing to do with you....it was related to early postings above.

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cecirdr

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That's interesting that you're running into these people in your life right now.

What do you think it could mean? I am also experiencing incredible changes in my life too. (though probably not as frustrating as yours...mine are more shocking and quick versus the long term interactions you're experiencing)

Ceci