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The Hero's Journey

 
cecirdr

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BTW..miscreant,

I really like the Fractal truth wording to explain all of our truths/stories. It's a fractal "piece" containing the whole and within the whole.

That is so cool,

Ceci
asgardhr

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Ceci-

If there is no one 'out there', then that means there is also no one 'in here' either. And without all of that there could be no RV on the Oregon Coast and a Ginger wanting to sit on your lap.

Maybe we better just keep our illusions!
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It's just strange. I know there's no one who can answer definitively for me. If it were that easy, I'd be golden.
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
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A Golden Scalawag.
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cecirdr

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Ultimately asgardhr...there is no self...no I.

Ceci
cecirdr

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I think I understand miscreant. No one can give answers. I put forth my ideas to get feedback from myself as other. It's all like consulting an oracle in a way.

Life as signs and portents showing and experiencing itself and using symbols to "do" so.

Ceci
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Ceci, I moved to northern Arizona for peace. Now, my mother and neice are here and my father and sister are moving to Tuscon.

It's like a posse. I'd move, but I think they'd follow me.

anon

What does it take to be a hermit these days? Do you think that this time around the hermit is the option or do you think that our place is to live and work in the "real" world while still maintaining our Center (which is really challenging.)
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
Miscreant

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Haha I like the oracle analogy. Quite good.
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
cecirdr

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"What does it take to be a hermit these days? Do you think that this time around the hermit is the option or do you think that our place is to live and work in the "real" world while still maintaining our Center (which is really challenging.)"

On a certain level, it's embarrassing how many times I've vacillated between those two ideas. Right now, I'm still in the "real world" with all of its distractions, but yet I feel detached. And I don't want to re-attach so strongly again.

At the moment, I'm unable to be a hermit either, but I admit the urge is strong. ...surrounded by so much talk,noise, and junk portrayed at valuable, blech. And I know that to change it, it's irrelevant to carp, nag, and bitch. There is no way to change "anyone else". I have to interpret what this means to "me" and what it's telling me about this set of fractal beliefs that I have. (I *really* liked that phrase)

So...despite all the distractions, I keep working on understanding my beliefs and pondering how to change them. Considering how many changes are crossing my path lately and how uncomfortable I've been feeling, I'd say I am into some new turf. My brain may not understand it, nor see the "future" probablities, but I have to have faith that progress is still occurring along my desired goal/story.

Good luck to you with family moving so close. I get along well with mine, but I still don't really fit in, though they do humor me. :) So...I'm in Oregon, and they're in MS and GA. How far away is Tuscon from you? Perhaps setting visiting ground rules??? I can't stand it when people show up unannounced and assume that I'm living just waiting for their "company". (definite strong belief on that one eh??)

Ceci
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i have never got into all that I do not exist stuff......cause I do.

i have seen the truth...and that is that creator looks just like me and was inside my head the whole time.... the beauty and the golden radiance of being creator sends orgasmic surges thru my being that oozes drops of nectar from the internal fountain of youth that pulsates to the cosmic music of phi....dancing in ecstacy as my cells sing the one note tone of OM.

do that all day and everything else is wavy gravy.























cheers
cecirdr

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Hi freyja, hi

I think miscreant hit the nail on the head with the fractal truth wording. "We all" experience different truths.

In my ponderings (which some may call meditation) I often encounter a feeling that I can only describe as "I" don't exist. Nothing exists save for consciousness and it's infinite. I get feelings of immense joy and "largness" ...I really don't have words to describe "it". But "I" cease to exist. So I've interpreted it to mean that the "I" is ultimately an illusion.

It doesn't really matter how we all are dreaming up our truths. Just so long as they work for you.

Ceci (changing all the time...changing *what*...I dunno...all I can relate to is being change)
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i get the fractal truth thing ceci and I love it too!

how do all the fractals end up as one Ultimate Truth?

it is so easy....

and what they try so hard to keep you from doing.

and what you are called names for by the ones who do not understand it.

and what allows you to accept all fractals with no condition or expectations.

if i did not have i...it never would have been expereinced and that would be a real bummer!






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Chipruth. I did not know that the lantern held the Tetragrammaton. How did you come by this?

Do you think there are two (or more) "I's". like the point within the circle (symbol of the Sun). The I within the sphere of all the different personae?

I think the Greeks had a better language for all these I's. We are word-deprived.
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
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chip truth is in a land far beyond mere mortals!
asgardhr

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>>> Ultimately asgardhr...there is no self...no I <<<

Yeah, but so what? That is at cross-purposes to your individual existence. You are not as you are to be 'one'. You are creating multiplicity. Enjoy it!
asgardhr

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>>> It's like a posse. I'd move, but I think they'd follow me. <<<

You should always have at least 1000 miles - perferably more - between you and any of your relatives!!!


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Freyja  (OP)

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My relatives stay far far away from me!

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cecirdr

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"Yeah, but so what? That is at cross-purposes to your individual existence. You are not as you are to be 'one'. You are creating multiplicity. Enjoy it!"
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It may be a "so what" to you, but it's been a revelatory moment for me. One that filled me with awe and joy.

I do not experience having an individual existence. My experience of "individualness" is getting less and less. I have felt myself vanish. That is why I say the things I do. These are not just thoughts. These are my *experiences*.

I have felt compelled to try to explain my truth in a manner that can be comprehended...using words that I feel are woefully inadequate. But it's not in an attempt to change your mind. You must have faith in me asgardhr. I am not lost. No one is lost. That is not possible. Your soul and mind are one. There are no cross purposes. As it has been said before, the will of the father is the will of the son.

Ceci
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Freyja-I said "good seed". Inane me. Shouldve said "good tree"!

flower

A Yggdrasil!
asgardhr

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>>> I do not experience having an individual existence. My experience of "individualness" is getting less and less. I have felt myself vanish. That is why I say the things I do. These are not just thoughts. These are my *experiences*. <<<

You going for the Big Retirement? Sounds like death and disolution to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that! But be honest about what this loss of 'individualness' really means: it is the loss of a frame of reference. And when you lose that you also lose all experience.

Or, perhaps you are simply blurring the boundaries and creating a fuller more expansive experience....is that it?!
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Starting to understand what Monty is saying.

The Hero's journey is everchanging?
In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine
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"Or, perhaps you are simply blurring the boundaries and creating a fuller more expansive experience....is that it?!

I'm actually not sure what it means asgardhr. The sensations are fairly new...as in the last few months. But your interpretation may be fairly accurate.

There's still enough "me" here to not want to experience death yet. It does feel like there's something "I" want to "do"...but this brain wants to "do" it via being the behind the scenes creator...the director, producer, or writer of the script, not an actor. (even though this brain recognizes that playing any of those roles is still an acting part...to live is to act)

Thus I'm developing the new theory of experiencing life as the unmoved mover. The concept of not being a doer yet creating life experiences and recognizing my hand in the process via the actions of "others" is the best interpretation this brain can come up with to figure out how this "no I" experience fits into life. Thus my brain came up with the idea of creating via beliefs and creating vast experiences, but not being the *active* painter of the scene. It doesn't feel odd to me anymore to recognize that when a song or painting enters my life that "I" made that, even though "I" didn't physically paint it. This brain used to understand this concept intellectually, but the "I" didn't live it. But one day, "I" *felt* it. The painter, "I", and the painting all blur...can't explain it...no words really. The experience is very expansive, so huge that "I" can only liken it to being the probability cloud. The feeling is immense, and ecstatic...electricity and joy...so full of potential.

This brain may have made an interpretation error as to the meaning of these pondering events. The experience is new enough that "I'm" still all perplexed by "it".

Ceci (the words are terrible, I isn't the right word to describe the individuation...none of these words are right.)

Edit...maybe the best way I can explain it is when these feelings arise, I *feel* the concept of never having been born and knowing that I cannot die. For that instant, I'm everywhere, everything. Thus no separation of any kind. "Other" is me, I am "other".
asgardhr

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Monty? Who's Monty?!

Everchanging? A hero is a trail blazer, an advance scout. The hero goes into a Wilderness. The wilds, the feral realm. The only rules about that are practical ones...maintaining a vigilant focus and personal integrity...that sort of thing.

Most of the people here just want to dissolve back into the soup. As if their journey has come to an end, to a fulfillment. Hah! As if any of this - this world; our lives; is more than a rough beginning!

I dare say the Journey has barely begun.

bike
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Ceci-Yes, it is hard to delineate. But you will just have to overcome the generalities and absolutes of what you are feeling, and give it some teeth. 'All is One' does not work, and does not mean anything.

I'll give you a hint. I have taken my similiar experiences and made it into something I term "focused oblivion".
asgardhr

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>>> maybe the best way I can explain it is when these feelings arise, I *feel* the concept of never having been born and knowing that I cannot die. For that instant, I'm everywhere, everything. Thus no separation of any kind. "Other" is me, I am "other". <<<

I know. That is quantum singularity. There is no other. It is not that there is no 'you', but rather that there is only you. I. Oneness means ONENESS. And oneness IS 'I".
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"As if their journey has come to an end, to a fulfillment."

Oh asdardhr! There is no end. Being active by being passive is to attempt to experience creating by a method as close to the unmoved mover (god) as a brain can interpret.

It's just a creation method...no different than painting. But it's just "done" via quiet contemplation "versus" active participation in the play.

There is no returning to the soup. You never left the soup. That which was never born cannot die. Birth and death are illusions. They are illusory limitations to give the dream shape.

Ceci
cecirdr

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"'All is One' does not work, and does not mean anything."

Perhaps asgardhr. But perhaps it just didn't work for "you". Your story is not mine, thus there really is nothing anyone can "teach" to "others", nor should we expect that what works for us is the "right" way to live or experience life.

I really like miscreat's expression of fractal truth. This is just my truth, but it doesn't make it true.

Ceci (who is definitely noting what she's telling herself via the "others" on this thread. Looks like I've got a few conflicting beliefs. )
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Monty

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In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine
cecirdr

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Hi Celador,

Who's Monty?

hi

Ceci
Celador

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Ceci,

hi

Who is Monty?

Only Monty knows.

Her silences fill volumes

and she would gladly annihilate me for saying this

because we are once again imposing gravity upon her
In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine





GLP