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The Hero's Journey

 
Anonymous Coward
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01/11/2006 05:44 PM
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both have their judgment sets about the other group...and THAT is the duality hurdle of the new age.


Judgement...yeah...that is a bugaboo to get over. I'm on another forum and the judgement is running a bit high right now. It does appear that it is calming down a bit.

I've been wondering though, how society will move forward if we keep judging each other. It sounds naive since in places like this thread, it's easier to move past judging because we have somewhat common desires and experiences. How does society move past it when they're so widely varying in religions, education, level of agression, etc. I don't mean getting rid of disagreement completely, but I mean not letting disagreement escalate to the point of ruining relationships and on the larger scale, destroying countries, economies and/or causing war.

How can people change their actions toward each other so it's apparent that they can agree to disagree yet not appear to judge. IOW...how can you protect yourself from what you percieve to be coming from another, yet at the same time, not hurt them?

These tribal native types are actually the rulers of our countries right now. Well at least most of the countries and their citizenry is reflecting that. If we judge these natives, are we helping or hurting the overall situation? Will the change happen without them, or will the be a part of it anyway? If we don't judge, how can we get a new message through?
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01/11/2006 07:42 PM
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9034,

"Don't Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering."


The above is what came to my mind when I read your last post. It is from the *the four agreements*...i have a feeling you may know it.

Judgments belong to the judger. When someone judges you by telling you they do not approve of a choice in how you express in life, it belongs to them and how they perceive life. I see in life that there are times when judgement is necessary to discern behaviour *patterns* that a person exhibits in order to determine what state of consciousness the person resides in...such as traits and tendencies that are intended to limit expression of others.

Of course the trick is to keep it to yourself...for "internal use" only type thing so that you can determine how far oudont_use_thism you should keep that person.

I am working on that one all the time...keeping my mouth shut and just knowing what I am dealing with....not always successful with keeping mouth shut.
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01/11/2006 08:22 PM
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>>> Rained out on my ski trip came home this morning <<<<


Goddamn global warming wall
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Of course the trick is to keep it to yourself...for "internal use" only type thing so that you can determine how far oudont_use_thism you should keep that person.


lol gotta love that auto censor!

Yeah...I agree about the judging thing. It's hard to own up to your judgements, and it's hard not to judge. If you judge someone and pronounce it, then you may get caught in a tennis match of tit for tat.

Maybe it's a bit off topic for the hero's journey, but what are other people's impressions on how the larger society reacts and judges each other? IOW, when political situations cause one leader to perceive a threat, then react defensively. The consequences on a forum are arguments, but on the international realm, the consequences seem so much larger and can involve affecting the environment, economies, or access to food, fuel (the Ukraine/Russia natural gas fiasco), or even war.

Maybe the political leaders realize they made a mistake...then ego kicks in. Or like I said, they get caught up in a judgement round robin and all parties forget the original problem and now are focused on the endless argument of being "right".

Can the hero's journey of one person cause this to change? Will the hero who figures out his nature experience a change in his world? Is there separation of the hero from the larger world? If so, at what point is "reality" out of his hands? How many heros does it take to create a larger scale change?

Hey..do you have that info you mentioned earlier the light quotient one that discusssed what happens when one person heals?

Btw...too bad about the ski trip. Bummer..global warming does indeed sucketh.
mycos
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I'm just trying to say:
I've been reading some of this
and really, how many of us consider the time we waste
blogging, wondering how to "fix" things
cause for apparantly open minded people
a lot of us out here are waaaaay more egocentric than we're willing to admit
and you cant "fix" things
a way earlier comment about the appearance of enlightment creating a dilemma of a lack-there-of does well to point out certain subjectivities
mainly that these conflicts and dilemma's which we perceive are just that
ours
and the reason you're not going to get everyone to wake up is because you're too worried about them waking up into you're reality
whereas they have no conflict with there own
and why should they
In terms of subjectivity, we must remember these things and not be so self-rightious(because those of you who have abandoned western and christian self-rightiousness for eastern have only put a more easily self-acceptable facade on a jaded characteristic inherent in our capitalistic upbringings)
we must remember that although subjectivity reigns
there can be and is objectivity
the buddha taught that we should be thankful for our current states and realize that our time in this form is short....and therefore use that time to spread compassion
and compassion doesn't mean forwarding your own agenda or idea of what you think happiness is or what is good for others
it means putting smiles on faces
cause when you see that smile, you know you've done something
and that's what its about
doing something with the time we have
cause none of us can really know of an afterlife or whatnot
but we do know that with our time here we can actively be a part of this reality(whether it is a construct of our minds or what)
and in the taoist tradition
go with the way of heaven
so if nothing else
let the tao take care of itself
if its all-pervasive
it knows what its doing
and its doing it to itself
you're just a self-aware construct of it with no control
and that's what we all really need to admit here
a lack of "real" control
neway, at least don't hurt anything, or push ure version of right(excuse me: enlightenment) on someone elses version of right, it really only creates imbalance
which goes against the tao
and if people believe what they believe and are comfortable with that....
then that's their balance and it must therefore coincide with the larger balance
so let's all hold hands and sing as we scamper from order to chaos and back again
and to those of u who could follow
don't miss the main point within all the other philosophical outpour
which is to love thy neighbor,regardless
spread the love
share a smile
"when man replaces his love of power with the power of love, the world will find peace."-james marshall hendrix
and for those of you who miss that relation
love of power=desire for control, even your own petty desire to influence situations around and affecting you
which is really just a selfish desire to facilitate personal comfort, not a true want of helping others
peace
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the hero's journey : summary of the steps
This page summrarizes the brief explanations from every step of the Hero's Journey.

1. Departure
1. The Call to Adventure
The call to adventure is the point in a person's life when they are first given notice that everything is going to change, whether they know it or not.
2. Refusal of the Call
Often when the call is given, the future hero refuses to heed it. This may be from a sense of duty or obligation, fear, insecurity, a sense of inadequacy, or any of a range of reasons that work to hold the person in his or her current circumstances.
3. Supernatural Aid
Once the hero has committed to the quest, consciously or unconsciously, his or her guide and magical helper appears, or becomes known.
4. The Crossing of the First Threshold
This is the point where the person actually crosses into the field of adventure, leaving the known limits of his or her world and venturing into an unknown and dangerous realm where the rules and limits are not known.
5. The Belly of the Whale
The belly of the whale represents the final separation from the hero's known world and self. It is sometimes described as the person's lowest point, but it is actually the point when the person is between or transitioning between worlds and selves. The separation has been made, or is being made, or being fully recognized between the old world and old self and the potential for a new world/self. The experiences that will shape the new world and self will begin shortly, or may be beginning with this experience which is often symbolized by something dark, unknown and frightening. By entering this stage, the person shows their willingness to undergo a metamorphosis, to die to him or herself.

2. Inititation
1. The Road of Trials
The road of trials is a series of tests, tasks, or ordeals that the person must undergo to begin the transformation. Often the person fails one or more of these tests, which often occur in threes.
2. The Meeting with the Goddess
The meeting with the goddess represents the point in the adventure when the person experiences a love that has the power and significance of the all-powerful, all encompassing, unconditional love that a fortunate infant may experience with his or her mother. It is also known as the "hieros gamos", or sacred marriage, the union of opposites, and may take place entirely within the person. In other words, the person begins to see him or herself in a non-dualistic way. This is a very important step in the process and is often represented by the person finding the other person that he or she loves most completely. Although Campbell symbolizes this step as a meeting with a goddess, unconditional love and /or self unification does not have to be represented by a woman.
3. Woman as the Temptress
At one level, this step is about those temptations that may lead the hero to abandon or stray from his or her quest, which as with the Meeting with the Goddess does not necessarily have to be represented by a woman. For Campbell, however, this step is about the revulsion that the usually male hero may feel about his own fleshy/earthy nature, and the subsequent attachment or projection of that revulsion to women. Woman is a metaphor for the physical or material temptations of life, since the hero-knight was often tempted by lust from his spiritual journey.
4. Atonement with the Father
In this step the person must confront and be initiated by whatever holds the ultimate power in his or her life. In many myths and stories this is the father, or a father figure who has life and death power. This is the center point of the journey. All the previous steps have been moving in to this place, all that follow will move out from it. Although this step is most frequently symbolized by an encounter with a male entity, it does not have to be a male; just someone or thing with incredible power. For the transformation to take place, the person as he or she has been must be "killed" so that the new self can come into being. Sometime this killing is literal, and the earthly journey for that character is either over or moves into a different realm.
5. Apotheosis
To apotheosize is to deify. When someone dies a physical death, or dies to the self to live in spirit, he or she moves beyond the pairs of opposites to a state of divine knowledge, love, compassion and bliss. This is a god-like state; the person is in heaven and beyond all strife. A more mundane way of looking at this step is that it is a period of rest, peace and fulfillment before the hero begins the return.
6. The Ultimate Boon
The ultimate boon is the achievement of the goal of the quest. It is what the person went on the journey to get. All the previous steps serve to prepare and purify the person for this step, since in many myths the boon is something transcendent like the elixir of life itself, or a plant that supplies immortality, or the holy grail.

3. Return
1. Refusal of the Return
So why, when all has been achieved, the ambrosia has been drunk, and we have conversed with the gods, why come back to normal life with all its cares and woes?
2. The Magic Flight
Sometimes the hero must escape with the boon, if it is something that the gods have been jealously guarding. It can be just as adventurous and dangerous returning from the journey as it was to go on it.
3. Rescue from Without
Just as the hero may need guides and assistants to set out on the quest, often times he or she must have powerful guides and rescuers to bring them back to everyday life, especially if the person has been wounded or weakened by the experience. Or perhaps the person doesn't realize that it is time to return, that they can return, or that others need their boon.
4. The Crossing of the Return Threshold
The trick in returning is to retain the wisdom gained on the quest, to integrate that wisdom into a human life, and then maybe figure out how to share the wisdom with the rest of the world. This is usually extremely difficult.
5. Master of the Two Worlds
In myth, this step is usually represented by a transcendental hero like Jesus or Buddha. For a human hero, it may mean achieving a balance between the material and spiritual. The person has become comfortable and competent in both the inner and outer worlds.
6. Freedom to Live
Mastery leads to freedom from the fear of death, which in turn is the freedom to live. This is sometimes referred to as living in the moment, neither anticipating the future nor regretting the past.
 Quoting: Freyja






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