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The Hero's Journey

 
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 12:46 PM
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>>> Is that not the same for you and Kal? <<<

You've gotta be kidding Soph! This is not that mirror thing here. I'm talking about a core intent shared, not figuratively.
Sophia

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12/20/2005 12:50 PM
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It's nothing to do with a mirror, or even speaking figuratively, I was referring to us all being connected at our core.
Freyja  (OP)

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12/20/2005 01:27 PM
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one thing, one thing
this is what i desire, this is what i desire
sweet illumination, sweet illumination
that i may gaze upon His face
o, to know this man

sweet illumination, sweet illumination
to glory in the presence of the King
behold the sweet essence of this one thing
that i may know the Spring within me
as it rises the Spring, so sweet
* * * * *


this is what you see at your *core*...these are only words and can not truly reflect the depth of what it is like to reach the core and actually stand face to face with The King, but I can tell you it is sweet and it is nothing more than love. This sweet illumination is at all of our cores.

Why we do not all of us have the experience of casting their gaze on The Love that resides in the core?

Because they are covered up in beliefs...shoulds and should nots. These are blankets that obscures the radiant light that is at the core of our beings.

Having this expereince does strengthen the compassionate heart for those who have not yet uncovered this truth...but it certainly does not always come easy for me.

Sometimes even when you know the truth of the core of all our beings....the nescience and arrogance that others are immersed in makes it impossible for even myself to see their beauty.

Plain and simple...I have seen what we are...but i am not a saint, assholes are assholes from ignorance and closed minds. So we may be connected...but that does not oblige me to tolerate stupidity from the walking dead who cling to their dogmas and preach to others their warped views of truth.

Rant over.
Sophia

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12/20/2005 01:57 PM
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Nope, you don't have to do nutin you don't wanna do. Nice rant hugs

I guess, for me, I'm aware when something moves from a desire to prise open another's eyes to a desire to show the world how right I am... and how wrong "you" are. That's when I back off.
Freyja  (OP)

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12/20/2005 02:26 PM
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hmmmmmm surely this could not be about annihiation of the ego...or could it.

LOL


3. Woman as the Temptress
At one level, this step is about those temptations that may lead the hero to abandon or stray from his or her quest, which as with the Meeting with the Goddess does not necessarily have to be represented by a woman. For Campbell, however, this step is about the revulsion that the usually male hero may feel about his own fleshy/earthy nature, and the subsequent attachment or projection of that revulsion to women. Woman is a metaphor for the physical or material temptations of life, since the hero-knight was often tempted by lust from his spiritual journey.
Natasha
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12/20/2005 02:27 PM
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Watch this video of the FEMA Concentration Camp in Indiana.

Believe your own eyes. Think critically and employ a little common sense.

PLEASE, BEFORE IT DISAPPEARS AGAIN, USE THE LINK BELOW TO DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO AND PASS IT ON.


[link to www.lonelantern.org]
Sophia

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12/20/2005 02:28 PM
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-the revulsion that the usually male hero may feel about his own fleshy/earthy nature, and the subsequent attachment or projection of that revulsion to women. Woman is a metaphor for the physical or material temptations of life, since the hero-knight was often tempted by lust from his spiritual journey.-

do-do-do-do-do-do
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 02:35 PM
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>>> It's nothing to do with a mirror, or even speaking figuratively, I was referring to us all being connected at our core. <<<

Of course. Then, we might as well just stop talking!
Sophia

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12/20/2005 02:37 PM
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Now, who does that remind me of?? hugs
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12/20/2005 03:10 PM
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as i recall
you like kahlil

only when you drink from the river of silence shall you indeed sing


that guy could sing
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 03:22 PM
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>>> 3. Woman as the Temptress
At one level, this step is about those temptations that may lead the hero to abandon or stray from his or her quest, which as with the Meeting with the Goddess does not necessarily have to be represented by a woman. For Campbell, however, this step is about the revulsion that the usually male hero may feel about his own fleshy/earthy nature, and the subsequent attachment or projection of that revulsion to women. Woman is a metaphor for the physical or material temptations of life, since the hero-knight was often tempted by lust from his spiritual journey. <<<

Oh Campbell. Unfortunately the 'spiritual' journey is often just glorified over-thinking [i.e., abstraction] that humans are so prone to indulge. And with that they demonize physical reality - nature. And metaphorizing that as 'woman' adds insult to injury. The problem is that humans overall are not true materialists. They are lost in abstraction...the neurological nightmare architecture that has been built by civilization. They do not walk in Nature; they walk in a haze of their own thinking. And spirituality, so-called, often widens that gap.

If we are talking about heroes here then we are really talking about rogues. The heroe's journey is an alone journey - ultimately. S/He does not follow the common path, and is not a member of a consensus. S/He is feral. The hero strives to integrate hemispheres of reality - the abstract and the manifest - to a degree that is unthinkable to the rabble. The hero is a Wildling.
Sol Invictus

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"If we are talking about heroes here then we are really talking about rogues. The heroe's journey is an alone journey - ultimately. S/He does not follow the common path, and is not a member of a consensus. S/He is feral. The hero strives to integrate hemispheres of reality - the abstract and the manifest - to a degree that is unthinkable to the rabble. The hero is
a Wildling."

Well said :)

We had to study Campbell in highschool, and I think there is some truth to his talk of archetypes, but that's just a reflection of societal traditions... or a hint of the "Green Language", perhaps, even if he misinterpreted parts of it.

Archetypes exist, but they don't supercede the individual.

The archetypical hero must stand alone, though, or at least be able to if the situation calls for it. Otherwise s/he is just ultimately another follower. Thus the rogue angle is a good one.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
asgardhr

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Archetypes are a blessing and a curse.

Molding new archetypes....takes heroic creativity. [Odin knows I am trying!]
Sol Invictus

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"[Odin knows I am trying!]"

I know what you mean, but it wouldn't be worth it if it wasn't hard ;)

cheers
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
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12/20/2005 03:42 PM
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kinda partial to cranial nerve pairs meself

espeacially the vestibulocochlear

can't be helped munch i guess
Freyja  (OP)

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12/20/2005 03:43 PM
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But if we don't have archetypes what will we do with all the boxes?

Heretics and heathens have never been popular, especially on this board. It is preferred that we establish ourselves in proper conduct layed down by the rules of ancient doctrines. It is essential that we learn to submit to the will of our own personal favorite diety or burn in the hells of eternal damnation.

Down on your knees you rogue wild men while I whip you into submission to save you from your own feral natures.















butt whip
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 03:45 PM
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worship
Sol Invictus

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damned

Whatever doesn't kill us, only makes us stronger :)
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asgardhr

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12/20/2005 03:52 PM
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And to paraphrase Guðrún Kristín Magnúsdóttir, we do not serve any gods, we serve a purpose.

cool2
Freyja  (OP)

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what purpose would that be at this stage of your bloom?

this question has been gurgling up in me for a while now.

personally I have maybe a couple ideas but they too may be some old wiring.
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 04:17 PM
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That's what I am working on right now.

I need to form a comnprehensive archetype that I can walk, talk, eat, shit, sleep and breathe with.

A resilient and enduring fantasy that I will infuse my living reality with.
Anonymous Coward
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How should the soul grasp itself, however, in an act of knowing in which it must lose itself? It can expect selfknowledge only in an activity in which, step by step, it comes into possession of itself.

what a whirled
sounds zen
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 05:00 PM
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Self is self. A Singularity. You can't 'know' it: you are it.

It is the universe - the field of dreams - and the activity of creation that we are getting to know. Life.
Anonymous Coward
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12/20/2005 05:06 PM
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that was watts

you're it
yoused to love that guy
don't know this campbell guy
Anonymous Coward
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12/20/2005 05:08 PM
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you're it was watts
knot the grasping stuff
asgardhr

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12/20/2005 05:11 PM
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Watts was great. I really liked the slim series of hardbacks created by Mark Watts a decade ago:



Philosophies of Asia. Ed. Mark Watts, Tuttle, Boston, 1995.


Tao of Philosophy. Ed. Mark Watts, Tuttle, Boston, 1995.


Buddhism; Religion of No-Religion. Ed. Mark Watts, Tuttle, Boston, 1995.


Myth and Religion. Ed. Mark Watts, Tuttle, Boston, 1996.


Taoism: Way Beyond Seeking. Ed. Mark Watts, Tuttle, Boston, 1997.


Culture of Counterculture. Ed. Mark Watts, Tuttle, Boston, 1998.
Anonymous Coward
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12/20/2005 05:15 PM
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alan watts
waz hue i yapping about
from what seems like many moons ago

really not munch of science ether but this makes me laugh

ka ching

The use of an “absolute” reference frame is really just a way to add another dimensional measure to reality. Before developing the concept of additional dimensional measures, a definition of dimension is in order. A dimension is a measure of change. A unique or fundamental dimension is one that is required to describe or measure change which also cannot be similarly described by another dimension or description of change. For example, how many times I may smile in a day does describe a change in my face and it therefore may give rise to a “smile” dimension, from which it may be possible to establish some kind of “happiness” measure. The smile dimension could also be used to compare different cultures and result in possibly some kind of understanding about ourselves, but it would not be a unique dimension since other measures of change can also be used to measure happiness. Definition A dimension is a measure of change. Implicit in the definition of dimension is time. It is by the passage of time that change occurs. There is a direct association for each spatial measure of change, a temporal measure of change for most, if not all fundamental dimensions. For example, the distance between two points may be viewed as simply a change in distance, but there is also a temporal distance between the two points based upon principles established in the theory of special relativity. The proposed expansion of points in space is inherently tied to it’s own fundamental dimension of time. It is the intimate direct or structural association of dimensions of space with the dimensions of time that is responsible for the expansion of space to actually be the expansion of space-time. Now that it is proposed that dimensions are measures of change, how is the expansion of space-time described by a “new” or unobserved dimensional measure?

[link to www.uniformexpansion.com]
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Swimming Headless

"in the ordinary way you see, you say 'well that made quite an impressions on me' as if you were a slate, or a blackboard upon which life makes an impression as a chalk does on a slate or a blackboard... so we say 'well, here are these events and i am the observer of all these events... and i remember them and they make an impression on me...' but in the psychology of taoism, there is no difference between you as observer, and whatever it is you observe... the only thing that is you, is the observation of life from a certain point of view... i said a little while ago, you think your heads are empty and blank, but the actual inside of your head is felt in terms of everything you see on the outside... we make an opposition you see, between the thinker and the thought, the experiencer and the experience, the knower and the known. because we think about knowledge in terms of certain metaphors. the metaphor of the stylus on the writing sheet, the reflection on the mirror, all those sort of images come into our idea of knowledge... but in the taoist theory of knowledge it is quite different. there isn't a knower FACING the known. it would be more like, say, that if there is any knower at all, it contains the known. your mind, if you have one, is not in your head. your head is in your mind. because your mind understood from the standpoint of vision, his space. the chinese use this word 'ku' which means 'sky', 'space', and sometimes 'emptiness'... and there is a saying that form, or shape and color, and this, are said to be identical. space or emptiness is precisely shape/color and shape/color is precisely emptiness. this is actually a buddhist saying from the Treidia Sutra... so that all that we call space contains the myriads of shapes and colors and bodies and weights and so on... it doesn't reflect them as a mirror, but it is the absence which guarantees their presence, and it is their presence which guarantees their absence. so there is this mutual relationship again, the mutual arising expression between voidness and form, between existence and non-existence, being and non-being... these are never felt as alternatives or things that are in some kind of contest. so then, when it is said that there is NOT any thinker behind thoughts, not any experiencer who has experiences... this is a way of saying that experiencing, knowing, is not an encounter between strangers. western thought concentrates very much on knowledge as an encounter. and it is thus that we talk about 'facing facts', 'facing', as if somehow or other the knower and the known came from two completely different worlds and met each other like that... whereas actually the phenomenon of knowledge is almost the precise opposite of that. instead of being a collision between two wandering bodies in space, knowledge is much more like the expansion of a flower from the stem and the bud. where the opposite points of the flower are the knower and the known... they are the terms of something which as it were, lies between them. let me repeat... we tend, in all our metaphors and common speech, to think of life as an encounter between the knowing human, the knowing mind, and the world. they think of it, not as an encounter but as an expression, not an impression. an expression... of a process that has polarized itself. coming out from a center, and expressed itself in terms of opposites... of course this is the basis of the whole yan/ying tao principle..."
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12/20/2005 05:23 PM
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sorry about that
asgardhr

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Was a bit of a torrent I guess...'s okay!

Question is what to do with it.





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