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The Hero's Journey

 
Freyja  (OP)

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The way always comes out of the blue when you aren't even looking.....

Shake things up? (or)Passive creating?

The echoes of the unknown are making it's way to my ears but they are not distinguishable yet to the heart...i will move when it rises up and can't be stopped.
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this is how i came in so i guess this is the way i will go out

Stuntman Typecast As Guy Who Falls From Balcony Onto Table

LOS ANGELES—Billy Atchley's prodigious fall from a balcony onto a table in a 1997 episode of Walker, Texas Ranger launched a successful career—one which has included falls in Westerns, romantic comedies, and historical epics. However, the 32-year-old stuntman said Monday that he feels suffocated artistically.

"Producers, casting directors, even my own manager: All they see, or want to see, is a guy who falls from balconies onto tables," said Atchley, who was classically trained at the Tallahassee School For The Performing Feats. "But I'm also capable of giving quieter, more nuanced performances, like falling drunkenly down the stairs, or getting hit on the back of the head with a chair."

Atchley's versatility has occasionally been recognized by directors like Target Trigger's Josh Durkee, who hired the stuntman to fall from a veranda onto a desk, and later gave him a role falling from a terrace onto a bench. But such opportunities are rare, and often end up on the cutting-room floor. Atchley, despite having appeared in nearly 200 feature films and TV shows, said his true range has not been explored.

"I'd like to show the stunt-industry powers that be that I have a much wider range as a performer by throwing myself through a plate-glass window," Atchley said.

[link to www.theonion.com]
Freyja  (OP)

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* he feels suffocated artistically.*


funny how being in a box internally always shows up in your face.
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192 - yeah, coffin syndrome.

Freyja - guess I better put you on volcano alert!
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12/20/2005 06:36 PM
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Namaste...

Haha! I love you all! luvhf

What a strange and confusing world we exist on!
What a strange and confusing scenario we find ourselves in!

I understand the majority's point of view quite easily (I think?). Let me see if I got this right:

Love is everything, thus not a polarity but the fabric of existence itself. To take away love is to take away God/Source/ALL. Fear is an illusion that is the bi-product of Duality and as soon as we ascend beyond it - become all encompassing divine love.

With that said, being a former student of Buddhism I can see very easily where Kal is coming from. One of the biggest things I was taught was that there is no good and evil and that we must move beyond those choices to become enlightened. I later took this as meaning Love was ALL, and that Fear was the bi-product of choosing "good" (judging fear as wrong) and choosing "bad" (judging punishment as unfair). Recent contemplations have led me to question my above understanding.

I do not speak for Kal (rofl he'll most likely tell you that himself), but...

I believe his perception is that love is a polarity rather than the fabric of existence. Love will seek to eliminate Fear, Fear will defend itself by fighting back for its right to exist. Conflict will never end if the above is true (it might honestly not be, these are just musings admittedly).

I've never had the chance to speak with an enlightened Buddhist guru in person... So these are just guesses on my behalf. With that said, most "high-level" (been around for awhile) students I've spoken with conveyed to me that to eliminate (and to truly UNDERSTAND the reason behind your doing so) pleasure will eliminate pain. They paradoxically tell me that they are not recieving pleasure or pain but are also not numb to them.

:boggle:

The only way I can see this as being true is if Love is not the reason for bliss. If Fear is not the reason for pain. If it is only our PERCEPTION of it that we deem these energies as beneficial or harmful. To move beyond "gaining" love and to move beyond "losing" fear. With nothing to lose and nothing to gain we must be in perfect equilibrium - and thus, in bliss.

You're guess is as good as mine how this state of perception is achieved, most likely constant meditation and contemplation (or lackthereof).

I have very very selfish and selfless reasons for being here. I want to eliminate my own pain and after that, give the option to eliminate others' pains (honoring free will). If love is the way for me to do this, YES! If seeing past both "polarities" is the way for me to do this, YES!

I have no attachment to a particular style of thought. All I want is deliverance from this hell! To escape this constant insanity! I might be judging your (everyone's) motvies but I feel like that is the only true reason for searching in meaning beyond yourself. After all, if your're not looking to escape from pain and live in bliss you must already be there. (^_-)
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
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Sophia

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12/20/2005 07:22 PM
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I just watched Chronicles of Narnia.
Sophia

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HoH

-Love will seek to eliminate Fear, Fear will defend itself by fighting back for its right to exist.-

That's interesting to me. I wonder, when it is peeled right back, is fear, about not having some kind of love?...whether it is attention/validation from others, or self?

In each instance just what is it we "fear"?

If fear is about being scared of not being loveable (in its most bared back sense), is fear truly an opposite of love?
Dilatoriness

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12/20/2005 07:40 PM
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Love the fear too.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
Sophia

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Asghardr wrote

-I need to form a comnprehensive archetype that I can walk, talk, eat, shit, sleep and breathe with.

A resilient and enduring fantasy that I will infuse my living reality with -

We're all doing it all the time, even when we fight it.
Sophia

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I hear what you are saying Dil. When I love the fear enough to allow it to do its worst, it dissipates. I wonder why?
Dilatoriness

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12/20/2005 07:47 PM
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YEP!

Though it may appear difficult to even love fear it definitely works.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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It's the actual meaning of love yourself, means love all of yourself even anger and fear, but avoid to act the negative feelings out, and when you have nevertheless done so, then just surround that with love too.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
Dilatoriness

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"I wonder why? "

Was that question meant seriously Soph?

Cause Love is the power which solves everything, even if it may take longer sometimes and give us results we did not expect.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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Sophia
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That's interesting to me. I wonder, when it is peeled right back, is fear, about not having some kind of love?...whether it is attention/validation from others, or self?
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I used to believe that, but now I'm not so sure.
Here's what I've gathered in my lifetime and over last night:

LOVE IS ALWAYS BENEVOLENT. It will seek *acceptance*, *forgiveness*, *compassion*, and *tolerance* forevermore in all situations.

Thus, wrongs that are committed in the world are always *acceptable* and those who commited the wrongs are already *forgiven* and should be shown *compassion* (as even if they made the wrong choice they couldn't help it). So, we are *tolerant* of their choosing wrong.

Inversely:

FEAR IS ALWAYS MALEVOLENT. It will seek *rejection*, *condemnation*, *malice*, and *intolerance* forevermore in all situations.

Thus, the wrongs that are committed in the world are always *rejected* and those who committed the wrongs are *condemned* and should be shown *malice* (because it was THEIR choice to choose and they failed in choosing correctly). So, we are *intolerant* of their choosing wrong.

Wow! That makes a lot of sense to me! Let me see if I can better explain my way of thinking...

LOVE is the Darkness, the female, the energy that has empathy for her foes and only wishes them experience true emotional love, even if that means judging those who hurt her as good.

FEAR is the Light, the male, the energy that does not have any empathy for his foes and only wishes them to experience the morally correct, even if that means judging those that hurt him as bad.

We are in duality! We jump around from judgement to judgement!

Can anyone not see that? TRUE non-judgement means you cannot judge the situation as BAD ***OR*** GOOD! Judgeing something as loving is still judgement!

And that is why this speaks true to me... (-_-)
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
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Voltaire
Sophia

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If a tree can be a tree without judging itself to be a tree, why could I not be love, without judgment of any kind?
Freyja  (OP)

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12/20/2005 08:27 PM
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asgardhr

you are right again. stop it.

all this talk about spirituality is widening of the gap...seperating this into spirit, and this over here into mind, and then another box for the physical.

you can't stop pain by putting locks on your mind and sitting staring at your navel for hours every day....it stop's when you arrive at the place where you say enough and make the a choice to not induldge yourself with it.

let's move on to what is the purpose once you burn your rule book...what are we going to do with all this wholeness and power? Surely we did not just go thru all *that* to do all *this*. There has to be some purpose that is on the verge of making itself known....more than our paintings, writings and music, beyond that. I mean something big and mind boggeling that you have always known deep in your heart of hearts was your unique and special purpose.

I have always known, as I hear others say too...*I came for sumtan big*.

What is it? It has got to be more than atonement....that was cool and everything but what now? What do we do with this?


Thanks for this conversation..this is the question I have needed to ask myself for a while now.
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I'm guessing you currently feel that living and breathing your new state of being, of smiling that onto others, and those around you is not purpose "enough"?

Whoa! Not sure I'm here for atonement.
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I have had some of my best moments from fear...why put limits on it and kill it?

You can't kill it you can only lie about it's existance or put it to good use.

I put my fear to good use.

Hosts....you are the only person that can answer your questions. You are the author of your very own story and you can do with it what you please.

Choose thoughts that make you feel good or thoughts that make you feel bad.

It is really that simple and you know it.



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Freyja  (OP)

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no Sophia those are fringe benefits of my joy.


I am speaking of something that is beyond this current culmination of many cycles we are observing....breaking thru some boundries and moving beyond what has already been experienced.
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I saw Narnya yesterday and enjoyed it very much, Sophia.

Thank you for posting the Hero's Journey, Freyja. The timing for reading it was perfect for me. As for what's next, I hope the novelty is brilliant!
99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.

-Buckminster Fuller
Host of Heaven (#139)

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Sophia:
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If a tree can be a tree without judging itself to be a tree, why could I not be love, without judgment of any kind
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Hehe, I like how you think Sophia! hf
Very similar to me. (^_-)

First off, how do YOU know that the tree is a tree in the first place? Only YOU judge it to be a tree! If trees could talk english and relate their judgements this point might be moot... but alas, I haven't heard any do this while I've been around. (>_<)

I need to pry further into your thinking to be able to answer the rest honestly.

Example:
Person A takes out a gun and kills Person B.

Is this action:
Acceptable (love based)
Rejectable (fear based)
Neither (perception)
(or fill in anything else you prefer)

Care to answer?
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
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asgardhr

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I believe that Freyja has really hit the nail on the head with this thread.

Tonight when I went out I stopped at my local used bookseller. Just as I was wrapping up my visit [nothing of interest found] I ran into a book which I got. It could be the textbook for this thread!


THE MYTHIC IMAGINATION
The Quest for Meaning Through Personal Mythology
Stephen Larsen, 1990


Mythology is the universal tongue of human imagination. As a tool for self-discovery, mythology is also a way of gaining access to the secrets of the psyche. The Mythic Imagination is a quest for the ancient source of vision and meaning in the world of dream, myth, and archetype. In the footsteps of Joseph Campbell, Stephen Larsen guides the reader on a journey through the mythic landscape of the psyche. His insight is that all of us, at one time or another, are engaged in creating personal mythologies that reflect the larger myths of the culture and our own deepest desires and aspirations. This book is a guide for bringing the deeper mythic structures of experience into awareness, for learning to recognize the archetypal content embedded in our dreams and daydreams, feelings, beliefs, relationships, conscious creations, and behavior.

Student and authorized biographer of Joseph Campbell, Larsen teaches us how to bring myth into our lives.

[link to www.innertraditions.com]
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Freyja:

I know! But anything you say is the same for yourself as well! Why do we not share perspectives in a non-judgemental way? By listening to YOU and OTHERS here on this forum I have changed my own perception of truth MULTIPLE times!

Is this wrong?

I do not believe so... I am just finding out what feels most comfortable to me since the best truth is always self-actualized. So if you are saying that I should refrain from asking questions why do you want to limit my understanding? Isn't that being a bit fearful?

I am not trying to prove anything, as I know you are not trying to prove anything. We are simply on our own seperate QUEST for truth and Divine Love! I wish to pose these questions and hear the answers more for my own personal reasons that to affect anyone else's thinking.

If I misunderstood your words I apologize. So much can be lost between intention and understanding. (-_-)

I want to clairify... I believe that Divine Love is NOT love! Only through Divine Love can we see the truth. Only through Divine Love can we de-polarize ourselves and see past all of these illusions.

I could be wrong. If you say something that strikes me as true I will change my perspective again. (^_^)
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
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Voltaire
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hosts,

For me asking questions is one of the most challenging aspects in my life...it always has been this way for me.

I would rather have all my teeth pulled without novacaine then ask someone else for advise.

That is just me. If it works for you in your finding clarity then that is your way.

The spiritual allies that I have in my life have made it VERY clear to me that I am to climb alone. This message was given to me not long ago when I did break down and ask for assistance from an outside source...funny, the whole time I was speaking with this women my stomach was in knots. It was that night that I was shown to climb alone.

I am staying with that plan because it thrills me.
Freyja  (OP)

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asgardhr,

this part is what I am getting at here tonight...( your earlier post is what spurred this quest)

mythologies that reflect the larger myths of the culture and our *****own deepest desires and aspiration******


Uncovering that is now where I am going to focus. All this other stuff has already been expereinced and it is done (at least for me).

Miscreant you said *i hope the novelty is brilliant* me too and I am going to make sure that it is. It is up to us to make it that way...and this thread today has brought that to the forefront for me!
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Freyja: :luv:

I hope you have some novacaine for my questions! (^_-)

I am not understanding you very well after your last post addressed to me. If your journey is to be a lonely one I do not understand you being here on this forum. Are you quite certain that you are not trying to surround yourself with others who think similar to you? I admit that I am trying to do that. By finding people of like-mind we can share our experiences, share our lessons and musings, and COLLECTIVELY come out on top!

Though I whole-heartedly admit that the gyst of true wisdom comes from looking within! So maybe you meant what I meant but it just happend to have been said in a different way. (^_^)
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
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hosts,

I am not understanding you very well after your last post addressed to me. If your journey is to be a lonely one I do not understand you being here on this forum. Are you quite certain that you are not trying to surround yourself with others who think similar to you? I admit that I am trying to do that. By finding people of like-mind we can share our experiences, share our lessons and musings, and COLLECTIVELY come out on top!


The reasons for my being here have morphed into various forms over the last several years. The first part of my visit here was for ego gratification from making thread and having people say nice things to me. The second part of my time here was a little less of that and companionship with other freaky deaky's, and now this part seems to be about focusing my awareness thru writing what it is I hope to create in the new world. Today has been somewhat of a breakthrough for me in pinpointing where I want to be focused. So basically...it is all a trip into building awareness through focused writing, which for me has been a wonderful tool in discovering how and what I would like my reality to look like.

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Wow! Great post...
Can you not see me as doing the same? (^_^)

By writing here I am re-affirming what I want to think. By putting it in writting I am manifesting it more into my life. By manifesting it more into my life it is becoming my reality.

Perhaps seeking to surround myself with others of like-mind is incorrect and will only lead me to the seeing of others that do not share my perspective as not deserving of my love. If that is the case, I should probably change the way I'm thinking.


Anywho... to better clairify:
Divine Love is Unconditional Love. But just because it is unconditional does not mean that it does not lovingly punish incorrect perspectives. While I know right and wrong do not exist, I believe there to be right and wrong perspectives (oxymoronic, eh?). A perspective of ANYTHING other than unconditional love is incorrect. So if we love conditionally, we will be punished. Not so much by some outside entity as by ourselves.

Sounds true to me! WHY IN THE WORLD would I want conditional love to be considered an acceptable way of living for Creator Source and the Multiverses?

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I've been very "busy" for the past couple of days...and I spent some time today feeling snippy with myself for not having "my contemplation time". I've seemed so dragged down with the mundane always interrupting every 15 minutes yesterday and today. As I grumpily looked back on today, I finally got a minute of calm space, opened up my web browser and found this thread.

What a revelation to see a completely different way to interpret these last couple of days! Oh...how many times will I forget that everything I see and experience is me? The message and the messenger are the same. Thank "you all" for having this discussion. You really are reading my mind. hf

Perhaps I'm a bit attached to quiet contemplation and am not seeing how much of me that life is showing me in day to day existance. I grouse about loosing "my groove", and having to find the time to get back in the zone...I think I need to learn how to remember than I'm always in the zone. The words expressed here for me to see, were spot on about my latest "trials" and "distractions". Hahahaha!

Thanks again for this thread. I may not be posting much at the moment, but I do have the "time" to read and notice.

Ceci
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hugs Ceci

Grousing might be the spirit's clean out or a call to arms... or it's just grousing.





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