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The Hero's Journey

 
Freyja  (OP)

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Well....fake it 'til you make it...the Power of Pretense!

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Hero's tools of the trade.

Her body.
Her clothing.
Her hair.
Her hovel.
Her lands.
Her imagination.
Her hands.
Her feet.
Her tongue.
Her eyes.
Her ears.
Her laughter.
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The wind blew out from Bergen, from the dawning to the day
There was a wreck of trees, a fall of towers, a score of miles away
And drifted like a livid leaf I go before the tide
Spewed out of house and stable, beggared of flag and bride
The heavens are bowed about my head, raging like seraph wars
With rains that might put out the sun, and rid the sky of stars
Rains like the fall of ruined seas from secret worlds above
The roaring of the rains of God, none but the lonely love
Feast in my halls, O Foemen! O eat and drink and drain!
You never loved the sun in heaven, as I have loved the rain!

The tide of battle changes, so may all battle be
I stole my lady bride from them; they stole her back from me
As I wrenched her from her red roofed halls, I rose and saw arise
More lovely than the living flowers, the hatred in her eyes
She never loved me, never wept, never was less divine
And sunset never knew us, her world was never mine
Was it all for nothing that she stood, imperial in duresse
Silence itself made softer with the sweeping of her dress
O you who drain the cup of life! O You who wear the crown!
You never loved a woman's smile as I have loved her frown!

The wind blew out from Bergen to the dawning of the day
They ride and race with fifty spears to break and bar my way
I shall not die alone, alone, but kin to all the powers
As merry as the ancient sun, and fighting like the flowers!
How white their steel! How bright their eyes! I love each laughing knave
Cry high and bid him welcome to the banquet of the brave
Yea, I will bless them as they bend, and love them where they lie
When upon their skulls the sword I swing falls shattering from the sky
That hour when death is like a light, and blood is as a rose -
You never loved your friends, my friends, as I will love my foes!

Know you what you shall lose this night, what rich uncounted loans
What heavy gold of tales untold you bury with my bones
My loves in deep dim meadows, my ships that rode at ease
Ruffling the purple plumage of strange and secret seas
To see this fair earth as it stands, to me alone was given
The blow that breaks my brow tonight shall break the dome of heaven
The skies I saw, the trees I saw, after, no eye shall see
Tonight I die the death of God - the stars shall die with me!
One sound shall sunder all the spears, and break the trumpet's breath -
You never laughed in all your life, as I shall laugh in death!
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In the words of the Old French text of The Quest of the Holy Grail, if he [knight/hero] wants to succeed, he must enter the forest "at the point that he, himself, had chosen, where it was darkest and there was no path." The wasteland in the Grail legend is a place where people live inauthentic lives, blindly following the norms of their society and doing only what other people expect.

The myth of the Holy Grail was a watershed in the spiritual development of the West. It turned the crusading ethos on its head. Instead of marching to their adventure in the huge, massed armies of the Crusades, the Grail knights embarked on a solitary quest, riding into the forest alone. The destination of the Grail knights is not the earthly city of Jerusalem but the heavenly city of Saras, which has no place in this world...

[T]he myth of the hero shows that it is psychologically damaging to live in the wasteland...

The myths and laws of religion are not true because they conform to some metaphysical, scientific, or historical reality but because they are life enhancing. They tell you how human nature functions, but you will not discover their truth unless you apply these myths and doctrines into your own life and put them into practice. The myths of the hero, for example, are not meant to give us historical information about Prometheus or Achilles - or for that matter, about Jesus or Buddha. Their purpose is to compel us to act in such a way that we bring out our own heroic potential.
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another description of a hero's journey:

From the book "The Path"

" In false religions is the world entangled, And no one tries to learn the secrets of the Nam

The only ship that takes you safely across this world. The one who is too lazy to churn milk, and churns water, what will he obtain?

Can I possibly recount all the misfortunes of worldly people? They are caught in the snares of the world, and always keep on wandering without.

Work that brings a real reward, The work of meditating on the Word that is resounding in their inner selves,

To this task, they will not devote themselves."

Swami Ji
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Freyja

applause
cheers
asgardhr

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Kal-

What is this 'word'?

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asgardhr,

the one note sound of om you hear in stillness.

Nam....truth
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kundalini foot
that was great

thanks thanks
asgardhr

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I have a different sound.

But, you know how I am!

flower
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what is it then?

mine is a loud whistling sound.

i bet yours is a waterfall
asgardhr

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A storm.
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Generally speaking, I piss on most metaphysics these days. Most are ultimately a hinderance, and you just end up needing a brain enema afterwards. SETH is an exception for me. SETH was the Core of the 1960s/1970s New Age, and is/was a delight.

I found out about some newer publications a couple of years ago, but never got around to forking out the bucks. After all, I'd read a heap of SETH already. On Xmas Day I finally went ahead and placed my order for the whole shebang. These are the pure transcripts of Sessions 1 thru 510, beginning in 1963, thru 1968. Nine volumes. One reviewer calls this SETH UNVARNISHED. These books are not in stores [Such are these times].


SETH: THE EARLY SESSIONS
Volumes 1-9


They originate here - the Seth Center - [link to www.sethcenter.com]



Here are all the reviews I found at Amazon...
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"The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material" covers the period from November 1963 through April 1964, during which time Jane Roberts went into trance, while Seth, an "energy essence personality," dictated material that Jane's husband, Robert Butts, recorded.
"The Early Sessions" are the sessions as they were first recorded, beginning with the initial contact with Seth made via ouija board. To the reader, it's like being there. Seth's material is, as always, excellent, thought-provoking, wildly informative and, to some, controversial. In Book I, the Seth personality is most vivid-funnier, saltier, more opinionated, and more free-wheeling than he seemed to be in the earlier volumes.
To those of us who have been reading Seth since the beginning, this book is interesting in that it fleshes the material and also includes much that was given as personal comment to Mr. & Mrs. Butts, but which applies to us all.
The Seth books are unique in that they go into actual explanation and description of the workings of not only the human psyche but our world as we perceive it. He gives us a look the "that man behind the curtain" who creates our particular Oz.
Seth's message is, and always has been, that we are greater than we know, and have access to resources we have barely begun to sense. He offers practical suggestions on how to gain more intimate knowledge of ourselves, and of our cosmic birthright, through the exploration of our own psyche. Seth presents, in simple terms, astounding concepts.
The books are nicely printed with large type-although they do have those soft covers that tend to curl! Anyone who has been reading Seth all along, will relish the detail and will not find the material at all redundant.
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Jane Roberts revolutionized spiritual exploration and Channeling with her Seth books in the 60's and 70's. I had the good fortune to study with Jane in 1974. By that time her channeling had grown sophisticated and focused on the way we create our reality with our conscious beliefs. The books from that time are the place to begin understanding Seth, i.e. Seth Speaks and The Nature of Personal Reality. Possibly this book and the others with the sessions from the early years would be among the last Seth books I would suggest one read, but they are wonderful. For the real Seth fan, they not only elaborate on and anticipate ideas Seth later explains, they have a certain freshness and they contain hints with useful information about directions Jane chose not to go in.
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In this and all the Seth works Seth/Jane take all the mystery out of the mystical ranks that for so many seems to be another ego project ("I'm more spiritually advanced than you are because I saw the edge of the transpersonal realm once when I slipped on a bar of soap in the shower and I can speak ambiguous circles around anybody"). Instead of vague descriptions of nirvanic states from other authors you get matter of factly description of the nuts and bolts of reality. Instead of non-specific meditation techniques you get instructions for accessing psychological time and information on what other planes you might access (dream world) with this procedure. You get a detailed description of reincarnation, the subconscious, inner self and inner senses. Those who don't appreciate Seth either haven't read enough Seth or didn't understand it. I've also run into those 'elitist' types who think that their understanding is above the Seth teaching. These types usually have read only a few quotes or a single book and no background in psychology. I initially read "The Nature of Personal Reality" and didn't think much of Seth until I read "The Seth Material". I've read every Seth work at this point and look forward to the rest of this series. As far as the fact that this is a channeled work. DO NOT let your ego discredit this material because of the source, this is the real deal.
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In this wonderful little volume, you see Seth, Jane & Rob in a less 'cosmetic' way than you see them in the "Seth Books" per se. For example, Jane used to pace around the room while delivering material from Seth.
The various reincarnational stories Seth gives about people Jane & Rob know (as well as about Jane & Rob themselves) can make for very compelling reading. You may find yourself examining your own life and circumstances (or those of friends and loved ones) looking for the parallels.
There are also fairly detailed "scientific" ideas from Seth on how the physics of reality works. Some readers may want to gloss over these areas.
You will also notice that Seth is a very humorous soul. His affection for Jane & Rob is immense. This volume definitely put a new spin on the Seth books for this reader. Enjoy!
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This gives a better insight on how "Seth" came about. This book shows a steady day by day, on how Seth organized his teachings. It also shows how it took Jane Roberts awhile to let the information come through her while on the Ouji Board. As always rereading her material there is always new insight on learning mankinds natures. No matter what book you read of the Seth collecton you will learn value of life and the reverance to perserve it.
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Those at all familiar with Jane Roberts' Seth Books will recognize "an old friend". This is the "unvarnished" Seth, a drama of discovery which we are priviledged to witness when Jane and Rob were young. For those unfamiliar, if you are tired of this culture's habit of large questions without adequate answers, if you seek truth with a captial "T", if you really must know "what it's all about, Alfie", read Seth. For those leading-edge physicists who can't understand Bell and Bohm and quantum mechanics, read Seth. This Material is a Great Light to the World -- I do not exaggerate -- which all would benefit from reading. The Truth is that physicality emanates from consciousness and not the other way around. It's the only view that makes any sense, incorporates all the facts. We do not live in a value-free universe, we live in a value-infused universe. Well, check it out. If you MUST KNOW, you'll love this stuff.
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Instead of non-specific meditation techniques you get instructions for accessing psychological time and information on what other planes you might access (dream world) with this procedure.


For me, I have always gotten far more from the dream state then in meditation.I have sometimes wondered if i was *doing*(lol) something wrong....even though mediatation has provided my with some symbols on the third eye screen that were fun to look at and the bliss is pretty incredible. The dream state is where I have total acesses to my allies and messages directly from Spirit. On the snowy fields that I find myself in the dream state I meet with allies and am given all I have asked for during mediatation.

Does this happen for you too? do you meditate? I have found that in the higher realms meditation is just not that big of a deal. I can undersatnd how for those who have mind chatter would benefit or if they have not yet acessesed natural states of joy. My mind is pretty still these days.
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one more thing...whistle is not good.

you know the sound that mercury vapor lights make it...that hum...sorta electrical like a transformer...that is the sound only higher pitch.

I selected *thunderstorm* on my sound therapy machine that I sleep with last night. It was nice!
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Yes, thunderstorms. Love them!

No meditation for me. Such endeavors seem to widen the gap....this is regular life here, and this is the meditative over here. I prefer to have something more continuous, and subtle. I do however spend a Lot of time outside. I read on the porch each evening, cumulatively at least a couple of hours [right now it's the Song of Ice and Fire saga, after that the Unvarnished Seth most likely]. Up until the cold hit I was playing guitar up to four hours, outside every day, mostly in the late hours. Another primal meditation that I relish is the bathroom - a waterfall to me - twice, sometimes thrice per day.
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i am thinking meditation is good for beginners and those who can't keep their balance in their daily lives so they feel more *spiritual* escaping from the world. Which is good till they learn they can be naturally quite and still with lifestyle choices.

i have another canvas on the easel and all my paints and brushes ready....but for now...nothing but limbo.


limbo is good...it is like twilight isn't it?
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Twilight....is Ragnarok. It is both Point Zero and everything which goes into it and comes out of it.

Painting may be the most exalted spiritual activity: it is a true marriage of mind and matter. One of the things I have learned is that Intent must needs be partnered with Physicalization, in some form, to have any significance, any effect. Best it is done at once, the thought and the gesture.

Here is a painting that resonates with my Ragnarok, by Christophe Vacher: [link to landfantasy2.free.fr]
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that is an interesting painting.

visually i have always seen lushness and life for zero point

edited...the links are not working for my last painting...i will try something else
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no luck!

must not be meant to be
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[link to img436.imageshack.us]
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Your link works fine for me.

Ragnarok for me is vast and sparse and dark. Like the Northern Lands. The near arctic. Life there is spare, but beautiful.

Here is another by Vacher called 'Automne' [his figurative work is generally unsatisfactory, but this one is nice]: [link to epilogue.net]
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that is very beautiful...you think his figurative work unsatisfactory? he seems amazing to me if you like this sort of painting...his technique is so precise.

this is shakti...mathematician thinks it was modeled after him:

[link to img270.imageshack.us]
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Did he now?! I never would have suspected!

We each have our own Feeling that we cherish, and each of our Ragnaroks will be an expression of that Feeling. Mine has a Shakti too, though I could not find you a suitable representation to illustrate that at this time. I would have to paint it myself...eventually. My Vision is dark, in part to convey mystery, which is the feeling of vastness. And it is lit from within, more than from without.
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he has a cd out he gave me the link to it on amazon. the cover is his face. and *she* certainly does have his look.

i will find the link for you if I can rememebr where I put it.
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A CD too. More and more interesting. Any remembrance of Artist/Title that I can use to search on?
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remedy (Audio CD)
~ Jovan
Original Release Date: February 1, 2000
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here he is!





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