WHO is REALLY a "MARXIST"?

salimandr

I'm not saying I'm liking it or not...but what recourse is there?

many many liberties were also restricted during WW 2 and we survived.
(I think).

Are you READING 58?

There is a CLEAR difference between POLITICAL ASSASINATIONS and actual assasinations (like Allende), which is why I said POLITICAL.

You must have done GREAT on the language and reading part of the SAT

perjury.

heck...constitutional parts on the president and his/her duties...where does one see the ability to have NSA spy illegally ...without legal warrant...on USA citizens??

here you are: Section. 1.
Clause 1:

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years,8 and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Clause 2:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Clause 3:

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.9

Clause 4:

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Clause 6:

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office,10 the Same shall devolve on the VicePresident, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.


Clause 7:

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Clause 8:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section. 2.
Clause 1:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Clause 2:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Clause 3:

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

"many many liberties were also restricted during WW 2 and we survived."

Yeah, those Japs they threw in detention camps for 5 years were FINE! No harm done! The republic survived! And they got a nice little pay off from Reagan anyway! No harm no foul!

WHATEVER!

I got a 720 actually.

The term you are looking for is CHARACTER assassination.

58,
perjury, yes...hmmmm.

i don't think in order to "protect" a country...you use spy tactics...the fbi did that in the 50's-70's and in what ways was America protected better through it or by it? sure, some actors and actresses couldn't get work due to it...but it didn't help the average citizen joe.

see...it's just like i don't see how caging the USA in with a fence across the border...will stop illegals from entering...ya know?

breaking the law (constitution) isn't going to stop anything...but encourage more breakage of said law...and i can't find the war act you're speaking of....

to add some lightness...(not as in light)...i did have to chuckle when i saw that bush had pardoned a dead guy.

doesn't anyone do checking of stuff for him so he doesn't always come off as some bozo?

but in a time of war is the interception of overseas communication an "unreasonable search"?

it all does seem to be a bit pyrrhic...

...we must lose our freedoms in order to protect them.

58,
you said: "but in a time of war is the interception of overseas communication an "unreasonable search"?

when that search includes a non legal no warrant gathering of information on USA citizens...of course it's an unreasonable search! the president can choose legal ways of doing things or not...just as you or i might/may not...we would be held accountable for our breakage of the law...so why not the president?

"it all does seem to be a bit pyrrhic...
...we must lose our freedoms in order to protect them."

we do not need to lose our freedoms in order to protect them...never. we can just allow them to be taken because someone wants them gone is suppose...but that's really...unAmerican in ways...isn't it?

let me rephrase that...
i don't care if there is communication overseas...if the people doing the communication aren't breaking any laws and aren't seeking to harm...in other words...innocent...they should not be spied upon...whether they are citizens of the USA or not...freedom you know...

my country tis of thee...sweet land of liberty...

lest any forget.

hmmmm, 'nother interesting story/article/opinion on propaganda...

[link to www.swans.com]

excerpt from article:
"The 1.5 million Iraqis the UN says have died from sanctions-related causes? Iraqi propaganda.

The thousands of Yugoslav civilians who died during NATO's 78-day air war against Yugoslavia in 1999? Propaganda.

The war crimes the US committed against the Serbs and Iraqis, against Afghans and Sudanese? Propaganda.

When NATO missiles destroyed the Serb Radio-TV building, killing civilians inside, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said the attack was necessary to shut down Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's "propaganda machine." But Serb Radio-TV was relaying pictures of the extent of devastation NATO bombs were wreaking on civilian infrastructure, and people. Not soldiers, and police, but old ladies, and children, and, well, people who looked like you and me. It made people in the West wonder whether bombing was the answer. It made them ask questions and squirm in discomfort and wonder about the war's morality.

And one thing you can't have is the public going soft on you. No sir! You don't want a repeat of what happened to former president Lyndon Johnson. When he looked out his window in 1968 to see hundreds of thousands of protesters, he knew, then and there, the Vietnam war was lost.

Astonishingly, the attack on the Serb broadcasting building, a blatant war crime, has never been the object of a war crimes indictment, but then hundreds of war crimes committed by the United States in other wars have been sheltered from prosecution, too. It helps when you have a veto over the Security Council. It helps when you refuse to approve an International Criminal Court that could impartially prosecute war crimes, demanding blanket immunity from prosecution as the price of your approval.

Instead, the Hague Tribunal, a creation of the UN Security Council, and therefore under the control of the principal members of NATO, threatened to indict Milosevic for the attack. Milosevic knew of the attack in advance, the Tribunal's chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte charged, and failed to warn the civilians inside, a cynical ploy to use their deaths for propaganda purposes.

See the pattern?
Commit outrages, trample international law, ignore international protocols banning attacks on civilians, and then, when the other side complains, and the public gets restive, dismiss it all as propaganda.
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would bush trampling constitutional law fit in there?

58,
i asked your opinion on a few things that another had posted about...i wasn't attacking you and i'd really like an apology for this: "please specify, otherwise you are talking out your ass again"

i "talk" as respectfully as i can to each person i run across...and i expect the same in return...see?

i see America going backwards...not forward...and it is so sad.

58,
oh heck...even if ya don't give an apology...i forgive ya...it's hard times for all right now i think.

I am a Marxist...
Me and him used to date..eons ago..

we are putting the cart before the horse, if we had secure borders,,, we would not have to be spying on our people

58,
according to this...it was the presidential order...not any war law...that was signed and being followed by bush:

"Bush allowed the NSA “without court approval” to spy on Americans, according to the Los Angeles Times. “For several years after the presidential order was signed in 2002, the intelligence agency monitored calls and e-mails of hundreds of people in the country to search for evidence of terrorist activity,” that is to say they “monitored” Americans who have disagreements with the government, since there aren’t any terrorists (outside of the White House and the Pentagon) in the United States. “It said the previously undisclosed decision to permit some eavesdropping inside the country without court approval represented a major shift in U.S. intelligence gathering. The NSA, based at Ft. Meade, Md., is authorized to monitor communications on foreign soil.”
[link to prisonplanet.com]

malu,
of course not...because no one who is a USA citizen would ever do anything against their country? therefore...let's fence up?

hmmmm...seems nixon was a citizen.
hmmmm...seems bush is a citizen.

what's that tell you?

i just think we should have stricter border controls, we have around 60 million illegals in this country, that's a problem

of course our governments are going to spy,,, but there better be some due process, especially when it is going to be on citizens,,,,i used to be in the michigan militia,,,, one of my best friends was the top dog,,, i am well aware of what goes on

malu,
i found it interesting that the "minute men" did a better job at stopping drugs coming across the border (in the area where they were)...than the border patrol were doing.

we were a country that fought to take down the wall in germany...remember?

now we are a country that builds walls and what has changed to cause this?

Groucho, Harpo and Zeppo, duh!