Evidence of Jesus, Heaven, and Hell, as described in the Bible.

So he ended up in church to be abused and brainwashed and having to fork over ten percent of his cash...satan really knows what hes doing with these delusions.

hell is a lie...and satan LOVES to lie to further his agenda.

Ow shit do they look like this?

I know where you're coming from. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness as well. I was told, a loving Father, wouldn't punish his son, by keeping his hand eternally on a stove. Believe me, accepting hell is really hard. After I left, the JW's, I explored the new age belief heavily, and considered myself a new ager.

In one experience, as I was waking up, I heard clearly in my mind, "if you do good, you won't have to transmigrate." At this time, I didn't know even know what this word meant. It means to reincarnate. I also read Allan Kardec's Spirit Book. Which states, that we would continually reincarnate, continually getting better and better. This system, if created by God, made more sense to me, than a place of eternal torment. If you did bad in a life, you would be punish by unfavorable circumstances, which again to me, seems more fair and just, than being burned for eternity.

So I then, believed in reincarnation for several years.

But

So far, all I've shown, testimonies of near death experiences, of people seeing hell. But, there's more evidence than this that supports the existence of place of eternal torment. So when I now step back, and examine all evidence, everything is now pointing to the fact, that hell is indeed real.

an all knowing and all loving god wouldn't have created the world if he knew beforehand that billions of people would be left to suffer in hell for all eternity.

all he experienced is what his beliefs hold. since your beliefs create your reality... if you hold these beliefs.. enjoy your hell... hopefully you wont be there too long before your dumbass gets a clue and realizes the truth of everything.

My father died on the operating table, and then was brought back to life at the last minute. Guess what: he's still an atheist!

That doesn't explain, the multiple atheists, who don't believe in God, heaven, hell, and Jesus, are seeing heaven, hell, and Jesus in their near death experiences.

Explain the ones that don't, like my father.

But you just automatically discount the thousands of stories of past lives? If you believe every testimony from people, then you must believe in aliens and other religions as well.

Some people dream, and some people don't. Does this mean, that all people don't dream?

think again.

I went in that circle for a while too but it never made sense.

So I began looking again and found this website.

www.tentmaker.org

I DARE you to read the articles.

Dont be afraid..they wont bite and you will be so glad you went to the trouble to look.

Dreams aren't real and Jesus, heaven and hell are even less real. What you describe is not evidence of anything, nor is anything that is written in the Bible or other volumes of ancient mythology.

Yes, there are indeed past life stories. I'm still looking into this. Here's the trap, that most people will now fall into, that I will elaborate upon, in a future post. Let me first ask, what do you know about angels?

The dream, is an analogy, for near death experiences.

Let me elaborate. Let's say you have 10 people who died. Five of these people, didn't have a near death experience. The other five people did. Now, since you're dad didn't have a near death experience. According to your logic, with this one experience, you now claim, that those other 5 people must automatically be lying. Similarly, as an analogy. If one person has a dream one night. And another person doesn't dream. Does the mean, that nobody ever has dreamt a dream, because that one person you know, didn't have a dream?

"What you describe is not evidence of anything, nor is anything that is written in the Bible or other volumes of ancient mythology."

That's why, I intend to keep this thread updated, with more evidence.

"But you just automatically discount the thousands of stories of past lives? If you believe every testimony from people, then you must believe in aliens and other religions as well."

Let me add, if you do a deep study of the demons, know their powers, their extreme intelligence, and deception, a lot of pieces of the puzzle, that once seemed contradictory, will begin to fit and make sense.

I don't think you understand what evidence is.

there is no heaven and hell. when you die your thoughts create your after life. if you were good you will see good thoughts if u were bad u will see bad thoughts. there is no God. No Devil.

Your government paycheck is real. What you describe is only evidence of disinfo. Nice try though. Try your own evidence argument sometime.

These aren't facts. There's also books, movies, and merchandise for Spiderman, but that doesn't make him any more real.

According to this logic you can believe in God and see him in the afterlife. Thanks for your input.

Try to disprove something from the bible.

Video has information that supports the belief in hell. This is only one piece of information. There's much more.

As it is believers who make extraordinary claims, and as one cannot logically prove a negative, the burden of proof is on the believers. Nonetheless, Christianity is not credible. Any deity who made up the nonsense found in the Bible is a third-rate god not worthy of my respect.

LOL and my girlfriend just told me today Australia was the new headquarters for Satanism. THanks for proving her point, fuckwad!!

No u misread it actually, your thoughts create your after life, if u had Evil thoughts you go to the Lower Astral Plane, if you had good thoughts u go to the Higher Astral Plane. the lower astral plane is where u go if u are in denial that you are dead. you become a ghost, its also where the evil people go. i guess u could say hell, without a devil and fire and pain. the higher astral plane is where good people go. its heaven without God and fluffy clouds and Jesus. or u can just reincarnate

remember this is just another dimension you go to when you die. its NOT heaven. its NOT religious in anyway. its where you go when you Astral Project. the lower astral plane is where you go when you have an OOBE.

[link to www.astralvoyage.com]

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Try to prove Peter Parker didn't get superpowers after he got bitten by a radioactive spider. You can't, can you? But we all know it's horseshit.

I looked at three articles, and they do make very good cases for hell not existing. What I really like is the idea of universalism. But, when I examine all the evidence, that's I've researched for many years. Everything is still pointing to the fact that hell is real.