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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7308596 United States 04/06/2013 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've got some information I could run through about that intuitive stuff, aether. As the day goes, I'll run through some of it and grab note anything concerning intuition and its relationship to the collective. Quoting: Septenary Man That is one way we can pin down and distill the laws. I still like the saying "think with your heart and not your head".. intuitive vs ego..so the laws would need to assist in centering the heart? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 04/06/2013 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've got some information I could run through about that intuitive stuff, aether. As the day goes, I'll run through some of it and grab note anything concerning intuition and its relationship to the collective. Quoting: Septenary Man That is one way we can pin down and distill the laws. I still like the saying "think with your heart and not your head".. intuitive vs ego..so the laws would need to assist in centering the heart? Sort of, but it is deeper than that. You can still think with your head, you just need to know which way, or how, to 'think' in the way that leads to intuitive results. Look at my post last night, and it is an example of what I mean when I say that you can still think with your head, you just need to know 'how' to think to end up with intuitive results. I'm not sure of your question, but I'll just go with the flow. Quoting: Septenary Man What I meant by what I wrote, is that people hold onto their beliefs and ideologies as if they are written in stone, never wanting to change them, even if it is what they need to do. When you change, you do not become something unrecognizable to anything anywhere, IMO. I don't know why you would say that. People can change in very common ways of understanding. The point is to make yourself fluid. You can break, bend, or flow with change. Change occurs only in two places, from within and from without. I have changed more in the last 6-7 years than probably in my entire life. Yet, I am still recognizable. The changes I made and the ideologies and the learning and who I am is still recognizable. Some do not even see the changes in me by looking on me from the outside, though on the inside there have been massive changes. Why wouldn't it be something that can be known at all times? It is called awareness. There is an awareness of your inner aspects, and awareness of the outer environment, and your relationship between the two. Why do you feel that is something that you cannot know? I will tell you that it is entirely something you can know, but there is many processes and...liberating experiences that must be worked on to come to that state. Ever try to stop lying? Even little white lies. Try it for a week. Do not lie to yourself, and do not lie to anyone around you...again, not even little white lies. Do this all the time, and you will find where every tiny weakness of yours resides. There are many other deeper ways to explore deeper aspects of self, but not telling a lie is where it all begins. You cannot know yourself, if you do not recognize how much you lie to others, and to yourself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 04/06/2013 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference and/or the use of reason.[1] "The word 'intuition' comes from the Latin word 'intueri' which is usually translated as 'to look inside' or 'to contemplate'."[2] Quoting: wiki[link to en.wikipedia.org] You begin a sequence of thinking in a way that leads to the ability to 'acquire knowledge without inference'. That is what I meant earlier when I said it needs to result in intuitive behaviors that are 'second nature' to your actions/reactions...and even the sequence of the way you 'think'. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 04/06/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Carl Jung's theory of the ego, described in 1921 in Psychological Types, intuition was an "irrational function", opposed most directly by sensation, and opposed less strongly by the "rational functions" of thinking and feeling. Jung defined intuition as "perception via the unconscious": using sense-perception only as a starting point, to bring forth ideas, images, possibilities, ways out of a blocked situation, by a process that is mostly unconscious. Quoting: Jung in IntuitionAbove, it is said as if intuition cannot be a learned behavior. Or rather, it is said as if the rational mind cannot 'think' in a way that leads to intuitive knowing. I KNOW that it can. But, it takes immense awareness of self and the relationship of self to all that is not self in order to pull off. Jung said that a person in whom intuition was dominant, an "intuitive type", acted not on the basis of rational judgment but on sheer intensity of perception. An extraverted intuitive type, "the natural champion of all minorities with a future", orients to new and promising but unproven possibilities, often leaving to chase after a new possibility before old ventures have borne fruit, oblivious to his or her own welfare in the constant pursuit of change. Quoting: Jung in Intuition, extravertAgain, he is supposing that intuitive types do not sequence their thoughts in order to lead to intuitive perceptions or behaviors. He is positing that intuition is the first process. Normally, that is correct, and has been. But, it recently came to me that it does not have to be the first process. Perhaps it can be a learned trait, or one that can be vastly heightened, by thinking in a specific sequence (through awareness), that leads to the result of intuitive knowing. An introverted intuitive type orients by images from the unconscious, ever exploring the psychic world of the archetypes, seeking to perceive the meaning of events, but often having no interest in playing a role in those events and not seeing any connection between the contents of the psychic world and him- or herself. Jung thought that extraverted intuitive types were likely entrepreneurs, speculators, cultural revolutionaries, often undone by a desire to escape every situation before it becomes settled and constraining—even repeatedly leaving lovers for the sake of new romantic possibilities. His introverted intuitive types were likely mystics, prophets, or cranks, struggling with a tension between protecting their visions from influence by others and making their ideas comprehensible and reasonably persuasive to others—a necessity for those visions to bear real fruit.[8] Quoting: Jung in Intuition, introvert[link to en.wikipedia.org] So, what we need to do is merge the extrovert intuitive type with the introvert intuitive type, with the ability to structure awareness within thinking to lead to intuitive results. The practice of both extrovert and introvert types of intuitive abilities is needed to make it a clean working model. It states that the introvert intuitive type "...often having no interest in playing a role in those events and not seeing any connection between the contents of the psychic world and him- or herself." While the extrovert does the opposite. He/she ties their intuitive abilities for outer rewards. They both need to be reflected. The inner intuitive types need to bring their talents (within the self) and manifest it within their relationship with outer self (all that is not self). The outer intuitive types need to bring their talents (intuition manifestations outside of self) and manifest it within their inner self. The ability to merge these two and use them to full extent in the relationship between self and all that is not self, is the ability of the Shaman. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 04/06/2013 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even here, as defined, it is said that intuition is not a learned trait. I call shenanigans on that! in·tu·i·tion Quoting: Dictionary[in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-] Show IPA noun 1.direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension. 2.a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way. 3.a keen and quick insight. 4.the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight. 5.Philosophy . a.an immediate cognition of an object not inferred or determined by a previous cognition of the same object. b.any object or truth so discerned. c.pure, untaught, noninferential knowledge. [link to dictionary.reference.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036731 Canada 04/06/2013 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will all be rationally broken how about 10 windows of insight? the glass may be broken but the vision beyond the wall... There is no conciousness without/beyond the wall(invariable repetition in perfect act). Within there is the awareness of the circuit of form (conciousness). Think and you will fail. Fail and you will think. 1 circuit. That is why success is not of memory, but the stuff of personal myth, constructed afterward. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 04/06/2013 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | maybe intuition is accessing memory. what is your definition of it SS, and how is it different from instinct? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29203778 just curious.. since you brought it up. Intuition goes with sentience (knowledge). Instinct goes with carnal impulses. Of course, they overlap to a certain extent. |
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aether (OP) User ID: 37303863 United Kingdom 04/06/2013 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings Everyone Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~< It is a gorgeous day here on the coast , sun shining , perfect temperature ...ahh spring :ohmyz: Will be back and drop in tomorrow , enjoying the day today :) here is my contribution for the day don't get too dizzy from it Much Love To You All :whatupyo: do i see a flower upon the flower of life when i look away i do Last Edited by aether on 04/06/2013 01:09 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 04/06/2013 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, I backed up, lol. I was using rationalization to arrive at descriptions of Intuition. Instead, I decided to work the other way around. I went on a long drive...I came up with six though the third can be one. I tried holding them in my mind, but may have lost one. Oh! Nevermind, just remembered it. I think this is a good start anyway. BTW, I did not arrive any of this by 'looking things up', I arrived at them by my own background of experiences, and 'intuition'. ______________ ~ All Intuition is Consciousness Not all Consciousness is Intuition ~ Intuition is within Rationalization (sequential thinking) Rationalization is not within Intuition ~ Intuition is non-sequential a. Intuition arrives in packets, therefore Intuition is FTL, therefore Intuition arises from non-material. b. Rationalization arrives from sequential thinking, therefore rationalization is Sub-luminal (slower than light), therefore rationalization (sequential thinking) arises from the material. ~ Intuition cannot be forced to manifest The more Intuition is forced into manifestation by the rational mind, the more it resists manifestation. This is not a 1:1 ratio, but rather exponential in nature. (Perhaps the ratio lies within the Golden Mean ratio - PI) ~ Intuition is free of bias/belief/fantasy Though it does bring these three into awareness through preconceived notions and rationalization after intuition arrives, in itself, Intuition is free of these. |
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Azeratel Axo User ID: 20063747 Canada 04/06/2013 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Consciousness is a property of intuition. Other than that they are antonyms. ~ Intuition is within Rationalization (sequential thinking) Quoting: Septenary Man Rationalization is not within Intuition Intuition IS a 'snap rationalization'. ~ Intuition is non-sequential Quoting: Septenary Man a. Intuition arrives in packets, therefore Intuition is FTL, therefore Intuition arises from non-material. No. Intuition is as a ribbon. b. Rationalization arrives from sequential thinking, therefore rationalization is Sub-luminal (slower than light), therefore rationalization (sequential thinking) arises from the material. Quoting: Septenary Man No. Rationalization of a 'non-rational' concept arises from zig-zags in thought. 'Left cannot hold any constructs' ~ Intuition cannot be forced to manifest Quoting: Septenary Man The more Intuition is forced into manifestation by the rational mind, the more it resists manifestation. This is not a 1:1 ratio, but rather exponential in nature. (Perhaps the ratio lies within the Golden Mean ratio - PI) Intuition is consistently forced to manifest. 'Under pressure' is a useful phrase ~ Intuition is free of bias/belief/fantasy Quoting: Septenary Man Though it does bring these three into awareness through preconceived notions and rationalization after intuition arrives, in itself, Intuition is free of these. No, intuition IS bias/belief/fantasy, unmitigated by ego. What IS bias/belief, anyways? |
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Azeratel Axo User ID: 20063747 Canada 04/06/2013 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello! Quoting: chaol 183770 I have been living in this world for some time now. I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours. I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future. * Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do) * Matter is gravity that has been structured * We are not human (we are perspectives) * When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite. * Space is not physical * There is no "now" or "here", but relationships. We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different. If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science. This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting. If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know. Thanks. |
Azeratel Axo User ID: 20063747 Canada 04/06/2013 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could you tell us some details about these 4 elements, the formulas and the relationships, and the structure of your language? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 761771Hello! Surely... The four elements are ion, axon, chaon, elementon. (There is a 5th, but it's not used.) Each can have a numerical value and context value. They are 1, 2, 3, 5, respectively. An ion is structure. An axon is potential energy. A chaon is interaction. An elementon is representation. The basic formulas are: * 1+2=3 * 2+3=5 * 5-3=2 * 3-2=1 So, for example: an ion element + an axon element = a chaon element (1+2=3) To illustrate this example, let's say that a building is an ion element (structure; 1). The space inside the building is an axon element (potential energy; 2). So when you add these two elements together you get interactivity (chaon; 3). You simply identify what element (of the 4) something is then you can extrapolate conjectures about its relationship with something else. You can also add more formulas onto the result to get more detailed extrapolations. This is an example done for illustration. The system is used for the very simple as well as the very complex. The basic formulas could be easily translated into workable For example, 3-2=1 could be translated as, "if we provide less potential energy than our interactions require, our time perspective is reversed." (As potential energy is being structured more than it is not.) Such a model can be used for what would be called time travel (although time is not really what is thought). The benefit of such a base system allows anyone to use it to make their own extrapolations. Thanks. Do I see an embryonic memetological thesis here? |
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