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aether (OP) User ID: 43254359 United Kingdom 07/14/2013 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yakub (Nation of Islam) Yakub (sometimes spelled Yacub or Yakob) is, according to the Nation of Islam, a black scientist who lived "6,600 years ago" and was responsible for creating the white race to be a "race of devils". The Nation of Islam theology claims that Yakub is the biblical Jacob. Traditional Muslims do not have this belief, or anything similar to it. Quoting: observationYakub is said to have been born in what would become Mecca (founded in 2000 B.C.) at a time when 30% of original black people were "dissatisfied". He was a member of the Meccan branch of the Tribe of Shabazz. At the age of six, he discovered the law of attraction and repulsion by playing with magnets made of steel. This insight led to a dastardly plan to create new people. He "saw an unlike human being, made to attract others, who could, with the knowledge of tricks and lies, rule the original black man." By the age of 18, he had exhausted all knowledge in the universities of Mecca. He then discovered that the "original black man" contained both a "black germ" and a "brown germ". With 59,999 followers, he went to the island of Patmos, where he established a despotic regime and set about breeding out the black traits, killed all darker babies, and created a brown race after 200 years. After 600 years of this deliberate eugenics, the white race was created.................. [link to en.wikipedia.org] John of Patmos John of Patmos is the name given by some modern scholars to the author of the Book of Revelation, the apocalyptic text forming part of the New Testament. The text of Revelation states that the author is called John and that he lives on the Greek island of Patmos, where by some, he is considered to be in exile as a result of anti-Christian persecution under the Roman emperor Domitian........... Quoting: observation[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Last Edited by aether on 07/14/2013 10:51 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21578488 United States 07/14/2013 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Green Sun Over Egypt The standard interpretations of Egyptian pyramid texts date from the late 1800's. Nobody at that time had considered even the possibility of a different solar-system order having pertained just 6000 years ago; quite naturally, all explanations given were in terms of present reality, even though the fit could be seen to be a forced one. Quoting: observationA careful reading of these tales leaves no one in doubt that strangeness is being described. Osiris is often described as a "night sun" or "sun of night". The reference to Osiris as the "night sun" is fairly common. From Ignatius Donelly's "The destruction of Atlantis / Ragnarok, the Age of Fire and Gravel, page 234: "M. Mariette-Bay says: 'Originally, Osiris is the nocturnal sun; he is the primordial night of chaos; he is consequently anterior to Ra, the sun of day". Mr. Miller says: 'As nocturnal sun, Osiris was also regarded as a type of the sun BEFORE ITS FIRST RISING, or of the primordial night of chaos...'" ........................ [link to www.bearfabrique.org] Ragnarok and the copper sun... Let's see if we can't all focus on the sun today. I think we could use some more of the suns love... Or else Ragnarok. Good morning aether ^_^ |
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aether (OP) User ID: 43254359 United Kingdom 07/14/2013 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ragnarok and the copper sun... Let's see if we can't all focus on the sun today. I think we could use some more of the suns love... Or else Ragnarok. Good morning aether ^_^ good morning Ragnarok Ragnarok ("Doom of the Gods"), also called Gotterdammerung, means the end of the cosmos in Norse mythology. It will be preceded by Fimbulvetr, the winter of winters. Three such winters will follow each other with no summers in between. Conflicts and feuds will break out, even between families, and all morality will disappear. This is the beginning of the end. ......... Quoting: observation[link to www.pantheon.org] good day for a white wedding springs to mind |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 07/14/2013 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GLP jumped ahead by 5 minutes about 20 minutes ago. [link to www.youtube.com] Last Edited by Seer777 on 07/14/2013 11:28 AM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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nobody User ID: 4608279 United Kingdom 07/14/2013 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this one prefers salvidors melting clocks,, the old transposition of rehtorical surrealism feels more apt,, linear,, melts within the sun,, lest the intention of a roman styled equifi-cable restraint,, is ever so quaintively obvious,, as a derived censor-ship,, thus the ship sails,, the cut of the gjib alingned perfectly indeed,, much love,, |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 38558463 United States 07/14/2013 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see this, but not today unfortunately, it would gobble up my data plan :-) I'm thinking that the library might have it... [link to en.wikipedia.org] "See also[edit] Midnight movie Acid Western" Good Morning Everyone |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 07/14/2013 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes it did see7,, Quoting: nobody 4608279 this one prefers salvidors melting clocks,, the old transposition of rehtorical surrealism feels more apt,, linear,, melts within the sun,, lest the intention of a roman styled equifi-cable restraint,, is ever so quaintively obvious,, as a derived censor-ship,, thus the ship sails,, the cut of the gjib alingned perfectly indeed,, much love,, I posted the 'Now' clock image last night on the 'riot' thread. I notice the 'minute hand' could be interpreted as being at the '6'. 6 minutes. Thread: Zimmerman Riot Watch Thread: Post your local status here (Page 13) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 07/14/2013 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see this, but not today unfortunately, it would gobble up my data plan :-) I'm thinking that the library might have it... [link to en.wikipedia.org] "See also[edit] Midnight movie Acid Western" Good Morning Everyone I watched the trailer and got a distinctive 'Pink Flamingo' feel...of which I watched 15 minutes of, before I shut it off. Good morning. :) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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aether (OP) User ID: 43254359 United Kingdom 07/14/2013 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see this, but not today unfortunately, it would gobble up my data plan :-) I'm thinking that the library might have it... [link to en.wikipedia.org] "See also[edit] Midnight movie Acid Western" Good Morning Everyone good morning |
nobody User ID: 4608279 United Kingdom 07/14/2013 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting aether,, as that particular song has a parrody meaning for this one,, it is indeed a good day to start again,, a complete oppersite persuassion easily melts all linear time,, and yet,, when not so pertubed,, all others levity,, is thus resolved,, how wonderful,, a "y" indeed,, much love,, |
aether (OP) User ID: 43254359 United Kingdom 07/14/2013 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting aether,, as that particular song has a parrody meaning for this one,, Quoting: nobody 4608279 it is indeed a good day to start again,, a complete oppersite persuassion easily melts all linear time,, and yet,, when not so pertubed,, all others levity,, is thus resolved,, how wonderful,, a "y" indeed,, much love,, yes, today is a broader understanding day, it seems i like it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36478583 United States 07/14/2013 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see this, but not today unfortunately, it would gobble up my data plan :-) I'm thinking that the library might have it... [link to en.wikipedia.org] "See also[edit] Midnight movie Acid Western" Good Morning Everyone I watched the trailer and got a distinctive 'Pink Flamingo' feel...of which I watched 15 minutes of, before I shut it off. Good morning. :) I don't know that one either, but I found it on a few 'most disturbing movies' lists.. lol Isn't it funny that one's preference for disturbing is of a much smaller tolerance scale than the preference of something delightful. Good Day everyone, I'm going to try and catch some sunshine in between thunderstorms... |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 07/14/2013 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the trailer and got a distinctive 'Pink Flamingo' feel...of which I watched 15 minutes of, before I shut it off. Quoting: Seer777 Good morning. :) I don't know that one either, but I found it on a few 'most disturbing movies' lists.. lol Isn't it funny that one's preference for disturbing is of a much smaller tolerance scale than the preference of something delightful. Good Day everyone, I'm going to try and catch some sunshine in between thunderstorms... It was recommended to me. After the 'chicken' scene, I shut it off. Not interested...in movies of that nature. 'Cult Classic' or not. Enjoy the sunbeams. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 07/14/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some might be curious as to how my lucid dream states can be of spiritual growth. It seems like saying that might feel a little abstract, but in truth,the experiences can be quite the opposite. Last night, I began dreaming of fishing with some of my old friends. Fucking hooks. Lines got tangled and I tried to disentangle them, and I was constantly being hooked multiple times, everywhere on my body. And, they were of every size and make. And, it hurt. I became lucid and the lines and hooks were everywhere. No matter where I went, I would get tangled in them, and the hooks would pierce me. As I was painfully removing one, because of my movement one or more would hook me again. And, every time I tried to disentangle the lines from around me, it would pull the hooks that were hooked in me and would increase the pain and discomfort. So, being lucid, I stopped struggling with it all and tried to figure it out. While I stopped and began puzzling it out, I became less entangled, and I began walking again down a dark tunnel like path through a nasty looking forest. As I was walking I began accumulating fishing lines and hooks again and was painfully entangled all over again. When lucid, sometimes I ask my higher self to give me some clue about what is going on (most times I ask my higher self to start the next experience I am in need of for growth). A female appeared, very faint and hardly noticeable. All I could see was a face floating within my conscious. "It is simple," she said. "These are your attachments." It was like a bomb of "AHA!!!" moments streaked through me. I began walking away, and the lines grew taught, and the hooks pulled painfully at my skin, all over my body. One by one, as I walked, I felt the specific pulling of a line and the hook that was associated with that line. It is strange, because I was feeling each individual line corresponding with its specific hook by the pain that it drew. I felt them all at the same time, tightening, pulling, bringing specific pain...but, the difference was the differing strength of tension on each line brought a specific amount of pain to an area of my body that that hook was in. I kept walking, and when I noticed that the line was taught enough, and the pain sharp enough, I found I could give a 'pulse', like a hard jerk, to rip the hook from me. After a while, it became less painful, as I was consciously figuring out how to remove the pain from the experience with each 'jerk' and removal. They began sliding off of me instead of being ripped from me. The pain began dissolving, and a feeling of 'light' was replacing the pain. Then, at a certain point, all of the lines and hooks just fell off of me as I continued walking down this dark forest path. It was like I was light as a feather. I was free of attachments. This is where the experience becomes hard to express because of the feeling of being removed from all attachments. It is beautiful. |
Azeratel Axo User ID: 37789886 Canada 07/14/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Green Sun Over Egypt The standard interpretations of Egyptian pyramid texts date from the late 1800's. Nobody at that time had considered even the possibility of a different solar-system order having pertained just 6000 years ago; quite naturally, all explanations given were in terms of present reality, even though the fit could be seen to be a forced one. Quoting: observationA careful reading of these tales leaves no one in doubt that strangeness is being described. Osiris is often described as a "night sun" or "sun of night". The reference to Osiris as the "night sun" is fairly common. From Ignatius Donelly's "The destruction of Atlantis / Ragnarok, the Age of Fire and Gravel, page 234: "M. Mariette-Bay says: 'Originally, Osiris is the nocturnal sun; he is the primordial night of chaos; he is consequently anterior to Ra, the sun of day". Mr. Miller says: 'As nocturnal sun, Osiris was also regarded as a type of the sun BEFORE ITS FIRST RISING, or of the primordial night of chaos...'" ........................ [link to www.bearfabrique.org] The metaphorical concept of a 'midnight sun' is something I attach to a 'dark night of the soul.' If the Sun is out at night, why would we say 'night' at all? Good afternoon everyone. :) |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 07/14/2013 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Green Sun Over Egypt The standard interpretations of Egyptian pyramid texts date from the late 1800's. Nobody at that time had considered even the possibility of a different solar-system order having pertained just 6000 years ago; quite naturally, all explanations given were in terms of present reality, even though the fit could be seen to be a forced one. Quoting: observationA careful reading of these tales leaves no one in doubt that strangeness is being described. Osiris is often described as a "night sun" or "sun of night". The reference to Osiris as the "night sun" is fairly common. From Ignatius Donelly's "The destruction of Atlantis / Ragnarok, the Age of Fire and Gravel, page 234: "M. Mariette-Bay says: 'Originally, Osiris is the nocturnal sun; he is the primordial night of chaos; he is consequently anterior to Ra, the sun of day". Mr. Miller says: 'As nocturnal sun, Osiris was also regarded as a type of the sun BEFORE ITS FIRST RISING, or of the primordial night of chaos...'" ........................ [link to www.bearfabrique.org] The metaphorical concept of a 'midnight sun' is something I attach to a 'dark night of the soul.' If the Sun is out at night, why would we say 'night' at all? Good afternoon everyone. :) Night Sun=Night Son Osiris, son of Nut. The stars. [link to www.crystalinks.com] Night Sun=Moon? Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 07/14/2013 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some might be curious as to how my lucid dream states can be of spiritual growth. It seems like saying that might feel a little abstract, but in truth,the experiences can be quite the opposite. Quoting: Septenary Spiral Last night, I began dreaming of fishing with some of my old friends. Fucking hooks. Lines got tangled and I tried to disentangle them, and I was constantly being hooked multiple times, everywhere on my body. And, they were of every size and make. And, it hurt. I became lucid and the lines and hooks were everywhere. No matter where I went, I would get tangled in them, and the hooks would pierce me. As I was painfully removing one, because of my movement one or more would hook me again. And, every time I tried to disentangle the lines from around me, it would pull the hooks that were hooked in me and would increase the pain and discomfort. So, being lucid, I stopped struggling with it all and tried to figure it out. While I stopped and began puzzling it out, I became less entangled, and I began walking again down a dark tunnel like path through a nasty looking forest. As I was walking I began accumulating fishing lines and hooks again and was painfully entangled all over again. When lucid, sometimes I ask my higher self to give me some clue about what is going on (most times I ask my higher self to start the next experience I am in need of for growth). A female appeared, very faint and hardly noticeable. All I could see was a face floating within my conscious. "It is simple," she said. "These are your attachments." It was like a bomb of "AHA!!!" moments streaked through me. I began walking away, and the lines grew taught, and the hooks pulled painfully at my skin, all over my body. One by one, as I walked, I felt the specific pulling of a line and the hook that was associated with that line. It is strange, because I was feeling each individual line corresponding with its specific hook by the pain that it drew. I felt them all at the same time, tightening, pulling, bringing specific pain...but, the difference was the differing strength of tension on each line brought a specific amount of pain to an area of my body that that hook was in. I kept walking, and when I noticed that the line was taught enough, and the pain sharp enough, I found I could give a 'pulse', like a hard jerk, to rip the hook from me. After a while, it became less painful, as I was consciously figuring out how to remove the pain from the experience with each 'jerk' and removal. They began sliding off of me instead of being ripped from me. The pain began dissolving, and a feeling of 'light' was replacing the pain. Then, at a certain point, all of the lines and hooks just fell off of me as I continued walking down this dark forest path. It was like I was light as a feather. I was free of attachments. This is where the experience becomes hard to express because of the feeling of being removed from all attachments. It is beautiful. Interesting. I wonder if this was triggered due the the 'Nobody riddle' thread and an AC mentioning the 'hook in the lip' a couple days ago. Yesterday as I was driving home I noticed a billboard with a fishing line and hook. Next to the hook was 3 diamond rings. I can't remember what it said exactly but something like, fish with proper bait... I found it in poor taste. And reminded me of that AC which mentioned the 'hook'. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Azeratel Axo User ID: 37789886 Canada 07/14/2013 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some might be curious as to how my lucid dream states can be of spiritual growth. It seems like saying that might feel a little abstract, but in truth,the experiences can be quite the opposite. Quoting: Septenary Spiral Last night, I began dreaming of fishing with some of my old friends. Fucking hooks. Lines got tangled and I tried to disentangle them, and I was constantly being hooked multiple times, everywhere on my body. And, they were of every size and make. And, it hurt. I became lucid and the lines and hooks were everywhere. No matter where I went, I would get tangled in them, and the hooks would pierce me. As I was painfully removing one, because of my movement one or more would hook me again. And, every time I tried to disentangle the lines from around me, it would pull the hooks that were hooked in me and would increase the pain and discomfort. So, being lucid, I stopped struggling with it all and tried to figure it out. While I stopped and began puzzling it out, I became less entangled, and I began walking again down a dark tunnel like path through a nasty looking forest. As I was walking I began accumulating fishing lines and hooks again and was painfully entangled all over again. When lucid, sometimes I ask my higher self to give me some clue about what is going on (most times I ask my higher self to start the next experience I am in need of for growth). A female appeared, very faint and hardly noticeable. All I could see was a face floating within my conscious. "It is simple," she said. "These are your attachments." It was like a bomb of "AHA!!!" moments streaked through me. I began walking away, and the lines grew taught, and the hooks pulled painfully at my skin, all over my body. One by one, as I walked, I felt the specific pulling of a line and the hook that was associated with that line. It is strange, because I was feeling each individual line corresponding with its specific hook by the pain that it drew. I felt them all at the same time, tightening, pulling, bringing specific pain...but, the difference was the differing strength of tension on each line brought a specific amount of pain to an area of my body that that hook was in. I kept walking, and when I noticed that the line was taught enough, and the pain sharp enough, I found I could give a 'pulse', like a hard jerk, to rip the hook from me. After a while, it became less painful, as I was consciously figuring out how to remove the pain from the experience with each 'jerk' and removal. They began sliding off of me instead of being ripped from me. The pain began dissolving, and a feeling of 'light' was replacing the pain. Then, at a certain point, all of the lines and hooks just fell off of me as I continued walking down this dark forest path. It was like I was light as a feather. I was free of attachments. This is where the experience becomes hard to express because of the feeling of being removed from all attachments. It is beautiful. Interesting. I wonder if this was triggered due the the 'Nobody riddle' thread and an AC mentioning the 'hook in the lip' a couple days ago. Yesterday as I was driving home I noticed a billboard with a fishing line and hook. Next to the hook was 3 diamond rings. I can't remember what it said exactly but something like, fish with proper bait... I found it in poor taste. And reminded me of that AC which mentioned the 'hook'. Reminds me of this: You made an account just to say that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42108372 Cmon guys, life never fails. You already know. I didn't say he failed his calling. I said he finally figured out what it is. As sad as my post may appear to be on the surface it in fact about victory. Just not the kind expected. [link to youtu.be] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 07/14/2013 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seer, I know that was part of it. I think what happens though, is I become lucid in a dream scenario, and my intent is to have some type of spiritual experience. So my subconscious uses the setting to develop a scenario to have a breakthrough. Sometimes the breakthrough doesn't occur and there is no revelation. Sometimes it does, and the revelation is integrated into my waking consciousness through direct experience and knowing. To others it is just words they are reading, like parables. To me, they are real and of a level of experience beyond the normal humans ability to have. To think of that makes me feel very disassociated. It becomes a furthering of the gap that Aruna touched on. Another defining slot slides into place from two nights ago to now. A deeper understanding of things...of me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14874606 United States 07/14/2013 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some might be curious as to how my lucid dream states can be of spiritual growth. It seems like saying that might feel a little abstract, but in truth,the experiences can be quite the opposite. Quoting: Septenary Spiral Last night, I began dreaming of fishing with some of my old friends. Fucking hooks. Lines got tangled and I tried to disentangle them, and I was constantly being hooked multiple times, everywhere on my body. And, they were of every size and make. And, it hurt. I became lucid and the lines and hooks were everywhere. No matter where I went, I would get tangled in them, and the hooks would pierce me. As I was painfully removing one, because of my movement one or more would hook me again. And, every time I tried to disentangle the lines from around me, it would pull the hooks that were hooked in me and would increase the pain and discomfort. So, being lucid, I stopped struggling with it all and tried to figure it out. While I stopped and began puzzling it out, I became less entangled, and I began walking again down a dark tunnel like path through a nasty looking forest. As I was walking I began accumulating fishing lines and hooks again and was painfully entangled all over again. When lucid, sometimes I ask my higher self to give me some clue about what is going on (most times I ask my higher self to start the next experience I am in need of for growth). A female appeared, very faint and hardly noticeable. All I could see was a face floating within my conscious. "It is simple," she said. "These are your attachments." It was like a bomb of "AHA!!!" moments streaked through me. I began walking away, and the lines grew taught, and the hooks pulled painfully at my skin, all over my body. One by one, as I walked, I felt the specific pulling of a line and the hook that was associated with that line. It is strange, because I was feeling each individual line corresponding with its specific hook by the pain that it drew. I felt them all at the same time, tightening, pulling, bringing specific pain...but, the difference was the differing strength of tension on each line brought a specific amount of pain to an area of my body that that hook was in. I kept walking, and when I noticed that the line was taught enough, and the pain sharp enough, I found I could give a 'pulse', like a hard jerk, to rip the hook from me. After a while, it became less painful, as I was consciously figuring out how to remove the pain from the experience with each 'jerk' and removal. They began sliding off of me instead of being ripped from me. The pain began dissolving, and a feeling of 'light' was replacing the pain. Then, at a certain point, all of the lines and hooks just fell off of me as I continued walking down this dark forest path. It was like I was light as a feather. I was free of attachments. This is where the experience becomes hard to express because of the feeling of being removed from all attachments. It is beautiful. Interesting. I wonder if this was triggered due the the 'Nobody riddle' thread and an AC mentioning the 'hook in the lip' a couple days ago. Yesterday as I was driving home I noticed a billboard with a fishing line and hook. Next to the hook was 3 diamond rings. I can't remember what it said exactly but something like, fish with proper bait... I found it in poor taste. And reminded me of that AC which mentioned the 'hook'. Reminds me of this: You made an account just to say that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42108372 Cmon guys, life never fails. You already know. I didn't say he failed his calling. I said he finally figured out what it is. As sad as my post may appear to be on the surface it in fact about victory. Just not the kind expected. [link to youtu.be] haha! Fucking awesome Pi! Didn't see that before. "No one can walk out on his own story." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41546667 United States 07/14/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is the garuda and the naga, sworn enemies. One is of the eagle race and one is of the serpent race. Ancient ancient races. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] If the garuda is the ladder, what is the serpent? Would they be considered the two trees, two races? I'll check back later this evening and to catch up guys |