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| SolarSiren User ID: 20142897  United States07/21/2012 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4440582 United States07/21/2012 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did pick up on some wonky editing...didn't fit for a Nolan movie. I'm of the belief that Nolan and company are anti-elite...that's the message I got from the trilogy. Begins is about overcoming fear. TDK is about keeping your head amid chaos; it also features some interesting discussions about government/elite figures using surveillance on citizens. TDKR states that ideology, not money, rules the world (Bane to Daggart: "Do you feel in charge?" was my favorite line of the movie). In TDKR, they speak of "The Dent Act," a piece of legislation passed through a lie (Dent is made out to be a hero when he is actually a murderer; perhaps the Patriot Act after 911?) Additionally, class warfare is a HUGE part of the movie, and recent rhetoric (Occupy, etc.) in America suggests that we are headed down such a path. Bane uses the "people's revolution" as a guise for his terrorist plot; he reveals the truth behind Dent's crimes, and this spurs the people on toward revolution in Gotham. Can you imagine if 911 Truth was revealed? Civil unrest, to say the least. Bane, referred to as being evil, "the Devil", etc. wants to destroy the Western World; he is "Gotham's reckoning." He tells the people of Gotham that Gotham is theirs and they must take down their rich oppressors to truly be free. He manipulates the people of Gotham into revolting against the government and upper classes, but only to create instability so he can go through with his master plan of destruction. So... is Bane supposed to be Obama? Also interestingly, Captain Jones, a special forces officer sent in to assist the Gotham Resistance, is played by Daniel Sunjata, an outspoken 911 Truther. Sunjata played a firefighting truther on F/X's 'Rescue Me'; when he was researching his role, the information he found opened his eyes and he began asking new questions. Very interesting that he was cast in this movie...To quote Jim Gordon, "You're not allowed to believe in coincidences anymore".  |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20142897 United States07/21/2012 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Do you FEEL in charge?" - YES!!! I LOVED THAT LINE TOO! To me, trying to get out of the pit without a rope means, you can only FREE YOURSELF WITHOUT HELP FROM ANYBODY. And that the HELP OFFERED (the ROPE), that LOOKS HELPFUL, is only HINDERING US as a people from reaching our TRUE POTENTIAL (Whatever path you choose). Thanks for replying !!! :) |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20142897 United States07/21/2012 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SPOILERS******************* The movie shows Gotham (USA), TRUSTING someone they JUST SAW KILL A GUY (The bomb expert on the football field) who was the ONLY ONE WHO COULD HAVE SAVED THEM!!!!!!!!!!! WTF?????????? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1243271 United States07/21/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Do you FEEL in charge?" - YES!!! I LOVED THAT LINE TOO! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20142897 To me, trying to get out of the pit without a rope means, you can only FREE YOURSELF WITHOUT HELP FROM ANYBODY. And that the HELP OFFERED (the ROPE), that LOOKS HELPFUL, is only HINDERING US as a people from reaching our TRUE POTENTIAL (Whatever path you choose). Thanks for replying !!! :) (the ROPE), that LOOKS HELPFUL, is only HINDERING US as a people from reaching our TRUE POTENTIAL (Whatever path you choose). Very deep observation there buddy |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20142897 United States07/21/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20142897 United States07/21/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People want someone to SAVE THEM NOW when they STAMP THEIR little feet, and then TURN on the person helping them & want his head on a plate with vigor for not doing so. Wayne could be taken a Christ like figure, he's hated by the people he tries to save but still does it...He's rich & people only see his money and trappings and all the women he gets...He has to hide behind a mask because if people knew who he was, they would hate him on a knee jerk reaction. The guilt of this is a running theme, he wants to tell people who he is & reveal all so bad, but then he can't because the people would HATE him for it....They'd slam him as just another "spoiled rich kid" with an alternate agenda... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4440582 United States07/21/2012 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Do you FEEL in charge?" - YES!!! I LOVED THAT LINE TOO! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20142897 To me, trying to get out of the pit without a rope means, you can only FREE YOURSELF WITHOUT HELP FROM ANYBODY. And that the HELP OFFERED (the ROPE), that LOOKS HELPFUL, is only HINDERING US as a people from reaching our TRUE POTENTIAL (Whatever path you choose). Thanks for replying !!! :) Wish I could sit down for a cup of coffee (or mug of beer!) and talk Batman (...and conspiracies, of course!) with you! I agree about your Wayne(and Batman)/Christ ideas. Redemption is a huge theme in the movie. "Do you think he's coming back"? the orphan boy asks Blake, reminding me of the coming of the messiah. Characters like Selina Kyle and Deputy Commissioner Foley are only interested in their own self-preservation until Batman inspires them (Batman asking for Selina's help; the Bat Symbol in the burning building inspires Foley to lead the GCPD against the terrorists). Then, they make sacrifices for the greater good. The prison/Lazarus pit was deep (literally AND figuratively). Your spot on with the rope, and I think it's interesting that Bruce and Talia are the only ones to escape, but ultimately one fights for good, the other for evil... I'm seeing it again tomorrow. My theatre offered some TDK inspired drinks. The 'Bane' and 'Lucious Fox' were too delicious! Must have clear head! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20142897 United States07/21/2012 09:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd buy all the rounds my friend!!! You got it.... Both get out due to the feeling of LOVE....Talia got out bc she had help of BANE who LOVED her enough to help her and she CHOSE her path, even DEFENDING his killings of random people till the end, because he helped her BE FREE, she cared not for others, she only cared for herself & her own feelings...WAYNE got out because of LOVE and feeling pain for the innocent people who could die in Gotham. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4440582 United States07/21/2012 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great point about love as the common denominator. Love is undoubtedly the strongest emotion, but both characters used this fuel for very different purposes. Talia's love for Bane and Ra's fueled her lust for destruction; she did not think of anyone else. Wayne, on the other hand, thinks only of others, and uses this to save Gotham. He is "ANGRY" because those he loves - indirectly, for the most part - are being threatened with extermination. It was a nice turnaround for him - he was a hermit for what, 8 years? He can only return in all his glory when EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is at stake. There is so so much to be discussed/explored with these films... [email protected] if you are so inclined |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20142897 United States07/21/2012 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Both Talia and Wayne get out of "The Trap/Pit/Jail" due to the FEELING of LOVE....Talia got out because her mother LOVED HER PLUS she had help of BANE who LOVED her enough to help her and she CHOSE her path. LOVE AND HATE can exist together at the same time. She even DEFENDING BANE'S killings of random people till the end, because he helped her BE FREE, she cared not for OTHERS, she only cared for herself & her OWN feelings...WAYNE got out because of LOVE and feeling pain for the innocent people who could die in Gotham. She got so far in the PLAN because of her FEELINGS...We are not our bodies, we are more than flesh and bone. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4440582 United States07/21/2012 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She got so far in the PLAN because of her FEELINGS...We are not our bodies, we are more than flesh and bone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20142897 Well said! I think Bruce realizes this, too. Bane brings (physical) PAIN unlike anything Batman/Bruce has experienced before; no villain could ever match Batman, but Bane BREAKS his body (and bends his spirit) but both are restored through his experiences in the Pit. It is not until Bruce learns to overcome pain and transcend his physical limitations (I think back to when young Talia makes the Crouching Tiger-esque jump to the ledge...both demonstrate supernatural ability) that he can physically, mentally, and spiritually contend with Bane, etc. I look forward to hearing from you and continuing our discourse! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4440582 United States07/22/2012 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just got back from my second viewing and...Wow. Liked it even better! One thing that has stuck out in my mind is when Daggert requests Bane, and he appears between two (masonic?) pillars and says, "Speak of the devil and he shall appear". We're not allowed to believe in coincidences anymore. Interesting symbol, considering that the League of Shadows is a secret society hell bent on destroying civilization as we know it (and have manipulated history for centuries). |
