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House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution!
The House of Representatives is set to consider legislation Tuesday that would exempt certain presidential appointees from having to be confirmed by the Senate.

UPDATE: The House passed the legislation Tuesday night by a vote of 261-116. The bill now goes to President Obama’s desk for his signature.

More at
[link to libertycrier.com]


By a vote of 261-116, the House of Representatives passed a bill rewriting Article II of the Constitution and divesting the Senate of the power to accept or reject the appointment of many presidential nominees.

Last year, the Senate passed the measure by a vote of 79-20, so it now goes to the desk of President Obama for his signature.

"Important positions will be filled faster, government agencies will be more capable of offering valuable services to their constituents, and the overall confirmation process will be more efficient,” said Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill.

Although the House vote occurred on Tuesday, the Senate voted to surrender its constitutional check on the executive over a year ago on June 29, 2011.

Despite a last-minute attempt by some House leaders to put the measure to a voice vote, thus allowing members to vote in favor of the legislation without being listed on the record, a roll call vote was taken, and the name of every congressman who voted to unconstitutionally neuter the legislative branch is listed.

More at [link to www.thenewamerican.com]


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 537

S 679 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 31-Jul-2012 7:06 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass
BILL TITLE: To reduce the number of executive positions subject to Senate confirmation

[link to clerk.house.gov]




XML U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 1st Session

Vote Counts: YEAs 79
NAYs 20
Not Voting 1


[link to www.senate.gov]

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Another step toward dictatorship
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Another step toward dictatorship
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Disagree with White House = RACIST TERROIST
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It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible.
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Marxism is the true enemy of our civilization.

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The American empire brought to you by the Illuminati bankers rotchilds.
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I wonder what it feels like to cut off your own balls.
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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Definitely calls for a pay cut.

As if they do much of anything regardless, 'cept for havoc.
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What does it matter?

If the House actually represented the people, would we have had bank bailouts?
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It really all is going down the toilet, isn't it?

Since it's in the Constitution, presumably a later legislature could reclaim those rights to advise and consent. But it would have to overcome cloture in the Senate, etc.

Traitors. (Lieberman and traitor in the same sentence is redundant.)
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sounds good

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"exempt certain presidential appointees from having to be confirmed by the Senate."

Which and what kind of appointees, any specifics?
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What does it matter?

If the House actually represented the people, would we have had bank bailouts?
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That.....

They don't work for the people. The government is it's own entity and doesn't need our consent or permission to make decisions.

Once everybody started turning to the government to fix their problems, we lost.

Now if something goes wrong, you ask the president to fix it.


Build your house next to the river, and it it floods...ask the government to help you.

Government, ridding people of personal responsibility since 1962.

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It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible.
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Americans aren't seeing anything resembling responsible inside our Senate currently and they vote for things that imply they were not elected officals. LOL
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If this is true, it is completely illegal. They can't change the Constitution without a Constitutional Convention. All states have to agree to it.
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What does it matter?

If the House actually represented the people, would we have had bank bailouts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12339688


That.....

They don't work for the people. The government is it's own entity and doesn't need our consent or permission to make decisions.

Once everybody started turning to the government to fix their problems, we lost.

Now if something goes wrong, you ask the president to fix it.


Build your house next to the river, and it it floods...ask the government to help you.

Government, ridding people of personal responsibility since 1962.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Govt can represent the people views on laws without fixing everything. If Americans had voted the banks would have been fixing their own damn problems.
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It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible.
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Americans aren't seeing anything resembling responsible inside our Senate currently and they vote for things that imply they were not elected officals. LOL
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House isn't much better, sometimes it's worse.

Whatever would make these legislators to weaken their power to advise and consent, it shows deep rot in Washington.
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If this is true, it is completely illegal. They can't change the Constitution without a Constitutional Convention. All states have to agree to it.
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They can waive their powers, at least it would seem legal to me.

But they could also take them back in the future.
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I thought all of those dumbasses in congress were on vacation - OH, WAIT thats what they wanted so there would be no opposition !
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Another step toward dictatorship
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yep.

The checks and balances of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government are being eroded away.

Now the president has all of the power...

The US Government has access to too much power to be in the control of a single human being.

This is 1933 all over again folks.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

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No suprise there. They can now appoint who ever the hell they like without oversight. Totally corrupt and the act of a totally corrupt leadership.

Trust me when I say, America is seriously one fucked up leadership IMO which will lead to the demise of billions.

Trust was put into America by the world and the Americans have let people down. Americans may not like what I say but unfortunately its true amd history will prove it to be true. If there is a history.
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can someone put this into english for me?
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The House of Representatives is set to consider legislation Tuesday that would exempt certain presidential appointees from having to be confirmed by the Senate.

UPDATE: The House passed the legislation Tuesday night by a vote of 261-116. The bill now goes to President Obama’s desk for his signature.

More at
[link to libertycrier.com]


By a vote of 261-116, the House of Representatives passed a bill rewriting Article II of the Constitution and divesting the Senate of the power to accept or reject the appointment of many presidential nominees.

Last year, the Senate passed the measure by a vote of 79-20, so it now goes to the desk of President Obama for his signature.

"Important positions will be filled faster, government agencies will be more capable of offering valuable services to their constituents, and the overall confirmation process will be more efficient,” said Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill.

Although the House vote occurred on Tuesday, the Senate voted to surrender its constitutional check on the executive over a year ago on June 29, 2011.

Despite a last-minute attempt by some House leaders to put the measure to a voice vote, thus allowing members to vote in favor of the legislation without being listed on the record, a roll call vote was taken, and the name of every congressman who voted to unconstitutionally neuter the legislative branch is listed.

More at [link to www.thenewamerican.com]


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 537

S 679 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 31-Jul-2012 7:06 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass
BILL TITLE: To reduce the number of executive positions subject to Senate confirmation

[link to clerk.house.gov]




XML U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 1st Session

Vote Counts: YEAs 79
NAYs 20
Not Voting 1


[link to www.senate.gov]
 Quoting: Laura Bow


the problem with this is that by bypassing WE THE PEOPLES REPRESENTATIVES they have effectively made it so that WE no longer have oversight of our government. We elected those GREEDY STUPID MORALLY BANKRUPT MEN to protect our govt, and there they are dismantling it. For WHAT, for WHO, ..

it does allow any president to become a dictator of too much of our govt!

bad bad bad idea!
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Don't like it one bit. Keep your eyes open folks, it seems that they think that they control everything including us.





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