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Chief Joseph...Nez Perce

 
Mojo Risin´
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Chief Joseph...Nez Perce
What happened in this country????
Why do we not celebrate TRUE Americans????? applause
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and who would that be?

the Clovis people?
Texas Uncensored

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12/27/2005 12:13 AM
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The true first Americans, in this round of civilization, were the Celtics, the French, the Phoenicians, and Asians.

So, when we, as a multicultural nation celebrate, we are celebrating our nations first True Americans, which most of us are descendents of.
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12/27/2005 12:15 AM
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Yeah Native People are the pot, and everyone else is melting in that melting pot !Thanx Mojo for recognizing this countrys unsung heroes. Chief Joseph was a man of Peace who was forced to fight this corrupt Government weird ideas of Freedom.
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12/27/2005 12:16 AM
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1rof1

Are you cold???????
You want this blanket???? gangup
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The Native American people are THE TRUE WARRIORS !!!!!!!!!!!!
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12/27/2005 12:22 AM
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we be cyber-renegades who roam the cyber-praire called the internet. Yehawww!!!!! woohoo
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12/27/2005 12:36 AM
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Most people only know the history (propaganda) presented in school text books. Too much has been lost already. I say with gratitude and respect that if I were Native American, I'd go to my elders and ask to learn the language, the songs, the ceremonies, the old ways of doing things. Times are going to change, and what they know, we'll all wish we knew!
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12/27/2005 12:39 AM
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applause...spyder
In-Dn

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12/27/2005 12:40 AM
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Amen, Spyder, we still know how to live off the land, what wild plants to eat or not eat, and can function without the Gregorian Calendar (we have a 13 month sytem). and we haven't even asked the non-natives what are they gonna do when they pull the electric plug, and when there is no gas & oil ?
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12/27/2005 12:43 AM
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the town of Enterprise ,Or re-instated the Nez Perce as the controllers of the land and the town

a few years back, look it up
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12/27/2005 12:55 AM
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Chief Joseph tried every possible appeal to the federal authorities to return the Nez Perce to the land of their ancestors. In 1885, he was sent along with many of his band to a reservation in Washington where, according to the reservation doctor, he later died of a broken heart.

I have carried a heavy load on my back ever since I was a boy. I realized then that we could not hold our own with the white men. We were like deer. They were like grizzly bears. We had small country. Their country was large. We were contented to let things remain as the Great Spirit Chief made them. They were not, and would change the rivers and mountains if they did not suit them.

~Chief Joseph
The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to be corrupt, too.
~Oscar Levant
spyderweb

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12/27/2005 12:57 AM
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Hey In-Dn! Yeah, I've been thinking about that lately. More importantly, how can we learn to live off the land without destroying it? To live WITH the land and everyone else we share it with?

We don't have elders to learn that from. We have books and "experts", but no one to help us come back into relationship with it.

I'm grateful for what I've learned from Native American friends of mine about that.
In-Dn

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12/27/2005 01:08 AM
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To hell with technology, what we need is technoecology, Earth friendly Energy sources (solar,wind generators,and bio-diesel fuels). and the Earth isn't meant to be dominated by spiritual S&M, and we need to get back on the natural 13 month calendar. (there is no astronomical significance to January 1st, a totally manmade time reference.) and operate elections by proportional representation, instead of by the 2 party system,thus,taking away the powers from the Corpses (Corps.)and giving it back to the people.
In-Dn

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12/27/2005 01:10 AM
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militia
spyderweb

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As oil-based products and energy becomes more and more expensive, alternatives will take on more importance and more resources will go into them. Problem is, most manufacturing processes to create those alternatives are themselves oil-based. I also think that as shipping and travel becomes more expensive, more of people's lives will be local. More co-ops, etc.

That's where knowing the old ways of doing things would really help. Local trade in making things by hand.
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sounds like the good old days to me, maybe we hould be planning the next Teotuhuacan.
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12/27/2005 01:19 AM
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i am all over new energy, well anything but oil that is, all electric is the way to go, it's obvious. i will grant that the "natives" were mistreated and stole from. lets not sit back and act like they were these peace loving, caring, open minded people that were savagly raped by the narrow minded "white" man. the natives were just as wicked in there own way. any may were "land" owners, that is not just a white man thing. what happened was wrong, but hate and fear from the past leads to more hate and fear, no answer and no solutions come of it. the youth of the "native" people move on and move up, vote, make changes, etc. jewish people have done it for like 5000 years, and so did the irish, the "britons", the scots, pretty much every people in the world.
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"lets not sit back and act like they were these peace loving, caring, open minded people that were savagly raped by the narrow minded "white" man. the natives were just as wicked in there own way. any may were "land" owners, that is not just a white man thing. what happened was wrong, but hate and fear from the past leads to more hate and fear, no answer and no solutions come of it." lmao
In-Dn

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12/27/2005 01:24 AM
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Being in Denial don't help any either, american dollars and bullets have been killing Native People from South America ,Nicaragua, El slavador, Chiapas and we are whining, now they are killing you in your old world. it goes both ways bro.
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12/27/2005 01:26 AM
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denial of what? bro?
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12/27/2005 01:26 AM
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the hoop must be whole to live on Earth
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I sort of see what you're saying Vox. Nobody has the corner on human "goodness" or "evil". A fellow I learned a lot from is a Chippewa-Cree Metis. He is a storyteller and has lots of stories from the pre-Christian European ancestors as well as the Indian ancestors of his people. It's amazing how those stories fit together. The same overrunning of earth based culture that happened here to the Native Americans happened 12 or so generations ago to the European earth people. The "dominance" culture did it to us all.
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what denial, that every race has skeletons, that no one is perfect and focusing on race is part of the problem and not the solution. truly trying to "love" or "care" for all is the only way, to celebrate our unique attributes.
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12/27/2005 01:29 AM
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more or less spyder, i am just not as good with my words as you hehe, just hate to see wounds opened over and over.
In-Dn

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if you don't learned from your mistakes, you are condemned to repeat them, and the system is killing us all, welcome to my nightmare.
In-Dn

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12/27/2005 01:33 AM
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Denial is going to be the death of America.
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banned2
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Mine, too In-Dn. But I truly think things are going to change. They have to. We can't keep eating up the earth like a cancer. I think that the transition out of oil will be hard, but will force some real positive change. I hope so, anyway.
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12/27/2005 01:51 AM
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peace IN!!! hi
In-Dn

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goodnight everyone, hi put out the kerosene lamps when you're done putting the wagons in a circle.





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