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Quotes of Chief Joseph......

 
Mojo Risin´
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Chief Joseph, known by his people as In-mut-too-yah-lat-lat (Thunder coming up over the land from the water), was best known for his resistance to the U.S. Government's attempts to force his tribe onto reservations. The Nez Perce were a peaceful nation spread from Idaho to Northern Washington. The tribe had maintained good relations with the whites after the Lewis and Clark expedition. Joseph spent much of his early childhood at a mission maintained by Christian missionaries.
In 1855 Chief Joseph's father, Old Joseph, signed a treaty with the U.S. that allowed his people to retain much of their traditional lands. In 1863 another treaty was created that severely reduced the amount of land, but Old Joseph maintained that this second treaty was never agreed to by his people.

A showdown over the second "non-treaty" came after Chief Joseph assumed his role as Chief in 1877. After months of fighting and forced marches, many of the Nez Perce were sent to a reservation in what is now Oklahoma, where many died from malaria and starvation.

Chief Joseph tried every possible appeal to the federal authorities to return the Nez Perce to the land of their ancestors. In 1885, he was sent along with many of his band to a reservation in Washington where, according to the reservation doctor, he later died of a broken heart.



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Quotes from Chief Joseph:
I have carried a heavy load on my back ever since I was a boy. I realized then that we could not hold our own with the white men. We were like deer. They were like grizzly bears. We had small country. Their country was large. We were contented to let things remain as the Great Spirit Chief made them. They were not, and would change the rivers and mountains if they did not suit them.

I am tired of fighting.... from where the sun now stands, I will fight no more.

Our fathers gave us many laws, which they had learned from their fathers. These laws were good. They told us to treat all people as they treated us; that we should never be the first to break a bargain; that is was a disgrace to tell a lie; that we should speak only the truth; that it was a shame for one man to take another his wife or his property without paying for it.

We were contented to let things remain as the Great Spirit made them.

Suppose a white man should come to me and say, “Joseph, I like your horses. I want to buy them.”

I say to him, “No, my horses suit me; I will not sell them.”

Then he goes to my neighbor and says, “Pay me money, and I will sell you Joseph’s horses.”

The white man returns to me and says, “Joseph, I have bought your horses and you must let me have them.”

If we sold our lands to the government, this is the way they bought them.

I am not a child, I think for myself. No man can think for me.

If the white man wants to live in peace with the Indian, he can live in peace. Treat all men alike. Give them a chance to live and grow.

All men were made brothers. The earth is the mother of all people, and all people should have equal rights upon it. You might as well expect the rivers to run backward as that any man who was born free should be contented when penned up and denied liberty to go where he pleases.

If you tie a horse to a stake, do you expect him to grow fat? If you pen an Indian up on a small spot of earth, and compel him to stay there, he will not be contented, nor will he grow and prosper.

The earth and myself are of one mind.

We were taught to believe that the Great Spirit sees and hears everything, and that he never forgets, that hereafter he will give every man a spirit home according to his deserts; If he has been a good man, he will have a good home; if he has been a bad man, he will have a bad home.

This I believe, and all my people believe the same.

Good words do not last long unless they amount to something. Words do not pay for my dead people. They do not pay for my country, now overrun by white men. They do not protect my father’s grave. They do not pay for all my horses and cattle.

Good words cannot give me back my children. Good words will not give my people good health and stop them from dying. Good words will not get my people a home where they can live in peace and take care of themselves.

I am tired of talk that comes to nothing It makes my heart sick when I remember all the good words and all the broken promises. There has been too much talking by men who had no right to talk.

It does not require many words to speak the truth.

We do not want churches because they will teach us to quarrel about God, as the Catholics and Protestants do. We do not want that.

We may quarrel with men about things on earth, but we never quarrel about the Great Spirit.

I believe much trouble and blood would be saved if we opened our harts more. I will tell you in my way how the Indian sees things. The white man has more words to tell you how they look to him, but is does not require many words to seek the truth.

Too many misinterpretations have been made... too many misunderstandings...

The Great Spirit Chief who rules above all will smile upon this land... and this time the Indian race is waiting and praying.

I am tired of talk that comes to nothing.
Mojo Risin´  (OP)

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This is sad. No one wants to read this??????
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I do ! Damn Mojo Risin' some things never change do they ? These words should be required reading by anyone who claims to be or wants to be a citizen of this country. Thats a good one !
neti
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"is does not require many words to seek the truth."


headbang That's true!



And truth is the same as "the Great Spirit (who) sees and hears everything, and.. never forgets".


It's so so true. The Great Spirit, AND truth, is within us, if we will but listen to it. We commune with All when we do.
In-Dn

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headbang
neti
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12/27/2005 01:15 AM
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LOL
Anonymous Coward
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Let's see ... hadn't the bible been
translated when we took the native
americans land and killed them?
Q
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12/27/2005 01:17 AM
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The Meek shall rule the earth

headbang
In-Dn

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12/27/2005 01:19 AM
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that bible was also used to enslave the Black man.and meek doesn't mean weak.
In-Dn

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A true warrior knows how to keep the PEACE !
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[link to forum.wingmakers.co.uk]
Try that link my brother
lose the hate it wont do your spirit any good at all
red white black whatever
if we cant love and live in peace with each other how can we expect to please the great mother
the warriors are gone for a reason
forgive and grow
Mitakuye Oyasin

Crazy Horse Tashunca-uitco (1849-1877)(1845?-1877)

We lived a life of idleness on our reservations. At times we did not get enough to eat and we were not allowed to hunt. "I was hostile to the white man...We preferred hunting. All we wanted was peace and to be let alone. Soldiers came...in the winter..and destroyed our villages. Then Long Hair (Custer) came...They said we massacred him, but he would have done the same to us. Our first impulse was to escape...but we were so hemmed in we had to fight. After that I lived in peace, but the government would not let me alone. I was not allowed to remain quiet. I was tired of fighting...They tried to confine me..and a soldier ran his bayonet into me. I have spoken.
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Read the words people!!!!!
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In-Dn

A true warrior knows how to keep the PEACE !
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Sometimes its just not possible though is it?
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I am tired of talk that comes to nothing.

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Very much so!

Time for action, time for the great spirit to whine the way, time for the Earth mother to shake off the flees, time for movement.

Talk is over headbang
In-Dn

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Chief Joseph was right, he must have been a member of GLP.
I am tired of talk that comes to nothing.
In-Dn

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Warriors of the Peace UNITE ! headbang
In-Dn

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Hey Q I mastered the peace within, its the peace throughout that I have probs with. too many spiritually dead people. I feel like I'm in the "Night of the Living Dead" sometimes. At least its not boring !
neti
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It will probably have to come to that in order to dislodge the "manipulators of the Law of Abundant Life" - that life which is lived in sensitive cooperation, rather than in quantified control.
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We are unaffected by the mass programming of commercialism, TV, magazines, HAARP, Antennae cause we are worriers of peace and only wish to reunite with the oneness of being with the Earth Mother the restoration of honor among Earths natives.

That’s why you stand out like a one-tree oasis in a dead forest IN-dn.

Its people like you that will rule the Earth when these great changes come. I hope they come soon, and I prey it is restored with synergy between all the natives of Earth.

Why should anyone pay to own land or drink the milk of Earth, the great spirit can see all that happens and I believe Joseph is right in that the time for talk has finished, it has served us no good, only ignorance has prevailed.

Crossed a thousand bridges and given a million pardons in hope of restoration, soon it must end so the golden age can re-unite our sense of purpose, well being and love of all.

Peace Unite, Light our way Great Spirit headbang
In-Dn

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Thanx for the words of encouragement "Q", I don't only talk about truth, but also have the power of truth ! which doesn't make me too popular with Natives and non-Natives alike, but that's their problem not mine, I know what side of the spiritual fence I'm on, I can die with nor regrets or with a bad conscience. I have lived by the Creator, and I bow and kneel before no one except DEATH and the CREATOR ! This is how I see it, I look at society as a big zit, that needs to be popped. the festering (denial) has gotten so bad that it is cancerous. Once this societal zit is popped, then the pus can be cleaned out,then it can be bandaged, and on its way to healing. A-ho
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Hi Mojo Risin'!!

Good thread!

I sense a general feeling that mankind needs to return to the land and away from the concrete. I have talked to others besides myself who feel this way.

Right now there are no mechanisms in place to dismantle the beast that battles the Great Spirit. The fear that is instilled in people, seems to create a very effective barrier to the truth. Fear causes people to overlook obvious signs right in front of their faces.

Meanwhile, although the beast cannot currently be dismantled, all of us have the power to effectively separate ourselves from the beast. Maybe the transformation back to the Great Spirit just has to happen one person at a time.



Rap wif ya' later.

Rock
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a zit-poppin we go
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zit poppers for peace UNITE ! headbang
Q
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LOL,

Zip trecking accross the globe we go headbang
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I'm hearing rumors that they're ready to pop 2 zits who sit in the white House soon, keep popping those zits, we'll get out all those bad political infections, so it can heal.
baby
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WARRIORS???
In-Dn

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warriors,come out and play ! stoner
Mojo Risin' nli
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Hahahahahahhahah
IN..... Im in the mood to PARTY tonight... FTW!!!!!!!!!
Mojo
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Please people... Read what the MAN said!!!!
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Chief Joseph is one of my all time heros. I have great respect for the man. Very underrated in American history or human history for that matter.

Also William Penn is another man (from the white side) who is extremely underrated in American and Human history. William Penn was one of the few white men that really tried to open dialogue of the heart with the Indians. He actually wrote down what they said and paid attention to the Indians. Was it totally successful ...no...he was but one man in a land of bigotry and hatred and greed. He was up against the "manifest destiny" ...That is a hard thing to fight. But he did TRY.

But like i said ...Chief Joseph is a big all time hero of mine. I say he was the Indian's Martin Luther King. That is the league i put him in.
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But what did those words accomplish? That's like the French saying, after the Battle of Crecy, "one would be wise to keep their bowstrings sheilded from the rain." It may carry truth, but if it is irrelevant to facts at hand, it is meaningless...kinda like GW's mission accomplished BS in 2003, meaningless tripe.
"It's easy to be certain, one only has to be sufficiently vague."





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