Is there scientific evidence for an intelligent designer aka God?

heres my question. With all that man has endured thru nature, the most puzzling is this how did man survive the ravages of plague. There is no explanation. The knowledge of epideology would suggests that mankind should have faded into extinction a long time ago, and yet we are still here. The nature of disease is to invade the body and destroy it, about the time the human body's immune system adapts and sends t cells to attack the invading bacterium, the disease has mutated many times, rendering our defenses weak and useless thus the many deaths recorded in history. How did we survive the perfect killing machine if not by the hand of a divine being?

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Why do you equate an "intelligent designer" with "God?" It's possible that intelligent aliens have been guiding the evolution and development of life on Earth for millions of years.

Still, to the best of my knowledge, there is no scientific evidence for intelligent design.

And what would you consider to be evidence for an intelligent designer? Just because something is very, very unlikely doesn't mean it would never happen, especially in an infinite universe.

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It's clear from the terminology you use that you don't actually know what you are talking about. Plague? Perfect killing machine? The Black Plague killed about 1/3 of Europeans, several hundred years ago. The other 2/3 survived and the Human Race became stronger.

Currently there is no evidence either way for intelligent design of the universe.

Chaos Theory may make it impossible for a watch to assemble itself by random shaking, but it does allow for order to come out of chaos that leads to rules of the universe.

The forces and physics of the universe are products of chaos, in more than just a few theorists/mathematicians minds/equations a logical order and limited 'laws' to how everything works must take place, thus out of chaos comes some order for a limited period of time, then it all must fall apart again.

We just happen to be living at a period of time in the universe (billions of years old) where there are rules and laws leading to the formation of more complex structures and forms.

Nothing in the universe points at there being a creator an intelligent designer.

There is one exception to this rule. The Big Bang.

We don't know why it happened. As far as our known physics and maths can take us, it shouldn't have happened. While we have a few nifty theories why it could happen, we do not have any way to gather the information we need to prove or disprove those theories thus the question why the big bang remains unanswerable to us.

The 'it just so happens' or 'coincidence' factor is an illusion. While we can imagine the universe running under different laws and we assume/guess that it can work otherwise, the reality is that it doesn't thus it only appears to be 'coincidence' that things have turned out the way they did. For all we know there is no other way that a universe can form other than the way we know it.

And, by that same token, it remains possible - highly possible, that there is an intelligent force that started it all off and set into place the laws and rules at the moment of the big bang.

Just because science can look at a thing and not rely on the old 'Because that's the way God made it' to explain a thing doesn't mean there is no God. It only means we are using rationality to attempt to explain something.

Science is on the same search for truth as religion. They are both heading for the same goal, its just that they are taking different paths to reach it.

Most likely once we peer behind the veil of the Big Bang Event we will see God smiling back at us.

The 2 are getting closer. Scientist now say that the entire Universe consists of approx. 10% visible (physical) and 90% invisible, which they term as 'dark matter/dark energy.' The word "dark" does not mean evil, it means invisible to the naked eye. They claim this dark matter/energy has consciousness and is capable of communicating with us. When we examine who and what we truly are, surprisingly we too are 10% visible (physical) and 90% invisible (spiritual). I'm beginning to think that maybe the ancient sages were talking about this dark matter when they used the term "Holy Spirit."

Sticking to facts does not equal having faith.

I can easily imagine a God creating natural laws. It does not require any effort at all as it is the most simplistic explanation ever. Unfortunately, I have thoughts and questions.

The problem is that you can not differentiate speculation and fact. You are speculating that there is a supernatural being which created these natural laws but there is nothing to substantiate that idea.

Evolution does not need to be split in micro or macro. It is the same process. Macro explains the branching and micro explains the changes within a branch. Micro leads to macro.

Evolution is a fact, deal with it.

A number of years ago, creationists rejected the big bang. Now they claim God sparked the big bang.

This will happen with evolution as well.

Hundreds of scientists in relevant fields listed here. And there are many more.

[link to wiki.answers.com]

Not to mention the untold thousands that fear backlash to their careers.



Here's a lecture from Dr. Gordon Wilson explaining exactly why scientists have no problem questioning Macro-Evolution.

Nope. Macro-Evolution is NOT a fact. Many qualified scientists from major universities practicing in relevant fields dissent from it.

Deal with it.

You've been subscribing to a faith labeled science. Wakey wakey time.

leave scientific speculation to the scientists, 'k?



fill your heart full of the blindest naievety, you mean



thre was nothing at all, NOTHING AT ALL, recorded about Jesus until 70 A.D. why is that?



why do people of other religions also say their prayers are answered? isn't that evidence of their gods?



what makes them think that nature couldn't have naturally created itself? or, that it had always existed and was not created? they say it had to come from somewhere, but then they say their god didn't have to be created, it always existed. why not say nature always existed? that makes more sense than a god that always existed and created everything.



best answer IMO



can be said about any religion.



only if you want to use "God did it" for everything you can't understand. what a useful delusion.



who proves that? scientists? or biased people with a religion to sell?



I thought God wanted to hide from everybody and let them decide for themselves. but he has to drop hints so the ones who are convinced can persuade everybody else?



the ones that didn't work, died off. duh



what is wrong with saying we still don't know?



not at all. biology is a coherent science. physics is a coherent science. science has explained where everything came from, from the time of the Big Bang, right up to today. they don't know where the Big Bang came from but so what? does not annul the rest of their findings. why do christians say one fly in the ointment (and a forgiuveable one) ruins everything about science, but refuse to allow thousands of inconsistencies and falsehoods to scrap their theory of God? because they have a religion to sell.



utter bullshit



and this Supreme Being, outside the laws of physics, has a human body, lives in the clouds, sits on a throne, and likes the smell of roasting goat meat.



because the plague didn't happen to everyone, didn't have a 100% mortality rate, and yes the plague did die out when its hosts died out. otherwise it would still be around today.



exactly the opposite. you have a rigid faith in your god as the explanatioin for everything. you have closed your mind to everything else, except what you are forced to admit. you would still think that demons cause illness, except now it's too silly not to admit that germs cause illness. and who discovered that? not christians!

how about when the church arrested whoever said the earth revolved around the sun, instead of what the bible said, that the earth was the center of the universe?



same things said about Apollo, Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu, and other religions. besides, if God is Catholic, then Protestants deserve no miracles. if God is Protestant, then Catholics get no miracles. why do both Catholics and Protestants say God grants them miracles, yet the other (protestant/catholic) has it all wrong and they don't know what they are doing? so bad that God damsn them to hell? why would God grant them miracles? he wouldn't according to them.



exactly

Here is a list of 1224 relevant scientists called Steve who are evolutionists.

[link to ncse.com]

Every living thing in the current era and on this planet. That's an extremely small sample in the overall scheme of things.

Half of those people are either not scientists or not in fields relevant to evolution. Dentist? Aerospace engineer? Veterinarian? You're really reaching.

As someone else has pointed out already, there are over a thousand legitimate scientists just named "Steve" who support the modern theory of evolution.

lOl

That is an awesome initiative.

Oh have you missed that it's all swineientifically proven?

There is NO evidence for a naturalistic origin of the Universe. There is every bit of evidence of an ordered intelligence (call it God if you will) creating the universe.

Scientists have always been baffled by the uncanny ability of mathematics to describe the universe. Eugene Wigner famously noted mathematics "unreasonable effectiveness" and called it a "miracle", the uncanny connection between mathematics and the physical.

Nothing odd with mathematics, its the silly and quaint naturalistic model we have of the universe that is dead WRONG - a bunch of atoms and shit colliding around, randomly forming into a universe, randomly and spontaneously forming into life in a magical primordial pool, and out of pure randomness evolving into creatures creating the symphonies of Mozart. LOL how fucking retarded.

You see, the universe IS mathematics. It IS law and order. In the beginning was the Word. It certainly is not little particles bouncing around, that is myth, that is the speculative model which has no evidence behind it.

Research Riemann zeta functions, and its strange connection to quantum energy levels. How in the fuck in the world does the distribution of abstract prime numbers exactly correlate to the quantum energy levels of atoms??? You must ask yourself this.

Nice straw man you're building there - since when is plague the perfect killing machine? It didnt kill us off, QED its not a perfect killing machine.

Main problem with this line of thought is that the "designer" must have designed that bacterium too. And it designed us to be suseptible to it. Same applies through out nature, for every symiotic relation theres another conflicting struggle between species. What are extinctions, failed designs? But why design something and not fix the faults, instead leaving it to fail?

ID fails. Want the best example why? you. You're quite weak, you cant run very fast, have limited hearing and smell compared to many mammals. You cant even see in the dark, or see infra red or ultraviolet. Poor design. Fail all over.

Um, take another look at the number of Biologists, Chemists, Paleontologists, Physicists, Geologists, Botanists, Geneticists, Zoologists etc. or other Nautral Scientists are in that list. It is the vast majority.

Out of the hundreds displayed you picked out the one? veterinarian, dentist, and engineer? Well thanks for showing your hand.

And I only posted that list because a naturalist asked for examples of scientists that question macro-evolution. And it is safe to assume there are plenty more that do not wish to go on record.

Yes, Mr. Obvious, there is a MAJORITY CONSENSUS about Macro-Evolution. That's why we are seeing intellectual censorship of any scientist who questions it.

Are you making the claim that Science is Democratic? I think you are.



Here's a lecture by Dr. Gordon Wilson explaining in detail why Scientists have no problem questioning Macro-Evolution.

Watch it and weep for your naturalism faith.

Science is very democratic, thats how it works. Answers are made to be questioned and modeled and tested. Not like religion where the only answers are 'god did it' and 'satan did it'.

If there is intelligent design aka, GOD...

We need to understand that GOD is evidence of science, not the other way around. He invented it, that is the plain simple truth. Everything in science yet unproven is referred to as a theory. MOST important things are still only theories. GOD is the best explanation as of yet for anything you can dream up. And GOD asks us to come to him "as a child" and with only the "faith of a mustard seed". Trust and believe... pure love prevails

OH... and I wanted to add that I am a real science-tard too. BUT if there is a GOD he is the author of it. That does not mean that science is irrelevant because of GOD. Likewise, I believe that until proven one way or the other, scientists should not consider GOD irrelevant because of science. It only makes scientific sense to leave it as a theory until proven otherwise.

ALSO no matter the faith Catholic, Baptist, Jewish, Jehovah...whatever....he is the GOD of them all. That is why prayers are answered to all who ask.

Last Edited by Divergent on 08/17/2012 05:58 PM

YOU are the scientific evidence. Please name ANYTHING complex that has come into existence by accident. The universe is nothing but a set of rules. There has to be a rule maker.

my argument was FOR GOD, not against...so I agree with you

yah. and as far as human science tho, lol, it's so quaint what the mainstream scientists come up with, how could they possibly be able to determine something as wild as the Primal Spirit?

My bad, hit quote by mistake.

Engineered evolution.

no worries

Hundreds? Well, 209. (I pasted it into Excel and counted.)

And among them we have:
Psychologist
Electrical engineer
Another psychologist
Chemical engineer
Statistician
Aeronautical engineer
Mechanical engineer
DVM
Dentist
Two aeronautics engineers
Mathematician
Educator
Operations researcher
Medical researcher
Information scientist
Chemist
Another chemist
Food scientist
Philospher
Satellite communications engineer
Engineer
Another mathematician
Hydrometallurgist (I didn't make that up)
Plastic surgeon
Another mathematician
Vet/agriculture expert
Eye disease researcher
Aerodynamicist
Internist
Geographer
Another educator
Architect
Nuclear engineer
Another philosopher
Linguist
Medical practitioner (is he not even a doctor?)
Plastic surgeon
Anesthetist
Another aeronautics engineer
Another educator
Another food scientist
Another engineer
Computer scientist
Educator
Engineer
Theologian
Engineer
Two mechanical engineers
Historian

That's 51 either non-scientists or scientists whose fields have nothing to do with evolution (and I'm being generous because I got tired of typing). So easily at least a fourth of your list is bogus.