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Theist vs. atheist debates are pointless | |
| _KlLLUMINATI Offer Upgrade  User ID: 19745218  United States08/22/2012 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22419790  Germany08/22/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI He doesn't say that. He says Allah, Jesus, YHWH and man-made deities do not exist. Intelligent design or a supreme intelligence are another topic altogether. |
| _KlLLUMINATI (OP) User ID: 19745218 United States08/22/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can prove that you own a pair of pink socks, but you can't prove that you DON'T own a pair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22323395 the point is you cant And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22323395 United States08/22/2012 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can prove that you own a pair of pink socks, but you can't prove that you DON'T own a pair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22323395 the point is you cant I understand your point. Mine is that the only thing that can be proven is that God exists. The burden is on the theists. You shouldn't lump them together as if the two sides are equivalent. |
| _KlLLUMINATI (OP) User ID: 19745218 United States08/22/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can prove that you own a pair of pink socks, but you can't prove that you DON'T own a pair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22323395 the point is you cant I understand your point. Mine is that the only thing that can be proven is that God exists. The burden is on the theists. You shouldn't lump them together as if the two sides are equivalent. anyone that makes a factual claim has the burden of proof does not matter which side your on And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4 |
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| _KlLLUMINATI (OP) User ID: 19745218 United States08/22/2012 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | christian: God exists, because blah blah blah. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54319 atheist: I don't believe it. the christian has something to prove. the atheist doesn't have to prove anything because he has not asserted anything. even if that was the case why even debate it because that chages nothing. if you dont believe thats fine but why must you worry about it? And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4 |
| _KlLLUMINATI (OP) User ID: 19745218 United States08/22/2012 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Us who don’t believe don’t believe. The believers will have us believe our unbelief is a belief, which it isn’t cos we simply don’t believe. Quoting: Libra II 1001450 how in the hell call a theist have you believe anything? why not just admit that for some reason that i have yet to figure out both sides of the coin both like to argue about it? And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22437852  Croatia08/22/2012 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can prove that you own a pair of pink socks, but you can't prove that you DON'T own a pair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22323395 the point is you cant I understand your point. Mine is that the only thing that can be proven is that God exists. The burden is on the theists. You shouldn't lump them together as if the two sides are equivalent. i think you are right sir,and i think the evidnece is overwhelming For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22437852 Croatia08/22/2012 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | christian: God exists, because blah blah blah. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54319 atheist: I don't believe it. the christian has something to prove. the atheist doesn't have to prove anything because he has not asserted anything. even if that was the case why even debate it because that chages nothing. if you dont believe thats fine but why must you worry about it? but often the labeled atheist is completely deluded and not susceptible to facts and simple observation |
| Libra II User ID: 1001450 Denmark08/22/2012 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Us who don’t believe don’t believe. The believers will have us believe our unbelief is a belief, which it isn’t cos we simply don’t believe. Quoting: Libra II 1001450 how in the hell call a theist have you believe anything? why not just admit that for some reason that i have yet to figure out both sides of the coin both like to argue about it? Its all about what we know. If you don’t want to believe in the existence of Napoleon, then that’s your unbelief. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22089462  Netherlands08/22/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22437852 Croatia08/22/2012 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. on what evidence you build your case against the existence of God from the bible? i am really eager to hear it |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22089462 Netherlands08/22/2012 09:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can prove that you own a pair of pink socks, but you can't prove that you DON'T own a pair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22323395 the point is you cant If the claim is made that you wear you are supposed to wear those specific socks at certain times and you are checked and found to not wear them at that time then we can safely say that the assumptions surrounding the pink socks are wrong. That is a theistic standpoint in your comparison. A deistic standpoint would be that the claim is that you have pink socks but there are no claims what so ever made about you wearing them. Hence there is no way to check if you are wearing them. Hence it indeed can't really be argued against. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22089462 Netherlands08/22/2012 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. on what evidence you build your case against the existence of God from the bible? i am really eager to hear it According to the Bible God has an influence over this world, for example prayer should be heard occasionally. Statistical evidence however does not show this to be case. Likewise other supernatural claims such a day without a night or plagues in Egypt have no basis in reality outside the Bible. |
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| _KlLLUMINATI (OP) User ID: 19745218 United States08/22/2012 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. even if that is true why argue about it? is it to be able to tell the next man that hey you're wrong and im right? And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4 |
| _KlLLUMINATI (OP) User ID: 19745218 United States08/22/2012 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. on what evidence you build your case against the existence of God from the bible? i am really eager to hear it According to the Bible God has an influence over this world, for example prayer should be heard occasionally. Statistical evidence however does not show this to be case. Likewise other supernatural claims such a day without a night or plagues in Egypt have no basis in reality outside the Bible. is it that you hate theists that you just have to argue? why not live your life and let others live theirs? And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -Revelation 21:4 |
| Krime User ID: 5469820 United States08/22/2012 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. if everyone gave up trying to prove either side, proof may never be found for either side either. |
| Krime User ID: 5469820 United States08/22/2012 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. even if that is true why argue about it? is it to be able to tell the next man that hey you're wrong and im right? (IMHO) because, although it may be a debate there is a 1:1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance that someone reading might just get the clue and be brought to God (my side of the debate). to me, thats good enough odds to try. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15525324  Canada08/22/2012 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People either believe or they do not. Both conditions only happen inside the head. Neither has external reality. There are far more important challenges faced by humanity and the constant bickering does nothing to address these issues. Instead of bickering about who is right and who is wrong, we should be putting our heads together to debate solutions to real world problems. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22439638 Croatia08/22/2012 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A person could write a lengthy essay on the issue but I will keep it brief. Both sides of the coin, atheism and theism are equally unscientific. They both claim to be right, without any hard evidence to back up either case. Maybe there is a god, maybe there is not, I'll bet you $1,000,000 that no one on earth can say for a certainty that they are correct (with proof). Richard Dawkins walks down this path, who claims, without any evidence what so ever to speak of, that a god does not exist. Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI Can anyone say for a certainly that I do not own a pair of pink socks? No. Can anyone say with a certainty that a god does or does not exist? Most certainly not. My point is its pointless, and painfully ironic, to debate an issue where neither side can prove that they are right. You are wrong. We can safely state that any god that has any supposed influence on reality such as Thor or the Biblical God is false. Hence a theistic standpoint is undefendable from my perspective. That does not mean by definition that there is no such thing that we would linguistically describe as a god. But that isn't what atheism claims. Atheism merely claims that all described gods are false (such as Thor or the Biblical God), although that does not mean an atheist can really argue against a non-theistic deist though. on what evidence you build your case against the existence of God from the bible? i am really eager to hear it According to the Bible God has an influence over this world, for example prayer should be heard occasionally. Statistical evidence however does not show this to be case. Likewise other supernatural claims such a day without a night or plagues in Egypt have no basis in reality outside the Bible. check out the internet for the evidence on plagues of egypt and also sodom and gomorah... and man,if you think God doesn't answer prayers,you obviously failed to see the point of prayer God is trying to raise us spiritually,and all prayer is going in that direction |
| Libra II User ID: 1001450 Denmark08/22/2012 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Us who don’t believe don’t believe. The believers will have us believe our unbelief is a belief, which it isn’t cos we simply don’t believe. Quoting: Libra II 1001450 how in the hell call a theist have you believe anything? why not just admit that for some reason that i have yet to figure out both sides of the coin both like to argue about it? Its all about what we know. If you don’t want to believe in the existence of Napoleon, then that’s your unbelief. I admit it’s a tough one Killuminati. Take all the time in the word to think about it. |
| Krime User ID: 5469820 United States08/22/2012 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People either believe or they do not. Both conditions only happen inside the head. Neither has external reality. There are far more important challenges faced by humanity and the constant bickering does nothing to address these issues. Instead of bickering about who is right and who is wrong, we should be putting our heads together to debate solutions to real world problems. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15525324 i beg to differ. although it may be a double edged blade, by a debate, and both sides giving what they have to it, a person can see both sides of the coin so to speak. |
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| Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 19507663 Netherlands08/23/2012 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently you are unaware of the scientific concept of the falsifiable null hypothesis. The null hypothesis that entities for which existence no evidence exist do in fact not exist is perfectly scientific and falsifiable. The null hypothesis that entities for which existence no evidence exist do in fact exist is perfectly unscientific and unfalsifiable.  Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
