Hey, "Jesus is a Myth" Folks! Interested in the Rock Reynolds challenge??

Rock...just one thing.... Satan = FLESH.


It was the fleshly side of Peter that Jesus called Satan.

Yo Rock!

Lets start with the "Sermon on the Mount"...

You will find it pre-dated in the "Lotus Sutra" expounded by Shakyamuni Buddah, oh, by about three Hundred years.

There are indications that "Jesus" was whisked away to the Kashmir (an Historically Large Semite Population, the actual land of "Milk and Honey") as a youngster (from the Port of Alexandria) and was trained in the Mystic traditions of Buddhism.

Here Four short quotes from Holger Kersten's book "Jesus lived in India"
(Element Books 1991 ISBN:0-906540-90-9)


* The 'three wise men' came from India to find the two-year-old Jesus as a High incarnation and influenced his upbringing and his Spiritual and intellectual development.

* Around the age of thirteen Jesus followed the ancient Silk-raod towards India and there he studied living Buddhism. He adopted its tenents and became a Spiritual Master himself.

* Back in Palestine the crucifixion marked the end of his mission as a Messiah, but,- infact did not bring about his Death. Exact analysis of the 'Shroud of Turin' leads to the Scientific proof that Jesus survived the crucifixion and only appeared Dead. (He had of course help from very powerful persons... My addition)

* After the 'resurection' Jesus lived at first in the Near East and later returned to India where he finally died at an old age. His tomb exists in Kashmir to this very day.

So that should be enough to at least start a conversation...

I don't intend to insult your personal Belief-System... but there is more information 'out there' that allows a 'seeker' to come closer to the truth.

Try this link: [link to www.sol.com.au]

Here's an exerpt:

Holger Kersten: "It is simply of vital importance to find again the path to the sources, to the eternal and central truths of Christ's message, which has been shaken almost beyond recognition by the profane ambitions of more or less secular institutions arrogating to themselves a religious authority. This is an attempt to open a way to a new future, firmly founded in the true spiritual and religious sources of the past".

Thus begins Holger Kersten's book "Jesus Lived in India". This German book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the evidence of Christ's life beyond the Middle East before the Crucifixion and in India and elsewhere after it.

This article is a summary of Kersten's exhaustive research into Christ's travels after the Crucifixion, his arrival in India with the Mother Mary and finally his death and entombment in Kashmir. Kersten notes the many parallels of Christ's teachings with other religious and cultural traditions and suggests that at least some of these figures may have been one and the same personality. It is not possible, Kersten asserts, to disprove that Christ went to India. The current information documenting Christ's life is restricted to the gospels and the work of Church theologians. One can hardly trust these sources to be objective considering their obvious interest in maintaining the authority of their Church and its grip on the masses.


The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest that Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian scholar and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys to the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint called "Issa". Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life, teachings and crucifixion.

Perhaps you should re-check who Horus was.

Mithra.

Etc...

You will find if you look back into history that the events attributed by you to be only by the Christ is at best a recurring theme.

Dont worry...for God is God and nothing does not exist so you will not be cast into a burning pit of anything for checking it out or even re-evaluadont_use_thisind obiediance...For if you are part of that God...How can you not be loved Unconditionally...?

You do comprehend that word "Unconditionally" right?

Forget mankind and his obviously flawed rules and regulations....


BTW~What ever did happen with the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Have you ever read the books by the only person to finnish the work he was charged with?

Not saying Jesus is a Myth entirely...Mearly stating that (y)our understandings of it are.

You do understand the signifigance of Kaheh bosum in the Holy Annointing Oil that made Jesus the "Christ"

You know what "Christ" means?

I can go on and on further then that book that is fed to you by those that wish you to be where you are can ever go.

There is ample evidence that Jesus lived, the question is whether he was God and spoke for God.


The one that bothers me is when he tells his deciples that it is better for him to return to the Father so that they might do greater things than he was doing. Rock, I don't see the Church doing greater things. I dont' see the dead being raised. I don't see hospitals being emptied out. ...... Rock.... I don't see prayers being answered.

There have been many Masters over the Many Ages(each about 2100 Yrs) and for Each AGE There was a Master Assigned to ReDirect the Souls of ManKind and the Fallen Ones.

With Each New AGE of Civalisations ManKind Grew.

It was at a set Point that The AlMighty Started to Interact with ManKind Directly(Abrham the First HeBrew.

Think of it this way; God was Bring forth a Seperated People.

And we Have the Start of the Bible People which later became IsRael(Is-Real){Jacob} then the Jews(Johava's Ever WayWord Sons).

And there were Many people in the Old Test. that Were a Shadow of things to Come.

Then the Plan of Salvation was Put in TO FLESH and God's Only Begoten(Brought Forth BY GOD's OWN WILL Not the Will of a Man or Woman) Jesus of Nazareth THE CHRIST Was BORN and then He Died to Redeam All of ManKind from the Curse of the Great Fall inTo Darkness which is The Seperation FROM GOD.

And the SECOND DEATH Is The Seperation From God and His Light For the Remainder of Eternity.

Weather or Not AnyOne Chooses to Believe is Their Own BusyNess.

InIns you Do Not Believe That's OK
It IS YOUR FREE WILL CHOICE.

SO DO NOT Blaim God for YOUR(This Means ANY AND ALL)Poor Choices.

He gave Us Brains to Work With.

SO USE THEM PEOPLE; Think for YourSELF





:boke: } James.


Just Katchen a Ride.?. ! AHead of the PACK.

The calender is split in two; it is due to history(his-story).

RR,

Where the heck does this stuff come from?

With self proclaimed protectors of the faith like you, who needs enemies.

You may return to your stone laden path of life.

First, i must say i have NoT read the Bible, and i do not intend to.It has a lot of good teachings in it [so i heard from my parents,teachers,TV,radio,etc].
But i think i am not mistaken when i say that NONE,NONE of the words in the Bible were EVER Written by God...I said WRITTEN, therefore,if u stated that most ,if not all his apostles failed him,why wouldn't all the other writers of the bible fail him ?
And why would an Allmighty God let himself be portraied and remembered forever in a LIE ?
Do you know that if u get caught with a Lie in a court, ALL,ALL your deposition will be disregarded ? How can anyone trust a book filled with lies, as you said ? Because u said that you can spot God once every 1000 LIES ? PLEASE,

"I don't see the Church doing greater things. I dont' see the dead being raised. "


You are not looking spiritually. Look spiritually and you will see the spiritually dead are now being raised and seeing real truth.

LOL,the real truth ?
*Kids getting slaughtered in Iraq >>> God does nothing;
*12 y.o. Girls being sold as sex toys; >>> God does nothing;
*USA Killing anything they want >>> God does nothing;
*Innocent men on death row >>> God does nothing;
*Genocides >>> God does nothing;
*Destruction of nations >>> God does nothing;

WHY DO U THINK GOD will Suddenly CARE FOR U ONCE U'RE DEAD ??????
Let me tell u what i think u'll get

I assume that there is a point to all this?

And btw 'Rocky' u ain't a challenge....just a desperate cry for some light...just like the rest...

You guys are all so far out, I really don't know what fantasy galaxy you come from.
The idea that two gods are represented in the old and new testaments is so absurd, only a biblical illiterate could consider such a silly thing.
Actually, virtually EVERYTHING "Jesus" said was already said in the "old testament", including the commandment of G-d, that "Jesus", and "Jesus" ONLY is the authorized teacher of G-d's Word.
Any of you skim the "new testament" enough to catch the part where "Jesus" said to call no man teacher, or rabbi,as He and He alone would be your teacher? He was only reiterating the commandment of the Father, following the dissolution of the Judaic Priesthood.
Just like today, the temptation to use perceived "Holiness" for selfish ends, ala Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson, et al, was too much for mortal men.
And so, G-d proclaimed an end to human teachers, promising to raise up "Christ" to be mankind's ONLY teacher.
One of you posters wanted to attribute the Sermon on the Mount to some Indian demon worship crap,saying it presaged the new testament by 300 years.
So, in other words,it followed the old testament by nearly a millenium.So much for the idea of Indian demon worship being cutting edge.
Really, if you guys would spend a quarter of the time you spend trying to defame something you aren't even familliar with, on studying the Word, you might finally learn something useful, instead of posting these endless and baseless fantasies.

380 >>> >>...and "Jesus" ONLY is the authorized teacher of G-d's Word.<<
Copyright infringements......

Reality is a myth. When I opened the 5th seal at the right hand side of the Father, or should I say when the dark queen said I had opened it, and I fell back down to Earth, remembering I had to fall for love for a dark queen in South Africa. Is this a reality? or is it a myth? the living Father is a reflective spirit of Mars. The christed conscience is a reflective spirit of Mercury.

My God dwells in the colliseum of the universe, next to the cathedral of the heavens in the throne room, is where my god dwells. And I am the spirit that reflects his spirit, which also is a reflection of Mercury. Me and my Father are one, and me and the holy spirit are aligned, this is the last year of his martyrs, so I dont think it'll be long before events on the Earth will unfold. If the bible is true to its word, then that would put the date of the 3rd June 06 3/6/06 being 3 1/2 years after the 5th seal was opened.

i think ur god is closer to satan more than God

Hi everyone!!

Lots of responses, hope I don't get overwhelmed.

A general comment, I still have not seen ONE post address ANY of the Jesus statements I listed.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I'll be back this afternoon to address every person who has posted on this thread (time permitting).


Rap wif ya' soon.

Rock

i think ur god is closer to satan more than God
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Do you stand on top of your ego? or does it stand on top of you? My God is a God of love and truth that allows me to overcome my ego. I blame my father for that bit! lol

In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I did not come to abolish, but fulfill." (Matt. 5: 17)

If the Law and the Prophets are from Satan why would Jesus be interested in fulfilling them?

Greetings all!!


Four opening comments.
- Comment #1. Notice the irony in which Christians viciously attack a thread whose theme is: “Jesus is not a myth.”
- Comment #2. Notice the irony in which Christians viciously attack the thread that claims “that the message of Jesus is the most profound message in the history of mankind”.
- Comment #3. So far, only one person, 59777, has even addressed the Rock Reynolds Challenge at all.
- Comment #4. So far, this thread is not going in the direction I intended. Not to worry!! I’m like a leaf in the wind. I’ll go any way the wind blows.




Hi 58373!! Thanx for the comment! Unfortunately for mankind, Peter was all flesh.



Hi 59777!! Thanx for checkin’ in!

59777, you say that the “Lotus Sutra” occurred AFTER the Sermon on the Mount, which corresponds with a Google search I performed.

59777, the dates of the “Lotus Sutra” SUPPORT the theme of this thread.

The Rock Reynolds challenge is to find a myth that occurred BEFORE the stories of Jesus, not after.

Maybe I should have used the word “before” instead of the word “pre-existed”.

By your own admission, 59777, the “Lotus Sutra” must have been based on the teachings of Jesus, not the other way around.



Hi 55779!! Welcome aboard!

55779, I don’t understand the overall logic of your post.

Yes, 55779, I do understand what “unconditionally” means, and I do understand what “Christ” is. “Christ” is a lie from the Old Testament, that the Satanic church claimed to prophesy Jesus.



Hi 58559!!

58559, excellent comments! Here’s the Rock Reynolds take on your two issues:

Issue #1 – Jesus as God. We are all God, Jesus too.

Issue #2 – Whether or not Jesus spoke for God. 58559, take a look at the things that Jesus spoke to a crowd and see if you don’t think that they came from God. The issues with which you are struggling, came from the DISCIPLES or PAUL, not Jesus. 58559, if the Disciples claim that Jesus said something, it is a lie, not a lie from Jesus, but a lie from the Disciples. For instance, the entire 24th Chapter of Matthew is a lie. Jesus NEVER spoke those words to the Disciples. They are all liars. If an issue, such as “Eternal Life” was important enough for Jesus to address, he told the crowd.

58559, you make an excellent point about prayers not being answered. Here’s the Rock Reynolds take. 58559, people have been fooled about God. God is NOT almighty. Furthermore, a vast number of “prayers” ask for Satan’s “riches”, not God’s riches. 58559, MY prayers are being answered. I think that you and many others are just looking in the wrong place for the answers.



Hi Well Let’s See!! Thanx for checkin’ in!

Well Let’s See, the portions of the Bible you identify are the portions that I identified as lies in my opening post. Well Let’s See, I agree with the “Jesus is a Myth” Folks for all of the items you cited.

Well Let’s see, I absolutely liked what you had to say about blaming God. See my comments to TunaFish below about blaming God.



Hi Matrix!! Excellent observation. The existence of Jesus had a profound effect upon mankind, more so than just religions. As you point out, our whole calendar is based on this character, myth or not. Furthermore, a whole new fake religion, Christianity, had to be invented at this time, to cover up the message of Jesus. There was lots of stuff goin’ on, including a Diaspora. Matrix, interesting comment on “history” also.



Hi fnfal!! Thanx for the comments!

fnfal, you said:

“Where the heck does this stuff come from?”

fnfal, did you not like the BIBLICAL passages I cited in my opening post??? The answer to your question, is that my “stuff” came from the Bible, and I point out the passages that support my belief. Please, fnfal, feel free to address any of the 15 scriptural references I used in the opening post.



Hi TunaFish!! Thanx for your enthusiastic response! Where do I begin???

TunaFish, you claim that there can be no words from God in the Bible. Did you read my opening post??? I cited 15 passages that I claim to be from God. Do you claim that “Love your neighbor” could not have come from God???

TunaFish, if you don’t believe in the ideals that I listed in my opening post, then what’s your beef with the War in Iraq? I claim, TunaFish, that the War in Iraq VIOLATES the teachings of Jesus, which I listed in the opening post, and which you claim cannot be true.


Which, TunaFish, brings me to the subject of “Free Will”.

Apparently, TunaFish, nobody done ever as’plained to ya’ the meaning of “Free Will”. Please, TunaFish, let me enlighten you on the meaning of “Free Will”. But just for you, I will explain God’s concept of “Free Will” using the “adult” explanation.

The meaning of “Free Will”, TunaFish, is that if you’re so stupid that you let Satan trick you into destroying yourself, then you DESERVE your fate. God CANNOT stop you from destroying yourself. It is up to each of us to decide which “God” to follow: Satan or God.

Furthermore, TunaFish, the “evil” in the world can only affect you, if you let it affect you. Each of us has the power to be happy within our own “realm”. Although I am opposed to the War in Iraq, I do not let it affect my happiness. I do not have authority or responsibility for the War. I have made it clear to God and Satan and our Government that I am opposed to the War, and that’s all I can do.

TunaFish, if you don’t like my explanation about “evil”, please explain whether or not you believe in “Good” and “Evil”. If there is no difference, as I claim there to be, then why are you on this thread???

TunaFish, you say:
“Because u said that you can spot God once every 1000 LIES?”

TunaFish, that’s EXACTLY what I said. I claim, TunaFish, to be able to read whether or not Jesus was in front of a crowd. That’s all there is to it. No rocket surgery or brain science here! You, TunaFish, will never be able to see this simple truth, because you are too afraid to look at the evidence that I so amply provided in my opening post.

TunaFish, you also said:
“and ‘Jesus’ ONLY is the authorized teacher of G-d's Word.”

Reasonable comment, TunaFish.

The answer to this issue is that, ultimately, Jesus is NOT the authority for the 15 laws of God I posted. Instead, TunaFish, the ultimate authority that these messages came from God is your conscience, if you have one. As great of a man as Jesus was, he was ONLY a messenger. The item of ultimate importance is the MESSAGE, not the messenger. Jesus would be the first to tell you so.



Hi 58874!! Nice comment!

You said, “the spiritually dead are now being raised and seeing real truth.”

I agree. I see more people questioning the institutional dogma.



Hi 19.47!! Thanx for checkin’ in!

19.47, read the opening post, which PROVES that Jesus was NOT a myth.



Hi 380!! Thanx for checkin’ in!

380, take a look at my 15 scriptural references in the opening post. If you will notice, many of these statements conflict DIRECTLY with the Old Testament:
- That punishment of adulterers is wrong.
- That “eye for an eye” is wrong.
- That Moses’ 10 Commandments are INSUFFICIENT to inherit eternal life.
- That making oaths to God, comes from Evil.
- When you pray, don’t go to church.
- That God’s entire law, depends ONLY upon TWO simple commandments.

380, how do you conclude that Jesus thought well of the Old Testament? Did I misquote something???

And, 380, unlike the “God” of the Old Testament, the God of Jesus, whose entire law consist of two commandments, says NOTHING about punishment for violating the rules. There’s a BIG CLUE here.



Hi 53732!! Thanx for the comment!

Honestly, I’m not sure what point you’re making.



Hi SHEEP!! Welcome to the thread!

Excellent comment, SHEEP. You asked what Jesus meant when he said that he came to “fulfill the law”.

SHEEP, Christians are sorely mistaken that “The Law” to which Jesus referred was the Old Testament. Contrary to Christian belief, Jesus was VERY SPECIFIC about the “Law” he came to fulfill:
- Love God; and,
- Love your neighbor.
“It is upon these two Commandments that reside ALL of the Law.” (Matthew, Ch 22, v 40).



Rap wif ya’ later.

Rock

Yeah, Hi Rock:

>>You asked what Jesus meant when he said that he came to “fulfill the law”.<<

I asked about The Law and _the Prophets_.

If the Prophets are a Satanic institution why would Jesus want to fulfill them?

Why would He quote Malachi (to the multitudes) in Matt. 11: 10? Who was John the Baptist?

RR said:
"I want to see the pre-existence of the following statements, NOT pre-existence of a name ...
1. God’s entire kingdom is based ONLY on two laws: “Love God”; and “Treat others as you want to be treated”. (Matthew, Ch 22, v 40)

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I'm not quite sure how you can claim the two laws (of love toward God and love toward neighbor) did not predate Christ, since He quoted them out of the Old Testament torah:

"Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Mat. 22:34-40)

So your point #1 falls ...

Yo Rock!

Dude, thanks for the responce. The dates for the Life-span of the Historical Buddah is approximately 566 B.C. to aproximately 410 B.C. The expounding of the Lotus Sutra happened in the last third of his life, so that would put the date at around, lets say 400 B.C.

I dunno, but according to my math that predates Jesus by about, what, 400 years... Thats 400 years more or less for the influence of this Great teaching to circulate the "known" world, and in many places (India for one) become an entrenched philosophy. If Jesus did in fact travel to India (Kashmir) in his youth, he would have most definitely been introduced to this Teaching, and would have expounded it as an Adult. His Teachings would of course be directed to the capasity to comprehend of his Audience.

Does it really matter who expounded this "Great" teaching first, or that it would be repeated in many places, and from many perspectives based on the hearer's capasity? I doubt it!

What really is important is, the fact that the message got out at all.

Back at ya!

Good thread Rock and an excellent point concerning the statements made to crowds.

I have pretty much come to the same conclusions as you have except that I arrived there utilizing other avenues.

I myself hold most of the NT suspect in that ALL the "received texts" originated around 300 AD pointing to a concerted effort on the part of the deceivers (Scribes/Pharisees/Zionists) to proliferate their newly crafted "christian" works.

Another recording of Jesus's statements is found in "The Book of the Kailedy", and IMO, is an accurate account of his teachings which, surprise surprise, mirror what you and I have concluded.

Also, the translation rework I did in the OT BEFORE reading either the Kolbrin or Kailedy also shows the same God referenced by Jesus. The Book of Ezekiel (my translation) is THE message to be delivered to His/Her renegade children on their pompous arrival to earth. Should you be interested, these translations can be read in entirety here;


[link to s14.invisionfree.com]


As for Jesus being the incarnation of "The Self Existent One", I still have not decided. In any event, it is possible and would make some sense since The Self Existent One requires ALL of His/Her children to do at least one stint here in the "vineyard". This type of "fairness" is quite consistent with the Self Existent One and His/Her desire to share in everything of His/Her children.

In any event, the message delivered was the real point as well the laying down the chalice so to speak for all incarnated children "from above" who arrived afterward. The whole purpose of this age of rebellion is focused on the one thing which did in fact have the "disciples" fighting among themselves (thereby showing themselves to be unfit for these postitions), the "showing" of those who will be replacing those who rebelled from their ruling positions. Therein is the "secret" which Lucifer/Satan REALLY doesn't want you to know, because the success of this ONLY is that which is going to terminate their frolicking at the expense of God's children.

Once the renegade rulers are replaced with the "tender shoots from the bottom of the Mountain" THEN will the rest of God's children be "salvaged" to the Divine Laws you quote. Surprising to many will be the salvaging of so many thought to be "irretreivable".

Again, nice thread. Keep em on their toes. :-)

380... Dude, no need to be embarrased about your inabilities in math. Here's a hint: 460 B.C. is 460years Before Christ. that would make the message of that "Indian Deamon Worshiper" (LOL) the chicken, and the message of Jesus the Egg.

I'm tryin' to help here; Which part of "the Lotus Sutra was expounded before the Sermon on the Mount" did you not understand?

Back at ya!

The story of Jesus Christ is to perfect to be made up. No mortal could have dreamed it.

713... Dude, you really should read much more... (shaking head in disbelief)

The Jesus myth is just a rehashed greco-hebrew version of the standard classical mystery religions. It isn't really an improvement on the other variations. It's a tragedy that western civilization but all of its eggs in this one basket, IMHO.