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Professional Painter - question about paint/primer

 
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Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
I need to paint a room that is blood red in colour. The colour has not been chosen yet but will be a light colour.
I don't want to have to put 3 or 4 coats of paint on the red to cover it.
-What do you think of tinted primers? What brand is best,
-What about a stain block like Zinsser?
-A friend said his mother always used silver paint as a overcoat, after which she could paint any colour and the old colour could not be seen
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
Silver works it it uses aluminum flakes.
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
5a

Since you are dealing with red I would advise 2 coats of a full bodied paint be used tinted to the new color you have chosen. Behr which is Home Depot or Valspar which is Lowes are moderately priced. Sherwin Williams A 100 is a bit pricier but good quality as well.
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
KILLS primer, use face mask, and do not drive after painting or opporate heavy machinery LOL
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
it's gonna take a few coats no matter what you do...

def use use tinted primer...i would do 2 coats and two coats of paint

*im not a proffesional
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
A coat or two of a lightly tinted primer will take much of the work load down. I've heard great things about the Kilts, but unless your red is oil based you'd mostlikely not need a stain blocker. Though such a thing never hurts, but for the pocketbook pricetag.
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
Prof. painters must not have the best sperm... or braincells.


VOC's sheesh. You KNOW they have too big an ego for a VOC-proof mask
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
Prof. painters must not have the best sperm... or braincells.


VOC's sheesh. You KNOW they have too big an ego for a VOC-proof mask
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LOL eggs in this case,
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
It is best to do it once, right the first time, Use KILLS first, You can tint it. You will save time and money doing it once. And owwwwweee the pain the pain, less work, less pain.
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Put A1 steak sauce on it
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
A lot of bad advice here...

Get a good quality, general drywall primer and have a little extra white tint added to it - along with a drop of black. Any paint store will do that for you no problem.

- You don't need a stain blocker because paint is not a stain.

- You don't need SW A-100 because that is exterior primer.

- You don't need silver paint.

- Kilz is for stain blocking - you don't need that.

So once you prime the wall with the gray primer, you'll need to do two coats of the new paint color and it'll be perfect....just as long as you use the right nap roller cover and a good quality paint.
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
And when I say "gray primer", I mean a dirty white - not real gray. You need that extra black in the primer to better cover the red.
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
For those that recommend KIZ stain block as a primer. Do you have any experience using it as a primer? I ask because I'm wondering about coverage over a solid colour.
I'm pretty sure the red is acrylic not alklyd
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
A lot of bad advice here...

Get a good quality, general drywall primer and have a little extra white tint added to it - along with a drop of black. Any paint store will do that for you no problem.

- You don't need a stain blocker because paint is not a stain.

- You don't need SW A-100 because that is exterior primer.

- You don't need silver paint.

- Kilz is for stain blocking - you don't need that.

So once you prime the wall with the gray primer, you'll need to do two coats of the new paint color and it'll be perfect....just as long as you use the right nap roller cover and a good quality paint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465586


A lot of bad advice here...

Get a good quality, general drywall primer and have a little extra white tint added to it - along with a drop of black. Any paint store will do that for you no problem.

- You don't need a stain blocker because paint is not a stain.

- You don't need SW A-100 because that is exterior primer.

- You don't need silver paint.

- Kilz is for stain blocking - you don't need that.

So once you prime the wall with the gray primer, you'll need to do two coats of the new paint color and it'll be perfect....just as long as you use the right nap roller cover and a good quality paint.
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AC you sound like you know what you are talking about. I appreciate the input, and don't mean to offend. Are you a painter or do you work at a paint store?

I'm puzzled by the drop of black in the primer. Only one? Would your method of tinting the primer be a better idea that say tinting the primer the same colour as the finish coat?
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08/26/2012 07:23 PM
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
A lot of bad advice here...

Get a good quality, general drywall primer and have a little extra white tint added to it - along with a drop of black. Any paint store will do that for you no problem.

- You don't need a stain blocker because paint is not a stain.

- You don't need SW A-100 because that is exterior primer.

- You don't need silver paint.

- Kilz is for stain blocking - you don't need that.

So once you prime the wall with the gray primer, you'll need to do two coats of the new paint color and it'll be perfect....just as long as you use the right nap roller cover and a good quality paint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465586


A lot of bad advice here...

Get a good quality, general drywall primer and have a little extra white tint added to it - along with a drop of black. Any paint store will do that for you no problem.

- You don't need a stain blocker because paint is not a stain.

- You don't need SW A-100 because that is exterior primer.

- You don't need silver paint.

- Kilz is for stain blocking - you don't need that.

So once you prime the wall with the gray primer, you'll need to do two coats of the new paint color and it'll be perfect....just as long as you use the right nap roller cover and a good quality paint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465586



AC you sound like you know what you are talking about. I appreciate the input, and don't mean to offend. Are you a painter or do you work at a paint store?

I'm puzzled by the drop of black in the primer. Only one? Would your method of tinting the primer be a better idea that say tinting the primer the same colour as the finish coat?
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I used to manage a paint store.

Yes, you don't need much black to turn white into a dirty white/gray.

Everyone wants to tint the primer to the same color but tests show that color over gray provides a truer color on the first coat, than that same color over itself. It sounds hard to believe but try it out -- it's true.
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
A lot of bad advice here...

Get a good quality, general drywall primer and have a little extra white tint added to it - along with a drop of black. Any paint store will do that for you no problem.

- You don't need a stain blocker because paint is not a stain.

- You don't need SW A-100 because that is exterior primer.

- You don't need silver paint.

- Kilz is for stain blocking - you don't need that.

So once you prime the wall with the gray primer, you'll need to do two coats of the new paint color and it'll be perfect....just as long as you use the right nap roller cover and a good quality paint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465586



AC you sound like you know what you are talking about. I appreciate the input, and don't mean to offend. Are you a painter or do you work at a paint store?

I'm puzzled by the drop of black in the primer. Only one? Would your method of tinting the primer be a better idea that say tinting the primer the same colour as the finish coat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22093028


I used to manage a paint store.

Yes, you don't need much black to turn white into a dirty white/gray.

Everyone wants to tint the primer to the same color but tests show that color over gray provides a truer color on the first coat, than that same color over itself. It sounds hard to believe but try it out -- it's true.
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thank you, will be taking your advice
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
To do the job right, apply the primer with a 1/2" polyester roller cover -- don't get a cheap one or it'll leave fur on the wall.

When applying your paint, use a 1/2" soft wool roller cover if the paint is a satin/eg-shell finish. If the paint is a flat finish, then use a 3/4" soft wool. If you go with 1/2" on a flat paint and you aren't a professional painter, you'll have hat-banding everywhere.

I'd also recommend using a 2'-4' extension pole when painting standard 8' to 9' walls, and get a deep-well paint pan to roll out of. Don't use all that cheap crap or you'll have a bad experience.

Good luck OP!
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Re: Professional Painter - question about paint/primer
To do the job right, apply the primer with a 1/2" polyester roller cover -- don't get a cheap one or it'll leave fur on the wall.

When applying your paint, use a 1/2" soft wool roller cover if the paint is a satin/eg-shell finish. If the paint is a flat finish, then use a 3/4" soft wool. If you go with 1/2" on a flat paint and you aren't a professional painter, you'll have hat-banding everywhere.

I'd also recommend using a 2'-4' extension pole when painting standard 8' to 9' walls, and get a deep-well paint pan to roll out of. Don't use all that cheap crap or you'll have a bad experience.

Good luck OP!
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Thanks again.
Rollers here are metric, I'll need to convert. Appreciate the tip on the roller tube covering. I have always just used 13mm polyester lol

Is "hat-banding" the overlap of roller strokes?