How many of you think that Venus is brighter than normal? | |
anabel User ID: 16007817 United States 08/30/2012 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Reality42- User ID: 19327440 United States 08/30/2012 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't try to account for an individual's eyesight. How could it account for a blind man's inability to see? Quoting: Reality420 19327440 That is the whole point of instrumentation - With instrumentation it is possible for a blind man to measure the visual magnitude of venus. R. See that word BELIEVE in the poll question? The word believe and remove the observer's subjective biases and frailties to measure objective reality do not work together.The whole post as worded is an exercise in futility for all sides. It's like 2 people pushing on opposite sides of an immoveable object. Yes, I see the word "believe". It doesn't change the answer to your question about Astro's intended use of instrumentation to measure the magnitude of venus. His poll question is worded appropriately. No one doubts that people "believe" they are seeing venus "brighter" than they ever have. In some instances it may actually be subjectively true due to medical changes. Astro's results will challenge the perceptions of some and hopefully be a cause for reflection. It is going to be a demonstration of one of the first principles of the scientific method - Do not fool yourself (or lie to yourself), and you are the easiest one for you to fool. So, you'll get no argument from me that he's asking people what they "believe". I doubt anyone is going to argue that they actually "believe" that venus is brighter/dimmer than it has ever been. You will get an argument if you remove the subjective premise of the statement and insist that venus is, in "fact", brighter/dimmer than it should be. R. |
RomeoKiller User ID: 16210985 United States 08/31/2012 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't try to account for an individual's eyesight. How could it account for a blind man's inability to see? Quoting: Reality420 19327440 That is the whole point of instrumentation - With instrumentation it is possible for a blind man to measure the visual magnitude of venus. R. See that word BELIEVE in the poll question? The word believe and remove the observer's subjective biases and frailties to measure objective reality do not work together.The whole post as worded is an exercise in futility for all sides. It's like 2 people pushing on opposite sides of an immoveable object. Yes, I see the word "believe". It doesn't change the answer to your question about Astro's intended use of instrumentation to measure the magnitude of venus. His poll question is worded appropriately. No one doubts that people "believe" they are seeing venus "brighter" than they ever have. In some instances it may actually be subjectively true due to medical changes. Astro's results will challenge the perceptions of some and hopefully be a cause for reflection. It is going to be a demonstration of one of the first principles of the scientific method - Do not fool yourself (or lie to yourself), and you are the easiest one for you to fool. So, you'll get no argument from me that he's asking people what they "believe". I doubt anyone is going to argue that they actually "believe" that venus is brighter/dimmer than it has ever been. You will get an argument if you remove the subjective premise of the statement and insist that venus is, in "fact", brighter/dimmer than it should be. R. So instead of telling people that they can't be seeing a brighter Venus,tell them why they are.Too many people are seeing a brighter hotter sun,brighter stars,and stars they never saw before.Why? It's really a simple answer in my area but Im not asking myself,I'm asking You. If I have to kill you it’s just Business |
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++MarketSellOff++ User ID: 1426914 United States 09/03/2012 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This brings me back memories from the Venus is not Venus tards again. And they seem to be in this thread. |
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