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))) Random SETH Ruminations (((

 
Freyja

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Thanks for that link Zack. I have been reading. Some of it is challenging to wrap my mind around. Maybe I need to just sit with a couple quotes at a time and see how they sink in?

Those who have extremely strong hidden self-conscious selves have the need for greater use of individuality, and these people therefore create what would be called another plane in waking hours, through the use of art forms. ~ Seth (Sess.31)

For example, what does this mean, "extremely strong hidden self conscious selves"?

It seems to me in being honest with myself that individuality has always been a central theme in this life for me..sometimes it seems to be to my detriment because conforming to others expectations of who *they* think I am normally just infuriates me.





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Asgardhr,…my point was,…that the concept of a Seth generator is most excellent. I did not mean to imply that Ramtha should be mixed into the Seth material. But at some latter time,…a similar generator of Ramtha quotes would be just as interesting.

I am new to Ramtha,... but, like you, read all the Seth books years ago. Maybe this is prep work for Ramtha?

Freyja,.. “…because conforming to others expectations of who *they* think I am normally just infuriates me.”

Why would you waste your precious time in contemplation of the expectations of others?!!?

I found the Seth material most illuminating years ago,…it was my introduction to where I Now find myself. To explore it with illuminated souls like you and asgardhr,…would be a real treat and learning experience for me,... and I would imagine many, many others. And I most definitely would learn from the other souls that frequent this forum as is often the case.


Z
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I like it that we have a thread for the Seth Material going on the board now. It seems enough of a topic for this thread. If someone wants to start a thread for Ramtha, they should, otherwise I vote we leave Ramtha out of this thread and stick with Seth.

Old Seth fan from way back. And it does seem as though people who read his books in the seventies are going back to re-read them now.

Maybe, this time around, more people will connect about it rather than having it be a private study. Certainly there are a lot of rich ideas to discuss in the material and lots of ideas for things to try too.

Seth certainly emphasized the dream state and the importance of learning to remember your dreams. Even if someone didn't get anything else out of the books except that, that would be a big thing to bring away from the material.

- - mercury
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Zack,

It is a little more like this, there are people in this world who feel it is their place to play armchair psychologist to the inner workings of a person based on limited understandings of our internal workings.

I still would like an explanation about what "extremely strong hidden self conscious" means in the quote...want to give it a whirl?

This Seth material is all new to me so I am going to need to digest slowly.
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Freyja-Here is a good passage that I read this morning...


"When you paint a picture...you are dealing with a transformation of energy and a transformation of camouflage pattern. There is a moment, a brief but vital moment in such an act of creation, when you are dealing with the underlying vitality of which I have spoken. You are forced because of your earthly physical situation to transform this creative energy into another camouflage pattern. There is nothing else you can do. But for this moment you pluck this vitality from the inner senses, you grab hold of this fuel with both hands. You have it. You transform it into a somewhat different more evocative new camouflage pattern that is nevertheless more fluent, more fluid, than the usual pattern, and which gives greater freedom and mobility to the basic fuel or vitality itself. You approach a transmigration of planes.

THE EARLY SESSIONS: Book One
Page 135
Session 19 - 27 January 1964
Freyja

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see...i do not get that at all asgardhr. what is a camouflage pattern?

Does it just take a while to pick up the lingo?
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"For example, what does this mean, "extremely strong hidden self conscious selves"?"


Freyja-This is a small portion of a considerably larger argument. He speaks in that session about the entity having two consciousnesses. One is facing inward into the depths, the other facing out [thru camouflage] reality into the manifest world. And the subconscious is the meeting-ground of these two aspects of self.
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Freyja-Camouflage pattern is everything you see in this reality. It is the dressing upon the invisible wireframe of intent.
asgardhr  (OP)

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"And it does seem as though people who read his books in the seventies are going back to re-read them now."

Yeah. What else is there around worth reading these days? Not much really.

And now we have THE EARLY SESSIONS...it's just like starting over!
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Freyja-This is a small portion of a considerably larger argument. He speaks in that session about the entity having two consciousnesses. One is facing inward into the depths, the other facing out [thru camouflage] reality into the manifest world. And the subconscious is the meeting-ground of these two aspects of self.


Would this be the male (facing outward) amd the female (facig inward)..if it is I get it. If not I will continue to mull.

And...so the outside reality is projections of our inner reality only it is camouflaged till we see how it is all reflection of our thought processes?

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Freyja,

Seth's vocabulary is unique to say the least. I started the books in order with Seth Speaks (at the time the early sessions weren't available). I underlined just about everything in the first two books and was utterly lost. The new words and information was so densely pack that I just couldn't assimilate it all. Then one day, boom! I just understood it.

Sometimes he uses words are kinda obtuse, but if you hang in there you eventually "get it". When you do, he's amazingly uplifting and call fill you with awe at the possiblitites the experience of life offers.

Camoflage (sp) refers to everything you see around you, smell, touch, taste, hear being an illusion. It's symbolic and represents the inner self. It's a bit more detailed than that, but that synopsis is the gist of it. I posted a quote of Seth's at the beginning of this thread about objects as symbols. It was posted yesterday on a Seth mailing list I frequent in response to a person asking about the "point" of pain.
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57767

thank you. this is my first exposure so it will just take a while to sink in...okay i am up for some mind expansion...it has been awhile..... actually since Ramtha and Osho.




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Freyja-Camouflage is just one way of putting it. You could call it clothing just as well. The exterior [manifest] world is a 'translation' of inner intent. Feelings fleshed out.

Male/Female? That is quite possible, though I don't think that Seth distinguishes them in that manner. This may be a deeper creative duality than the male/female configuration, though related too.
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(Feelings fleshed out.)


I GOT IT applause


please bear with me over the course of this ....i feel quite fortuanate to have translators on board this trip.
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I have said often that any action changes that which acts and that which is acted upon. ~ Seth



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Hi lady,

You wrote...
"I have said often that any action changes that which acts and that which is acted upon. ~ Seth ?"

... going with them 'feelings fleshed out' kinda flavourings, maybe think/feel them loverlies as being like colours, and in a most splendid never ending tapestry... every colour added, or fleshed out, changes not only the weaver but the overall tapistry as well. Thus there is always a natural give and take between the weaver and that which is being weaved upon.

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Yes. Tis an organic experience.

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"Yes. Tis an organic experience."

... and most intimately so, it is it is.

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Seth on 'The Conscious Mind'

Experience is the product of the mind, the spirit, conscious thoughts and feelings, and unconscious thoughts and feelings. These together form the reality that you know. You are hardly at the mercy of a reality, therefore, that exists apart from yourself, or is thrust upon you, You are so intimate1y connected with the physical events composing your life experience that often you cannot distinguish between the seemingly material occurrences and the thoughts, expectations and desires that gave them birth. If there are strongly negative characteristics present in your most intimate thoughts, if these actually form bars between you and a more full life, still you often look through the bars, not seeing them. Until they are recognized they are impediments. Even obstacles have a reason for being. If they are your own, then it is up to you to recognize them and discover the circumstances behind their existence. Your conscious thoughts can be great clues in uncovering such obstructions. You are not nearly as familiar with your own thoughts as you may imagine. They can escape from you like water through your fingers, carrying with them vital nutrients that spread across the landscape of your psyche- - -and all too often carrying sludge and mud that clog up the channels of experience and creativity.

An examination of your conscious thoughts will tell you much about the state of your inner mind, your intentions and expectations, and will often lead you to a direct confrontation with challenges and problems. Your thoughts, studied, will let you see where you are going. They point clearly to the nature of physical events. What exists physically exists first in thought and feeling. There is no other rule.

You have the conscious mind for a good reason. You are not at the 'mercy' of unconscious drives unless you consciously acquiesce to them. Your present feelings and expectations can always be used to check your progress. If you do not like your experience, then you must change the nature of your conscious thoughts and expectations. You must alter the kind of messages that you are sending through your thoughts to your own body, to friends and associates. Each thought has a result, in your terms. The same kind of thought, habitually repeated, will seem to have a more or less permanent effect. If you like the effect then you seldom examine the thought. If you find yourself assailed by physical difficulties, however, you begin to wonder what is wrong. Sometimes you blame others, your own background, or a previous life -- if you accept reincarnation. You may hold God or the devil responsible, or you may simply say, "That is life," and accept the negative experience as a necessary portion of your lot.

You may finally come to a ha1f-understanding of the nature of reality and wail, "I believe that I have caused these ill effects, but I find myself unable to reverse them."
If this is the case, then regardless of what you have told yourself thus far, you still do not believe that you are the creator of your own experience. As soon as you recognize this fact you can begin at once to alter those conditions that cause you dismay or dissatisfaction.

No one forces you to think in any particular manner. In the past you may have learned to consider things pessimistically. You may believe that pessimism is more realistic than optimism. You may even suppose, and many do, that sorrow is ennobling, a sign of deep spiritualism, a mark of apartness, a necessary mental garb of saints and poets. Nothing could be further from the truth. All consciousness has within it the deep abiding impetus to use its abilities fully, to expand its capacities, to venture joyfully beyond the seeming barriers of its own experience. The very consciousnesses within the smallest molecules cry out against any ideas of limitation. They yearn toward new forms and experiences. Even atoms, then, constantly seek to join in new organizations of structure and meaning. They do this "instinctively."

Man has been endowed, and has endowed himself, with a conscious mind to direct the nature, shape and form of his creations. All deep aspirations and unconscious motivations, all unspoken drives, rise up for the approval or disapproval of the conscious mind, and await its direction. Only when it abdicates its functions does it allow itself to become swayed by "negative" experience. Only when it refuses responsibility does it finally find itself at the seeming mercy of events over which it appears to have no control.
(thanks ever S&J)

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Asgardhr Posted>>“"For example, what does this mean, "extremely strong hidden self conscious selves"?"

Freyja-This is a small portion of a considerably larger argument. He speaks in that session about the entity having two consciousnesses. One is facing inward into the depths, the other facing out [thru camouflage] reality into the manifest world. And the subconscious is the meeting-ground of these two aspects of self.”

Freyja posted>>”Would this be the male (facing outward) and the female (facing inward)..if it is I get it. If not I will continue to mull.

And...so the outside reality is projections of our inner reality only it is camouflaged till we see how it is all reflection of our thought processes?”

bikeFreyja,…my take on the whole thing is based upon recent Jungian readings I have made lately. What is fascinating to me is how beautifully all this is coming together in all its aggregate parts for me,... now,

When we are born as children, we have an unformed persona. That is, we have no personal ego that would make us an individual. As we grow and learn,….the people in our lives and our societal environment force us to adopt a persona/ posture/mask.

This mask may not represent who we really are inside. To get along in the societal situations we find ourselves in, we bury the attributes of ourselves that would lead to friction and judgment in our everyday dealings. This forms a shadow ‘complex’ (collection of related traits) that lurks within our subconscious. We also develop other complexes based upon individual traumas we suffer while maturing. These are denizens of the unconscious as well.
For instance, if one is abused by a parent or authority figure,… and not given justice; We would submerge this into our subconscious in the form of a complex that may be activated when other people remind us of the trauma,…subconsciously.

Also,… the animus and anima are the male and female aspects in both man and woman. These are shaped by the examples set by members of the opposite sex we use as role models,... to fashion our concepts of the opposite sex.
In the male the anima is the inward facing female aspect. In the Female,…the animus. The 'persona' is the outward facing mask in both.

IMO,…when Seth speaks of “extremely strong hidden self conscious selves",…he may be talking about all these buried internal constructions that are hidden within,…but show their faces in people we meet or correspond with that yank our emotional chains.

Whew!!! This is deep stuff and I did not do it proper justice I’m sure. But maybe someone else can crystallize further….


Z
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Absolutely smile_hear Seth!!!



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When someone elses words touch or coincide with your inner most feelings there is a conjunction. You connect with the idea because it is in synchronicity with your own mind. In a way it helps you to realize who you are, or at least a part of who you are. It can show us the common energy of life that connects us all.

With all the division affecting us at this time throughout the world, but especially in the US, we need to reach out and cherish this commonality between us. We will need it desparately in the future.

I am no genius, but I know we must make these connections..... if we wait too long we will fail to be prepared for what is coming. It grows inside me more each day. Yes of course I am influenced by the negative things I read, but would I be a fool to ignore these things?

Possibly there is nothing to cement the bond between the people that know except the realization that a tragedy is upon us and in order to survive we must moderate our emotions and form real concrete connections.

Sorry to ramble, but I can't really imagine where we are truly headed in this world. Perhaps I will pass long before I am put to the test.

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If you love somebody.... Seth them free... to quote Sting... sort of
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Seth has long been a favorite of mine....

"When you trust the thrust of your life you are always supported". Seth

Blessings EveryONE!

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WhatdoIknow randomly generated his own Seth Quote:
'If you love someone . . Seth them free . . ."

Where is the smiley that is _rolling_it's_eyes_ LOL

( hi to WhatdoIknow )
- - mercury
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Zack,

thank you for taking the time to provide me with the information on fragmentation.

ironic that you should leave this for me, or maybe not ironic but just that I simply tapped into the message.

when i awoke this morning the voice was saying, "i call all parts of myself home to tan tien" also this "it is safe to be here together and you are all loved".

i met a man this summer who was probably the most defragmented person I have ever seen. the reason i knew he was all together is because I could actually see the strength of his energy field and also how expansive it was. the coulours were strong and vibrant. when i asked him about this he explained to me that he had gone all the way back through many lives and relived all the trauma and then made it safe for the aspects to all reunite.

amazing the power we are when we uncover the hidden parts and bring them home to tan tien.

you guys have an excellent adventure today and I will come back later to learn more seth!

rose
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 January 13
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"Intellectual truth alone will not make you free, though it is certainly a necessary preliminary. If this were the case your walls would fall away, since intellectually you understand their rather dubious nature. Since feeling is so often the cohesive with which mind builds, it is feeling itself which must be changed if you would find freedom from your particular plane of existence at your particular time."

[The Early Sessions, Book 1]
[Session 13, Page 72]
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conceptual knowledge does not cook the rice~tina 2006

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“…when i asked him about this he explained to me that he had gone all the way back through many lives and relived all the trauma and then made it safe for the aspects to all reunite.

amazing the power we are when we uncover the hidden parts and bring them home to tan tien.”

>>That’s interesting Freyja,…the thought that we may have fragments of our past lives buried within.

“Since feeling is so often the cohesive with which mind builds, it is feeling itself which must be changed if you would find freedom from your particular plane of existence at your particular time."

>>Changing feelings is not an easy thing to do,…people react based upon their past programming; without real-I-zation.


Z
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Intellectuality in Seth's usage is of the slice-and-dice/clock-time variety. It tends to come after-the-fact, so-to-speak and is generally consumed with the pattern/camouflage end of reality.

Conceptuality is at a deeper level, more abstract. There one has a more holistic grasp of a subject or structure.










Well, slow day in the thread. Maybe I should pull another quote......





GLP