))) Random SETH Ruminations (((

RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 January 13 [#2]
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"The experiment that would transform your world would operate upon the basic idea that you create your own reality according to the nature of your beliefs, and that all existence was blessed, and that evil did not exist in it. If these ideas were followed individually and collectively, then the evidence of your physical senses would find no contradiction. They would perceive the world and existence as good. This is the experiment that has not been tried, and these are the truths that you must learn after physical death."

[Seth Speaks]
[Session 546, Page 192 (original Prentice-Hall)]

The random Seth quote generated above could be taken as a response to scimitar's plea yesterday....



"When someone elses words touch or coincide with your inner most feelings there is a conjunction. You connect with the idea because it is in synchronicity with your own mind. In a way it helps you to realize who you are, or at least a part of who you are. It can show us the common energy of life that connects us all.

With all the division affecting us at this time throughout the world, but especially in the US, we need to reach out and cherish this commonality between us. We will need it desparately in the future.

I am no genius, but I know we must make these connections..... if we wait too long we will fail to be prepared for what is coming. It grows inside me more each day. Yes of course I am influenced by the negative things I read, but would I be a fool to ignore these things?

Possibly there is nothing to cement the bond between the people that know except the realization that a tragedy is upon us and in order to survive we must moderate our emotions and form real concrete connections."

Mark 11:22-24. "Have faith in God. For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, `Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them."

as long as you understand that 'God' in none other than the core of 'you'.

and that takes real faith!

I am using an internet site program to generate these random Seth quotes. It did not take long to pull up what I conceive to be the crux of the matter here for all of us converging on this board, and was hinted at in the Hero's Journey thread initiated by Freyja. The last quote above is our creative challenge. I think this proposition is one worth lingering upon for awhile. It points to something that I myself fell into some six years ago, in large part initiated by these Seth readings (beginning with SETH SPEAKS).

To our creative challenge and a brave new world.

Asgardhr,

It is still a quandry to me why a couple posters on the hero thread became disturbed with the notion that life is *action* and that sitting around *thinking* creatively does not get it done.

Abraham Hicks promotes this in their teachings...something like this: you only need to think the thought and feel the desire and the Universe takes care of the rest.

Any comments please?

The key may lay in the expression 'feel the desire', depending on what is really meant by that. Feel it in your blood, your bones, your fingers, your toes? If so, then perhaps that is a translation into physicality of the intent.

At any rate, I was too hard-headed and undisciplined in that thread, and that probably didn't help much.

RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 January 14
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"I communicate with your dimension, for example, not by willing myself to your level of reality, but by imagining myself there. All of my deaths would have been adventures had I realized what I know now. On the one hand you take life too seriously, and on the other, you do not take playful existence seriously enough."

[Seth Speaks]
[Session 518, Page 32]

when messengers are slain due to judgements of the delivery, which often stem from feelings of self importance the message is dismissed in lieu of the indulgence of an emotional response that makes one feel what they can not feel on their own accord.

it has been my experience that when one is centered in self knowledge the delivery does not affect the message unless the message is bullshit.


& in this instance the message was not bullshit!

See if you can provide some insight. From what I have been reading Seth is also about Law of Attraction. ...all your thoughts draw to you an equal measure of experience. This Law of attraction that thoughts create reality is not entirely true is it? Look what happens when one focuses on peace....you create the polarity in that thought process. It seems that thinking or expressing a desire for one thing automatically manifests the opposite. Seem to me that preferencelessness is more about ultimate truth then thought management thru choices of one thing or another....whatchu think?



A standstill means that a process has become balanced. The appearance of any one quality immediately evokes the appearance of another quality opposed to it. The growth of knowledge in one domain evokes the growth of ignorance in another; refinement on the one hand evokes vulgarity on the other; freedom in one connection evokes slavery in another; the disappearance of some superstitions evokes the appearance and growth of others; and so on.

I don't think anyone on the hero thread meant to convey the notion of sitting around like a lump never doing anything. I think the point was that the process of creation has a starting thinking component.

Thought if pursued to a certain level of detail (which will vary for every person) will lead to belief. Belief repeated enough and given a method of expression (alchemy of a sort) will lead to knowing. Knowing long enough will lead to fact. Once something is considered fact, it *will* occur. These early stages don't have to involve actively *doing*, instead they can involve experiencing in order to get the feedback as to where you are in belief/fact creation. The people in the hero thread were giving you their recipe for creating.

Now, there are expressions of creativity that one can do personally like drawing, singing, painting, but it is also creative to express yourself in say...modifying social structures or creating a new book to read. Eventually you will recieve an impulse to *act*. Sure enough...that book will be found, or your local govt will begin to change and you have a slot you fit into which fits with your ideals. These are creations as surely as a painting. But there do not appear to be concretely created by you. You just have to *know* it came from you. Ergo, they *appear* passive. Yet the main character is still doing. He/she is alive and will always be recieving impulses from source to *do*.

I recall planning a vacation years back. I hadn't studied a map yet since the trip was a month away, but we were plannning to go camping in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan. In a dream I was back in my lab and a graduate student had made a new genetics solution called a petoskey solution. When I woke, I was compelled to write it down. It was such a strange word...why would I create such an odd gibberish word? Out of curiosity, I googled it. It was "real"! And it was the name of a town only 40 miles or so away from our route to the UP. There was no way I could have given myself this knowledge from studying a map since I'd never looked at one until I ran the search.

So, we decided to alter our trip to stay in petoskey michigan for a while since this appeared important to my source for me to do so...important enough to give me the dream. While there, we discovered that there are stones which wash ashore along that part of the lake michigan coast...called...petosky stones. They are remnants of 150 million year old coral. We began searching for these stones, freezing our asses off in the cold water, trying to discern which mottled rock was a petosky stone since they weren't sanded and smooth yet by jewelers. I've never had so much fun in my life. It was sheer bliss to see these magnificent, yet plain stones. Their story was so strong in me.

Now...one can say I didn't create anything, but I do believe I did. What an adventure I had! And I surely did *do* something.

So...I think *that* was the point trying to be explained in the hero thread. There are *many* ways to create.

Freya, your last two posts have left me in the dust. I'm afraid I can't make heads nor tails of it. Sorry. What's the neener emoticon for? Are you making fun of someone?

9034,

From what you wrote above it is certainly very clear how important the *dreaming* part of creation is. Sometimes I find that I literally pick the thoughts out of the ether and other times it feels, like as in your vacation destination,that the creative process wells up from a deep source within. Which now has me wondering if there are two distinct sources for creative inpsiration

the neener is for asgardhr, for no other reason than *because* I just felt like it!



The second post is a result of finding my self in a place of no preferences...just observing the game and playing in the field of infinite possibilities from a place of organic joy. 9034 I find that a lot of the teachings like science of the mind and other processes that teach one how to mange their thoughts are undeniable in their contribution to helping one discover how thoughts create one type of reality.

I am musing about life beyond choices(and even beliefs) that stem from personal preferences based on what feels good in any given moment to a place of feeling good no matter what is happening...have had glimpses of isness and feel it is IMHO ultimate peace.




edited:

When in "isness", I am no longer at the affect of my expectations. I am not saying I have no preferences as to the outcome of events. I simply have no expectations that my preferences will actually occur. I enter every new experience in the spirit of free-flow. I jump in and allow the flow to take me. I am in the "isness".

Ah...now I get it. You and asgardhr do seem to communicate on a different wavelength than I can understand easily. :)

I'm not sure how to describe the source(s) of inspiration. I have *my* version of "how it works", just as there were recipes for creation that were presented on the hero thread. For me though...each person is going to have their own recipe or source of inspiration. In my experiences so far, the source is the same, whether it comes to me as a dream, from the pendulum, or whether it's an insight during reflection/study. I see the process as different, but the source as the same. It's just a working theory though.

Since every person has their own genetic mix and own experiences in life, it's not likely that any of us will have a recipe for inspiration and creation that's like anyone elses. When you get down to details, I'll bet we all will disagree as to "how it works". But I'll also bet that each of us can tell the others about life experiences that utterly confirm our beliefs/facts. (it *has* to be that way since belief/fact *creates* reality) I've also concluded recently that since the source of us all is One expressing itself as many, that it just makes sense that we'd all differ in beliefs/facts and therefore be different in our creation proces.

Is finding out our own unique creative process, then living it the hero's journey? It is seeming that way to me. Living it may be experiencing adventures (as my creations seem to be at the moment), or it may be receivng inspiration to paint. It's also likely that a person's beliefs will change, therefore the facts that build their life will change. When it does, then they may become a completely different person than they were before. One day I may move from adventuring to writing or drawing.

What I'm concluding about the others (and myself) is that many of the people on ths forum not only already know this, but they're interested in consciously changing their beliefs/facts and creating their world with deliberate intention.

To that end, my latest questions I'm mulling over involve:

Just how much say so does the brain have?

Are the brain's thoughts just a reflection of it's source? Ergo the brain's desire to change reflects that the change is already occuring?

When you read a book that gives the brain new ideas, did the book create the new ideas, or did it reflect the new ones you already have and just gave the ideas an outlet for expression?

When we create and change our beliefs to create something new, are we simply changing our perception of the world or are we literally creating a new world? Seth says the world and us are created new in every instant. We're blinking in and out of existance faster than our senses can register. Thus, there's the implication that a completely different world can be brought into existance instantaneously. But then I see mention in the books that we're all wearing mental filters. The entirety of all the universes is already there, but you change your filters as to what you see/experience.

Anyway...enough for one post. Once again...these are all my opinions and my questions. They're not right or wrong. They're a work in progress and supported by the genetics, beliefs and life experiences that I've had so far.

"as long as you understand that 'God' in none other than the core of 'you'."

Yes, I certainly do, and also believe it is what the passage means.

Freyja, you said:

"This Law of attraction that thoughts create reality is not entirely true is it? Look what happens when one focuses on peace....you create the polarity in that thought process. It seems that thinking or expressing a desire for one thing automatically manifests the opposite. Seem to me that preferencelessness is more about ultimate truth then thought management thru choices of one thing or another....whatchu think?"

I don't know if I quite understand where you were headed in the paragraph after this quote, but if I've interpreted it correctly then this Seth quote I literally *just* bumped into may have bearing on your idea. Pardon the typos...I cut and paste from the mailing list.

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"When the intellect is used properly, it thinks of a goal and automatically
sets the body in motion toward it, (YCYOR?) and automatically arouses the other
levels of communication unknown to it, so that all forces work together toward
the achievement. Consider a hypothetical goal as a target. When properly used,
gthe intellect imagines the target and imaginatively then attains it. (Maybe
belief that we have to go along with status quo!-Ex!) If it were a physical
target and imaginagtively then attains it. If it were a physical target, the
person would stand bow and arrow in hand, thinking only of hitting the
bull's-eye, mentally concentrating upon it, making perhaps some learbned
gestures--proper footing or whatever--and the body's magical properties would do
the rest."

"When the intellect is improperly used, however, it is as if the intellect
feels required to somehow know or personally direct all of those inner
processes. When the erroneous belief systems and negativity connected with
so-called rational reason apply, then it is as if our person sees the target,
but instead of directing his attention to it he concentrates upon all of the
different ways that his arrow could go wrong: It could fall to the left or the
right, go too far or not far enough, break in the air, fall from his hand, or
inmultitudinous other wahys betray his intent."

"He or she has switched his attention from the target, of course, completely.
He has projected upon the present event the picture of his fears, rather than
the picture of his original intent. His body, responding to his mental images
(no clear conscious mind) and his thought, brings out actions that mirror his
confusion."

"I will continue describing the ways in which the two approaches work
together. The main point I want to make is, however, the fact that your private
source of power is a portion of that greater field of interrelatedness, IN WHICH
YOUR BEING is securely couched. It is not something you have to strain after.
It was effortlessly yours at birth, and before, and it carries with it its own
emotional and intuitive comprehensions--comprehensions that can indeed support
you throughout all of your physical existence. If you understand that, then in
a large manner many of your fears will jointly vanish."

Argh! I posted too quickly. The quote from Seth I just posted is from The Magical Approach. The text in parenthesis appear to have been the emailer's own thoughts about something. Gack...shudda edited it first.

9034,

When I try to express what it is.... I feel that I am being contradictory.

On one hand I see that life on this plane is all about physical creation....and then on my other hand I feel it is all about simply *being*.

Which is really what you were saying on the Hero Thread, and here too.

Most likely it is exactly like your last post...keeping your eye on the target with no preference for any outcomes or concerns about variations.

Beats me...I am really just putting it all out as the thoughts come....and they seem to morph from one moment to the next into new thought forms.

Have you ever read Ramtha?

9034

Polarities are a very useful way of creating action in a game, but at the same time one of the key mechanisms of aberration.

A basic way of generating a game is to separate one's beingness and intention from some desirable outcome. That is, one starts from a state of being whole and complete in oneself. From that wholeness one separates out some condition, quality, or object, and decides that one doesn't have control over it, but that it is desirable. As the other side of the polarity one mocks oneself up as somebody who would want that other outcome, but who has to work for it. The resulting interaction will form a game.

So, if you split Be from Have, you create a Doingness, the stuff the Beingness has to go through to get the Havingness. This is most fun if there is optimum randomity, that is, the Beingness is presented with obstacles but will eventually get his Havingness.

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HA how is this for some mental masturbation! the rest of the article is fantastic but too long to post here...asgardhr is going to come back and see what I have done to his thread and kick my I wll post the link though after I go fetch it.


GOT IT: [link to freezoneamerica.org]

scroll down to desirable polarities...it really explains what I can not convey but was trying in my own clumsy way! Also helped me to figure out why I was feeling CONTRADICTORY!

"Look what happens when one focuses on peace....you create the polarity in that thought process. It seems that thinking or expressing a desire for one thing automatically manifests the opposite."

That's because you feel the opposite [discord] and are wishing for what you feel you don't have - peace. And so, you end up reinforcing your current position. We have to focus differently and deeper than that. It ain't easy. We get distracted very easily and frequently. In reality we seldom hold any new focus very well or for very long. Art can help!

"Have you ever read Ramtha?"

sorry Asgardhr...i won't mention that name again!

I just read the following [this is not from the Seth quote generator]...


"One of the basic purposes of existence on your plane is to enable the personality to focus powerfully and to form basic vitality into creative pattern."

[THE EARLY SESSIONS: Book One]
[Page 267, Session 34]

"sorry Asgardhr...i won't mention that name again!"

Don't be sorry. Sure you can. It would be a creative challenge to sort the wheat from the chaff out of that old buzzard!

'Magic'... Our Charmed Selves

Each life is charmed yours, and everyone else's, and you must never forget it. The instant you're born, you're charmed, because life itself is a charm. Each being is charmed into existence in whatever reality it finds itself, and given everything it needs to operate in the environment.

Your body is charmed, too: It's a magic part of everything else; springing up from all the things you see about you. Atoms and molecules go singing through the miraculous air, forming themselves into rocks and trees and dogs and cats and people, too. You 'are' magic. You charm the air so that it thickens into your body wherever you are. When you want to move, you think the air ahead of you into becoming your body, and the air behind you then stops being your body. . .all very magical indeed. You move your arm just one inch to the right, and the air to the left stops being part of your arm. But it happens so quickly, your snatching of the air and making it turn into your body, that you never notice it at all, and take it quite for granted. Which is why it works so well, you see.

But your life is charmed. And there is a secret, a very simple
one. Really, it's not a secret. But you have to remember that your
life is charmed. People who forget can't use their magic nearly as well as they did before, and they have a tendency to get angry at those who can. So, often, they pretend that no magic exists at all. Then they evolve great philosophies to prove it, which is itself magical, of course. But they can't see that, because they're so convinced that magic doesn't exist. And many people forget how simple and natural magic is, so they evolve long theories, and methods* that are supposed to make it work, when you and I now, and everyone else 'really' knows, that magic happens by itself, because that's what magic is.

But people are also very creative . . . magic again! . . . so they make up gods of this and that, and realms and spheres, and maps to chart out in advance where magic might be taking them so they don't get surprised, which is silly because magic goes where it wants to, which is everywhere. And when you try to map it out in advance, you really cut yourself short. Because a characteristic of magic is that it automatically turns into whatever you want it to be. You create your own reality with it, so whatever maps you make are real. And if you forget what magic is, then you're liable to think that your map is the only real one, and all the others are false. You get in a terrible bind, fighting over which way is right, which road or map, while all the time magic is what makes the maps. And a great variety of maps can appear in the twinkling of an eye!

Particularly when you grow up, many people will tell you that there is no magic. If you believe them, then you'll forget too, and you'll act as if you aren't charmed and bring un-magic into your life . . . which is magic too, you see, but magic that doesn't know itself. Then you'll create things that go with un-magic, like sorrow or sickness, and you'll have to deal with them at that level until you remember that your life is charmed again.
So in the meantime you'll feel nasty and unloved and angry, way
beyond what is natural, and have to worry about sad or fearful emotions and what to do with them, when magically, you'd know: They'd just come and go exuberantly like summer storms. But anger and hate and sorrow are all magic too, and left alone, they'd lead you back to the knowledge that you life is charmed. Because hate is love looking for itself everyplace but where love is; and love is what you feel for yourself when you know that you are where
you're supposed to be in the universe, and that you're lovely just
because you are, and, of course, charmed.

Not only that, but you're also the magic maker; the inner living
part of you that forms your life. But consciously you have to know
this, accept and acknowledge it, and let the magic of yourself happen. That way, you're directing the magic of yourself. But it's even more fun just to let the magic happen as it wants to, because it's your magic, and that way it keeps telling you more and more
about your magical self. Then the magic flows through you with
unimpeded delight. If you keep saying, "I want it this way and no
other," then you may limiting your physical experience, because there's no doubt that your inner magical self knows more about your potentials than you do. And it will tell you quite clearly, if you only listen. To many adults, all this sounds too simple and un-intellectual, because unfortunately many of them think that the mind is just something to say "no" with, and to keep out magic. Nothing could be further from the truth. But if you use your mind to say no to magic, then it's like closing doors to our own charmed existence, and refusing to use the full power of your life.

Everyone works with magic, whether they realize it or not. Beliefs
are magic, too, you see. Many people think that one particular belief makes everything right; or makes magic happen. And as long as they believe that, they're all right for a while. But if they start doubting that belief, and don't find another one to replace it, then they think that they've lost their magic, or that life has. Instead, of course, the magic is there all along.

But people love systems, so they use all kinds of beliefs . . some
of them quite handy . . . as aids. And they travel through belief systems, sometimes going to considerable trouble to do so, when all they really have to remember is that they are magic themselves, and their lives are charmed without their having to do anything about it at all.

And your conscious mind is magic, too. Its workings are mysterious and complicated, and simple and clear at once, like air is. Your conscious mind looks out through your eyes, and knows parcels of air as its body, and smiles through cheeks and skin the same way the the moon shines through the wide skins of the heavens. See how clear and mysterious it all is? So, in a way, it's silly for the conscious mind to question magic, because--well, it's so magical itself.

But systems of magic are silly, too, and all of them are really based upon doubt. Magic is considered so tenuous that someone has to be at it all the time, making spells or paying someone else to do it. And the spells have to be done just right, so people concentrate on how to do this spell or another. This gets very complicated, and many adult books deal with the subject.

But everything is a spell. Your words and thoughts are spells.
Science is just another system that tries to discover what certain
spells cause certain effects. Usually, of course, scientists don't
understand magic any more than priests do; and they all get caught up in their own complicated methods.

There isn't much basic difference between muttering a-lot of phrases or drawing magic circles to protect yourself against illness, and taking a handful of pills given to you by doctors. Both methods work if you believe in them, though the practitioners of one method will never agree that the other way works at all, of course. And unfortunately, neither side 'really' understands magic, which is behind all of the spells and methods and formulas.

Spells work if you believe in them; only you don't need spells at
all. Everything happens by itself. You happen by yourself, so does the world. And the principle behind it all is magic. And magic is the being-Ness within and behind all things.
...Jane Roberts, 'The Further Education Of Oversoul Seven'.
(thanks ever S&J)

w/luv,
just me
(unimpeded delight en-motion, lol)

* Methods...

The whole thing about techniques is the idea that you need
certain methods to make things 'work' for you, when all you
have to do is let things alone: Then they "work" for you
automatically. If you forget that fact, then you will always be
looking for better and better methods. . .which will never
really work. . .because Nature and your own nature work best
when left alone.

If you're going to study such issues at all, then look for what
you do right, and you'll always find that in those areas you let
yourself alone and do what comes naturally, because you are
inclined in that direction.

When you concentrate on what's wrong, you almost always
try to hard, looking for methods that will work better than
the ones you are using now. . .when the truth is that the
methods themselves stand in the way, whatever they are.
Because Nature doesn't use methods. It "works" because it is
what it is.

Methods presuppose the opposite, in whatever area of your
concern. They show your belief that nature doesn't work
right on it's own.
... Jane Roberts, 'The Further Education Of Oversoul Seven'.
(and again, thanks ever S&J)

Gooder...that sure does make it all charmingly simple.

Thank you so much for that article it made me see how many ways I keep making it hard!

Thanks for the link Freyja. Was that quote above Ramtha? I don't know who that is, but it was interesting. Nevertheless, despite Seth being a bit pedantic and verbose, I find him easier to understand. Hahahaha! :) Though, I will peruse the link much closer tomorrow when I'm "fresh". Right now I'm tired and verbally clumsy.

Seth's charmed dialog really is wonderful. I like how he explains that everything is magic...even unmagic. To me the methods Seth mentions are simply stories we create...our own purposeful, mystical journeys. They aren't necessary, but ah...what drama, what adventure!

I saw a TV show last night on discovery channel. It was about the race to translate the rosetta stone. The French and the English were dueling head to head. The Frenchman had an innate knack for linguistics. He didn't have the money for travel or to get noticed by the "right people", but his instinctive talent was superb. What a drama unfolded as he struggled to understand the heiroglyphs...to learn coptic. How amazing to discover that the ancient symbols were not only the carrier of language, but also of mythological concepts that weren't spoken. The pictures of his face as he discovered that he was in a ruin older than the bible dated the world showed he was stupified with joy and awe. He was utterly caught up in the mystery of questions and answers that literally blew his mind.

To me, that kind of passion is what living is all about. It can come from science, exploration, arts, music, writing...*anything*. The methods that we each use to get there just reflect our beliefs or things we hold as facts in our minds. These limitations aren't bad or wrong, unless they hold us back from living our passion/story.

Ah well...I'm a bit tired now...I've just realized that I don't have the mental faculties to write much further on this right now. So, I'm going to call it a night. It's been a busy day.

See you all tomorrow.

Great to see so much interest in the Seth Material.
I didn't notice - did anyone mention this stuff is from the sixties?
asgardhr - I've read it all too. btw - Ramtha isn't 'there' anymore.

A similar take on things to Seths comes out of Texas - Abraham. Anyone familiar?
If you like the Seth Material - I think you'd like this too.

[link to www.abraham-hicks.com]

I find that after so long, and after so much, the Seth Material still holds up.
It's rare that any of the folks making a living off the New Wage actually give you tools to use the way Seth does.

Nice to see y'all here.

I didn't notice Sue Watkins mentioned either. Thats the name, right? She carried on awhile with Seth.

Thanks for this wonderful Seth thread.
I began my journey with Seth in 1973, and it's nice to come home again.

"I didn't notice Sue Watkins mentioned either. Thats the name, right? She carried on awhile with Seth."

I did mention her as the author of CONVERSATIONS WITH SETH, one of my favorite Seth books [2 volumes actually]. She was apparently close to Jane.



"Thanks for this wonderful Seth thread.
I began my journey with Seth in 1973, and it's nice to come home again."


It's still 1973!