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))) Random SETH Ruminations (((

 
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 January 15
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"What exists physically exists first in thought and feeling. There is no other rule. You have the conscious mind for good reason. You are not at the mercy of unconscious drives unless you consciously acquiesce to them. Your present feelings and expectations can always be used to check your progress. If you do not like your experience, then you must change the nature of your conscious thoughts and expectations. You must alter the kind of messages that you are sending through your thoughts to your own body, to friends and associates."

[The Nature of Personal Reality]
[Session 609, Page xvii]
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I am finishing up book one of THE EARLY SESSIONS. He is laying down the foundation of the entire body of Seth Material here with the extensive ellucidation of the 'inner senses'. We caught teasers of this material in the later books and one chapter on it in the book titled 'The Seth Material' (in very condensed form). I'd really wanted more on this when I read the other books. Now I'm finding it!
This could have been edited into a massive [several volume] book called THE UNIVERSE AS IDEA CONSTRUCTION.



[Here is the teaser that made its way into THE SETH MATERIAL]

The Inner Senses—What They Are and How to Use Them
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In a recent class session, Seth said: “If you would momentarily put aside the selves you take for granted, you could experience your own multidimensional reality. These are not just fine words that mean nothing. I do not harp to you about theory simply because I want to spout theory, but because I want you to put these ideas into practice.”

“Precisely what steps do you want us to follow?” one of the students asked.

“First, you must try to understand the nature of reality. To some small extent I have begun to explain this in the Seth Material. The five hundred and some odd sessions we have barely represent an outline, but they are enough to start with. The ideas, in themselves, will make you think. I have told you that there are Inner Senses as well as physical ones. These will enable you to perceive reality as it exists independently of the physical world. You must learn to recognize, develop and use these Inner Senses. The methods are given in the material. But you cannot utilize the material until you understand it.

“The material itself is—if you’ll forgive the term—cleverly executed, so that as you grapple to understand it, you are already beginning to use abilities beyond those that you take for granted.

“You must, first of all, cease identifying yourself completely with your ego, and realize that you can perceive more than your ego perceives. You must demand more of yourself than you ever have before. The material is not for those who would deceive themselves with pretty, packaged, ribboned truths that are parceled out and cut apart so that you can digest them. That sort of material serves a need, but our material demands that you intellectually and intuitively expand.”

One student had a guest with her, Mary, who wrinkled up her forehead when Seth finished speaking. “But if we ‘momentarily put aside’ the ego,” she said to me, “won’t we be unconscious?”

I didn’t have a chance to answer. Seth answered for me—his way, “You are an identity,” he said. “Pretend that you hold a flashlight, and the flashlight is consciousness. You can turn this light in many directions, but instead you are in the habit of directing it along one certain path, and you have forgotten that there are other paths.

“All you have to do is swing the flashlight in other directions. When you shift if, the path upon which you have been focusing will momentarily appear dark, but other realities and images will become available to you, and there is nothing to prevent you from swinging the flashlight back to the earlier position.”

Seth has used several analogies to explain this point. He said in another class session: “You have more than one conscious mind. We want you to change the channels of your awareness.... If you consider the conscious mind that you usually use as one door, then you stand at the threshold of this mind and look out into physical reality. But there are other doors...you have other conscious selves....

“You are not expected to become unconscious, then. There is no need to feel that when you block out the ordinary conscious mind, there is only blankness. It is true that when you close one conscious mind—door—there may be a moment of disorientation before you open another.

“It is also true that you may need to learn the methods by which you can perceive other realities, simply because you are not used to manipulating these other conscious portions of yourself. But these portions are as critical—and even as intellectual—as valid and as real as the consciousness with which you are ordinarily familiar.”

Seth insists that there is only one way to learn what consciousness is: by studying and exploring our own awareness, by changing the focus of our attention and using our own consciousness in as many ways as possible. He says: “When you look into yourself, the very effort involved extends the limitations of your consciousness, expands it, and allows the egotistical self to use abilities that it often does not realize it possesses.”

The Inner Senses are not important because they release clairvoyant or telepathic abilities, but because they reveal to us our own independence from physical matter, and let us recognize our unique, individual multidimensional identity. Properly utilized, they also show us the miracle of physical existence and our place in it. We can live a wiser, more productive, happier physical life because we begin to understand why we are here, individually and as a people.

The Inner Senses help us use telepathic abilities, for example. This doesn’t mean that we will always be able to “read minds.” It means that in family, business, or social contacts, we will be intuitively aware of what the other person is saying to us: we will know what is beneath the words. We will also use words better ourselves to communicate our inner feelings since we will know what those feelings are. We will not be afraid of them or feel the need to cover them up.

At times, we can “read minds”—though that is a popular term, leaving much to be desired. But to use the Inner Senses properly, they must be used smoothly, often blending one into the other. It is often difficult to know whether we are receiving clairvoyant or telepathic information, for example. Not that it matters. Using the Inner Senses, we simply increase our entire range of perceptions.

As I write this, I am picking up all sorts of information about my environment, but I am hardly aware of doing so. Certainly I don’t consciously separate visual and auditory data unless I stop to think of it, though I know I receive the information through different senses. All of the physical senses operate at once to give us our picture of reality. We use the Inner Senses the same way, constantly, far beneath usual conscious notice. In order to explain them, we must describe them separately, though their effects are felt together.

Seth began to list and explain them early in our sessions, starting in February 1964, and we are still learning to use them. I will list them as he did, and give a few excerpts from his descriptions.
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INNER VIBRATIONAL TOUCH

“Think of the Inner Senses as paths leading to an inner reality. The first sense involves perception of a direct nature—instant cognition through what I can only describe as inner vibrational touch. Imagine a man standing on a typical street of houses and grass and trees. This sense would permit him to feel the basic sensations felt by each of the trees about him. His consciousness would expand to contain the experience of what it is to be a tree—any or all of the trees. He would feel the experience of being anything he chose within his field of notice: people, insects, blades of grass. He would not lose consciousness of who he was, but would perceive these sensations somewhat in the same way that you now feel heat and cold.”

This sense is much like empathy, but far more vital. (Seth says that we can’t experience these Inner Senses in their full intensity now, because our nervous systems can’t handle that much stimuli.) It’s difficult to categorize experiences of this kind, but I think that I was using inner vibrational touch in the following instance:

One night while Bill and Peg Gallagher were visiting us, a neighbor also came to call. Polly was a rather emotional young woman, and she asked me if I could “pick up” any impressions about her. I refused, saying that I was tired. Actually I felt that she was “highly charged,” unpleasantly so, and I didn’t want to get involved. Apparently my curiosity got the best of me. I switched to my Inner Senses to find out what was wrong—but without realizing that I was doing so. (In the use of the Inner Senses, like anything else, we have to learn discrimination and discretion.)

Almost instantly I saw the young woman back in 1950, as a teen-ager. She was in a hospital bed, having labor pains. I felt them, in my living room. The experience was exceptionally vivid, and the pain quite real. I saw an older woman and a young man in the hospital room and was able to describe them. Polly identified the people as a former husband and his mother, but denied having the child, though she said that a girl friend delivered an illegitimate daughter that same year.

At first the pain frightened me so that I just blurted out what was happening; I didn’t mean to embarrass Polly. Later I felt foolish and angry at myself, wondering if the pain episode was some kind of subconscious dramatization.. Two years later Polly left town. Before she went, she called to tell me that the episode was quite legitimate. The child had been her own, and my description of the room tallied with her hospital room. Naturally, she didn’t want anyone to know about the child, who had been put up for adoption (and it was none of my business anyway). She had been brooding about the birth the night she visited us, because she had just heard from the baby’s father for the first time in years. Probably this is why I “tuned in” to the episode. In this case I used inner vibrational touch to become aware of her feelings.

Generally, though, this first Inner Senses can be extremely valuable, leading to expansion of experience, greater understanding, and compassion. Using it, with practice, you can feel the living emotional element of any living thing, rejoicing in its vitality. It does not diminish individuality, and it does not imply psychic invasion. We are not to be psychic Peeping Toms, but should use these abilities only to help others or, joyfully, as we use muscles and bones. The intent is important, but I don’t believe that you can use these senses wrongfully in any basic way; if you aren’t ready to utilize them properly, your own personality will see to it that you don’t use them consciously at all.





PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME

“Psychological Time is a natural pathway that was meant to give an easy route of access from the inner world to the outer, and back again, though you do not use it as such. Psychological Time originally enabled man to live in the inner and outer worlds with relative ease.... As you develop in your use of it, you will be able to rest within its framework while you are consciously awake. It adds duration to your normal time. From its framework you will see that physical time is as dreamlike as you once thought inner time was. You will discover your whole selves, peeping inward and outward simultaneously, and know that all divisions are illusion.”

Actually, in practice, Psychological Time leads to development of the other Inner Senses. In Psy-Time, as we call it, you simply turn your focus of attention inward. Sit or lie quietly alone and close your eyes. Pretend that there is a world within as vivid and real as the physical one. Turn off your physical senses. If you want, imagine that they have dials and you flip them off, one by one. Then imagine that the Inner Senses have another set of dials. Imaginatively, turn them on. This is one method of beginning.

You may, instead, just lie quietly and concentrate on a dark screen until images or lights appear on it. Do not concentrate on worries or daily trivia that may arise as soon as you block out physical distractions. If such thoughts do come to the foreground of attention, then you are not ready to proceed. First you must get rid of them.

Since we can’t concentrate fully on two things at once, you may focus your attention on the screen again or on any imaginary image—this will banish the annoying worries. Or you may pretend that the worries themselves have images and then “see” these vanishing away.

At a certain point you will feel alert and conscious but very light. Within your mind you may see bright lights. You may hear sounds or voices. Some may be telepathic or clairvoyant messages. Some may simply be subconscious pictures. As you practice, you will learn to tell one from the other.

Gradually as you progress, you will feel apart from time as we know it during the exercise. You may have various kinds of subjective experiences, from extrasensory episodes to simple periods of inspiration and direction. I sometimes have out-of-body travels, for instance, during Psy-Time. This sense leads to refreshment, relaxation, and peace. It can be used in many ways, for different purposes. Most of my students now utilize this sense quite well, and use it as a preliminary to other experiences.





PERCEPTION OF PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE

”I you will remember our imaginary man as he stands upon a street, you will recall that I spoke of his feeling all of the unitary essences of each living thing within his range, using the first Inner Sense. Using this third sense, this experience would be expanded. If he so chose, he would also feel the past and future essence of each living thing within his range.”

Remember, according to Seth these Inner Senses are used by the whole self constantly. Since past, present and future have no basic reality, this sense allows us to see through the apparent time barriers. We are seeing things as they really are. Any precognitive experience would entail use of this Inner Sense. It is often used spontaneously when Psy-Time is practiced.
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THE CONCEPTUAL SENSE

“The fourth Inner Sense involves direct cognition of a concept in much more than intellectual terms. It involves experiencing a concept completely. Concepts have what we will call electrical and chemical composition [as thoughts do]. The molecules and ions of the consciousness change into [those of] the concept, which is then directly experienced. You cannot truly understand or appreciate any living thing unless you can become that thing.

“You can best achieve some approximation of an idea by using Psychological Time [as a preliminary]. Sit in a quiet room. When an idea comes to you, do not play with it intellectually, but reach out to it intuitively. Do not be afraid of unfamiliar physical sensations. With practice and to a limited degree, you will find that you can ‘become’ the idea. You will be inside it, looking out—not looking in.

“Concepts such as I am referring to reach beyond your ideas of time and space. If you become proficient in the use of the third Inner Sense [perception of past, present, and future] when cognition is more or less spontaneous, then you can utilize the conceptual sense with more freedom. Any true concept has its origins outside of your camouflage system and continues beyond it. Unless you use the Inner Senses in this manner, you will only receive a glimmering of a concept, regardless of its simplicity.”

I was using this sense, I believe, in the episode described in Chapter 17, experiencing a concept that could not be expressed adequately in words, when everything in the room seemed to grow to tremendous size.




COGNITION OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ESSENCE

“Remember that these Inner Senses operate as a whole, working together smoothly, and that to some degree the divisions between them are arbitrary on my part. This fifth sense differs from the fourth [conceptual sense] in that it does not involve cognition of a concept. It is similar to the fourth sense in that it is free from past, present, and future, and involves an intimate becoming, or transformation of self into something else.

“This is difficult to explain. You attempt to understand a friend by using your physical senses. Use of this fifth sense would enable you to enter into your friend. In its fullest sense, it is not available to you within your system. It does not imply that one entity can control another. It involves direct instantaneous cognition of the essence of living ‘tissue.’ I use the word ‘tissue’ with caution and ask you not to think of it necessarily in terms of flesh.

“All entities are in one way or another enclosed within themselves, yet also connected to others. Using this sense, you penetrate through the capsule that encloses the self. This Inner Sense, like all others, is being used constantly by the inner self, but very little of the data received is sifted through to the subconscious or ego. Without the use of this sense, however, no man would ever come close to understanding another.” This sense is a stronger version of inner vibrational touch.




INNATE KNOWLEDGE OF BASIC REALITY

“This is an extremely rudimentary sense. It is concerned with the entity’s innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the universe, without which no manipulations of vitality would be possible—as, for example, you could not stand up straight without first having an innate sense of balance.

“Without this sixth sense and its constant use by the inner self, you could not construct the physical camouflage universe. You can compare this sense with instinct, as you think of it, although it is concerned with the innate knowledge of the entire universe. Particular data about specific areas of reality are given to a living organism to make manipulation within that area possible. The inner self has at its command complete knowledge, but only portions are used by an organism. A spider, spinning its web, is using this sense in almost its purest form. The spider has no intellect or ego, and its activities are pure spontaneous uses of the Inner Senses, unhampered and uncamouflaged to a great extent. But inherent in the spider, as in man, is the complete comprehension of the universe as a whole.”

Seth always maintains that the answers to our questions about reality lie within us. They reveal themselves to us when we turn our attention away from physical data and look inward, this is when the sixth Inner Sense comes into play. It also shows itself in inspirations, and episodes of spontaneous “knowing”. Surely this sense suddenly came into operation during my experience with “cosmic consciousness” and was partially responsible for my “Idea Construction” manuscript. This sense gives rise to most experiences of a revelationary character.

The trouble is that we must somehow translate the data into terms that we can understand, explaining it verbally or with images—and distortions are bound to result. Some such experiences can’t be expressed physically, yet the individual concerned is convinced of their validity.



EXPANSION OR CONTRACTION OF THE TISSUE CAPSULE

“This sense operates in two ways. It can be an extension or enlargement of the self, a widening of its boundaries and of conscious comprehension. It can also be a pulling together of the self into an ever-smaller capsule that enables the self to enter other systems of reality. The tissue capsule surrounds each consciousness and is actually an energy field boundary, keeping the inner self’s energy from seeping away.

“No consciousness exists in any system without this capsule enclosing it. These capsules have also been called astral bodies. The seventh Inner Sense allows for an expansion or contraction of this tissue capsule.”

Rob and I have had some experience using this Inner Sense. So have several of my students. In Psy-Time this results in a peculiar “elephantiasis” feeling: I feel as if I am expanding and yet getting lighter and lighter in weight. The sensation can also arise just before an out-of-body experience. I have felt this in reverse in several sessions with the other personality, Seth Two.
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DISENTANGLEMENT FROM CAMOUFLAGE

“Complete disentanglement from camouflage rarely within our system, although it is possible to achieve it, particularly in connection with Psychological Time. When Psychological Time is utilized to its fullest extent, then camouflage is lessened to an astounding degree. With disentanglement, the inner self disengages itself from one particular camouflage before it either adopts another set smoothly or dispenses with camouflage entirely. This is accomplished through what you might call a changing of frequencies or vibrations: a transformation of vitality from one particular pattern or aspect to another. In some ways, your dream world gives you a closer experience with basic inner reality than does your waking world, where the Inner Senses are so shielded from your awareness.”

We’ve had very little conscious experience with this Inner Sense. Only in one small episode, mentioned earlier, when I felt bodiless and formless, like conscious air, have I ever approached using it.



DIFFUSION BY THE ENERGY PERSONALITY

“An energy personality who wishes to become a part of your system does so using this sense. The energy personality first diffuses himself into many parts. Since entry into your plane or system, as a member of it, cannot be made in any other manner, it must be made in the simplest terms, and later built up—sperm, of course, being an entry in this respect. The energy of the personality must then be recombined.”

What Seth is saying here is that the inner self uses this sense to initiate the birth of one of its personalities in physical life. It may also have a part to play in some mediumistic activities on the part of the surviving personality who wishes to communicate, and it may be used in out-of-body experiences that involve other than physical reality.

What is the point in learning to use the Inner Senses? Seth spoke about some of the benefits in the recorded session he gave for the college psychology class. He said, “You will not be swallowed by subjectivity. You will learn what reality is.... What is not understood is that self-investigation initiates states of consciousness with wh8ich you are usually not familiar. Now these can be used as investigative tools.

“In the sort of exploration of which I am speaking, the personality attempts to go within itself, to find its way through the veils of adopted characteristics to its own inner identity.... The inner core of the self has telepath and clairvoyant abilities that greatly affect family relationship—and your civilization. Now you are not using them effectively. These are precisely those abilities that are needed now. If there is to be any hope of world communication, then each of you must understand where your potentials are as individual subjective creatures.

“Books cannot tell you this. Even if you discover, through psychoanalysis, where your neuroses lie, you are in very shallow water. You are still exploring the topmost levels of your personality, and you do not have the benefit of those altered states of consciousness that occur when you look into yourself in the manner I have prescribed.

“There is a condition of consciousness that is more awake than any you have ever known—a condition in which you are aware of your own waking and dreaming selves simultaneously. You can become fully awake while the body sleeps. You can extend the present limitations of your awareness.”

What Seth is alluding to is that the practice of Psy-Time does stretch normal consciousness. All kinds of previously inhibited inspirations, hunches, and helpful extrasensory information now come into conscious awareness. When you do Psy-Time regularly, you become alert to data that comes through the Inner Senses. You react to the data and learn to handle a larger amount of stimuli than before.

This intuitional alertness carries over into daily life and into the sleeping state. Through instructions given by Seth I’ve learned to come fully awake while dreaming, as mentioned earlier. In this state you recognize your dreams as dreams and can manipulate them more or less at will. You can leave your body safely sleeping, for a projection of consciousness. All of this involves work, however—at least on my part. You must learn, through experience, to maintain the proper level of consciousness, and there is always the possibility of falling back to the usual dream state.

These levels of consciousness are only preliminaries to another state that I have reached but seldom. In this state your intellect, intuitions, and entire being operate at a level that is really supranormal. Your senses are almost unbelievably acute. This state can occur whether you are normally awake, “awake” in the sleep condition, or in a trance. But you feel as if you have lived your life in a dream and are now awake. Momentarily you are aware of your multidimensional reality. Once you have had this experience, you never forget it.

These achievements begin with the simple practice of Psy-Time. They begin when you turn your focus of attention away from physical reality for a few moments a day. Each person will experience the Inner Senses in a different way, since perception of my kind is highly individual. It is extremely difficult to use the other Inner Senses without first using Psy-Time, however. In fact some of my students “turned on” their other Inner Senses spontaneously when doing Psy-Time. Some have used Psy-Time to receive information concerning their past lives; in this case, they used many of the Inner Senses together to search out the data they wanted.

Taken together, the Inner Senses will give each individual a picture of reality as it exists independently of physical matter, an image of the inner identity that is his own. They will automatically increase concentration and release abilities that will give daily life additional meaning, vitality, and purpose.
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Hi,

I invite you to listen to Monty's show right now,

lots of things we all think about and discuss.

hf
In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine
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Well...I was endeavoring to pile in a bunch of Seth Material [above] a couple of days ago. Looks like I hit one of those new GLP landmines. Got my IP banned. The contact for GLP is Trinity. But Trinity appears to be AWOL. His mailbox is full. I am at a library right now. And I don't see myself doing this more than once! So, I guess this is sayonara time.

My best to all. I heartily recommend getting piles of the Seth materials and immersing yourself in them - serious study - each day. It will alter your dreams, both the evening ones and the consciousness of your day ones. There is, perhaps, no better way than this to make effective contact with our deeper selves, short of drugs [and there is serious liability there!].

Happy sailing!

hf
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I'm working on your ban issue...traveler is fixing it now i think
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"The material is not for those who would deceive themselves with pretty, packaged, ribboned truths that are parceled out and cut apart so that you can digest them. That sort of material serves a need, but our material demands that you intellectually and intuitively expand.”

... slurp and slurp, thanks ever Seth.
(and more please)

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the book(fire in the head) is EXCELLENT....i see so many things that correlate with the journey i have been walking.
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Nice thread. I like the Seth materials. I thought I would offer up a couple files for anyone who is looking. I have "Seth Speaks" as a PDF file and also a 2 part abridged audio book version of "Seth Speaks" as mp3s. I combined them into a single file rar archive that is 16.7MB and it will be alive on yousendit.com for about 7 days or a "limited" number of downloads for anyone who might be interested to grab it. (use winrar to extract the original files from the archive.)

You can copy/paste the URL or click the link
s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=291M7PCAQGLQK20DRVVULRSFMR
[link to s56.yousendit.com]

Random Seth Quote

"In certain terms hypnosis is simply an exercise in the alteration of beliefs, and only too clearly shows that sense experience follows expectations."

The Nature of Personal Reality
Session 653, Page 275

"In all such cases several qualities are apparent: an ability to look inward, to concentrate deeply, to lose the sharp edges of the physically oriented self in contemplation, and an intense desire to learn. These must be coupled with the inner confidence that pertinent knowledge can be directly received. To those who believe that all answers are known, there is little need to search."

Seth Speaks
Session 596, Page 396
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we are receivers! like big satellite dishes honing in to high or low frequency of thought based on how open or closed our minds are.

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how genius is born!
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Seth: The strange thing about your flying saucers is not that they appear, but that you can see them. As science advances on various planes the inhabitants learn to travel between planes occasionally, while carrying with them the [camouflage] manifestations of their home stations...

"I am quite sure--I know for a fact--that beings from other planes have appeared among you, sometimes on purpose and sometimes completely by accident. As in some cases humans have quite accidentally blundered through the apparent curtain between your present and your past, so have beings blundered into the apparent division between one plane and another. Usually when they have done so they were invisible on your plane, as the few of you who fell into the past, or the apparent past, were invisible to the people of the past.

"This sort of experience involves a sudden psychic awareness, straight from the entity, that all boundaries are for practical purposes only. However, there are indeed many kinds of science. There are a number of sciences dealing just with locomotion. Had the human species gone into certain mental disciplines as thoroughly as it has explored technological disciplines, its practical transportation system would be vastly different, and yet by this time even more practical than it is now. (With amusement:) I am making this point because I want it made plain--this, dear Joseph, is a pun--that when I speak of science on another plane I may not speak of the plain old science that you know.

"Now back to the point. When sciences progress on various planes, then visitations become less accidental and more planned. Once the inhabitants of a plane have learned mental--science pat--terms, then they are to a great degree freed from the more regular camouflage [physical] patterns. This applies to “higher” planes than mine, generally speaking, although mine is further along in these sciences than your own.

"[Many of] the flying saucer appearances come from [such] a plane, [one] that is much more advanced in technological sciences than earth at this time. However, this is still not a mental-science plane. Therefore the camouflage paraphernalia appears, more or less visible, to your own astonishment. Now, so strong is this tendency for vitality to change from one apparent form to another, that what you have here in your flying object is something that is actually, as you view it, not of your plane or of [whatever] plane of its origin... The atoms and molecules that structurally compose the UFO, and which are themselves formed by vitality, are more or less aligned according to the pattern of its own territory. Now as the craft enters your plane a distortion occurs. Its actual structure is caught in a dilemma of form... between transforming itself completely into earth's particular camouflage pattern, and retaining its original pattern. The earthly viewer attempts to correlate what he sees with what he supposedly knows or imagines possible in the universe.

"What he sees is something between a horse and a dog, that resembles neither. The flying saucer retains what it can of its original structure and changes what it must. This accounts for many of the conflicting reports as to shape, size, and color. The few times the craft shoots off at right angles, it has managed to retain functions ordinary to it in its particular habitat.

"I do not believe you will have any saucer landings for quite a while, not physical landings in the usual sense of the word. These vehicles cannot stay on your plane for any length of time at all. The pressures that push against the saucer itself are tremendous... The struggle to be one thing or another is very great on any plane. To conform to the laws of a particular plane is a practical necessity, and at this time the flying saucer craft simply cannot afford to stay betwixt and between for any indefinite period.

"What they do is take quick glimpses of your plane--and hold in mind that the saucer or cigar shape [often] seen on your planet is a bastard form having little relation to the structure as it is at home base.

"At a later date I may go into the inhabitants of [those planes] more thoroughly, but as it is I am not very much acquainted with them myself.

"There are so many things you do not understand that I hope to explain to you. There are other things you do not understand that I cannot explain to you, simply because they would be too alien now for your regular mode of thought...

"One note along these lines. A plane--and I am using your term; I will try to think of a better one--is not necessarily a planet. A plane may be one planet, but a plane may also exist where no planet is. One planet may have several planes. Planes may also involve various aspects of apparent time--this particular matter being too difficult to go into right now, although I will continue it later.

"Planes can and do intermix without the knowledge of the inhabitants of the particular planes involved. I want to get away from the idea of a plane being a place. It may be in some cases but is not always. A plane may be a time. A plane, believe it or not, may be only one iota of vitality that seems to exist by itself. A plane is something apparently divided from the rest of the universe for a time and for a reason. A plane may cease to be. A plane may spring up where there was none. A plane is formed for entities as patterns for fulfillment on various levels. A plane is a climate conducive to the development of unique and particular capacities and achievements. A plane is an isolation of elements where each one is given the most possible space in which to function.

"Planets have been used as planes and used again as other planes. A plane is not a cosmic location. It is oftentimes practical that entities or their various personalities visit one plane before another. This does not necessarily mean that one plane must be visited before another. A certain succession is merely more useful for the entity as a whole.

"In other terms, you could say that an entity visits all planes simultaneously, as it is possible for you to visit a certain state, county, and city at one time. You might also visit the states of sorrow and joy almost simultaneously, and experience both emotions in heightened form because of the almost immediate contrast between them.

"In fact, the analogy of a plane with an emotional state is much more valid than that between a plane and a geographical state--particularly since emotional states take up no room.
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Here's one from The Nature of Personal Reality:

Ideas represent your psychic intent. They generate emotion and imagination. These activate the interior patterns. They are the motive force of action, the means by which all interior events are exteriorized. They are energy formed and directed, formulations of interior and exterior patterns of reality. They are a part of the creative force from which all realities spring. ... Imagination and emotion are the most concentrated forms of energy that you possess as physical creatures. Any strong emotion carries within far more energy than, say, that required to send a rocket to the moon.

You are a sender and a receiver. Because ideas have an electromagnetic reality, beliefs, because of their intensity (see above) radiate strongly. Due to the organizing nature of your own psychological nature, similar beliefs congregate, and you will readily accept those with which you already agree...

Limiting ideas therefore predispose you to accept others of a similar nature. Exuberant ideas of freedom, spontaneity and joy automatically collect others of their kind also. There is a constant interplay between yourself and others in the exchange of ideas, both telepathically and on a conscious level.

This interchange follows, again, your conscious beliefs... You react only to those telepathic messages that fit in with your conscious ideas about yourself and your reality.

... the conscious mind is itself spontaneous. It enjoys playing with its own contents, so I am not here recommending a type of stern mental discipline in which you examine yourself at every moment.

Telepathic communication is constant. This is usually at an unconscious level merely because your conscious mind is in a state of becoming... As an example, if your conscious ideas are relatively positive you will react to telepathically received information of a similar nature, even if you do so on an unconscious level. ....A family... can constantly reinforce its joy, gaiety, and spontaneity by concentrating on ides of vitality, strength and creativity; or it can let half of its energy slip away by reinforcing resentments, angers and thoughts of doubt and failure.

You make your own reality.

You get what you concentrate upon. There is no other main rule.
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134...you can not get much clearer than that now can you!

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Freyja...
it's amazing how complicated we make process. I guess it's an artifact of our over-large, under-utilized brains that the more complex a process, the "better" it is, but Seth said it so simply and eloquently. It all boils down to what we are thinking about is what is happening, and all we need and want will manifest if we think about Love -- of ourselves, our planet, each other, all creation...
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Thank you so much 996! What a wonderful gift. luv

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Any strong emotion carries within it far more energy than is required to send a rocket to the moon. But instead of sending a rocket to the moon, your thoughts and emotions send your mental images combined with your inner sounds from your interior world, through the barrier between the nonphysical and physical, and into the material world. You are constantly sending your mental images propelled by the power of your emotions to birth in the physical world, which in turn are constantly birthing life events and experiences that are parented by your thoughts and feelings.
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ChipTooth-So, should we then be chucking any and everything that Seth has postulated? And then turn elsewhere instead....to Linda Goodman or someone or something else? Feel free to expand upon your claims.
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[I ran into this several days ago in the Early Sessions, and was delighted to the extent that I sat down, transcribed in, and then printed it on a card]




EXPECTATION

I will, then, begin with a short treatise concerning the importance of expectation, not only in the construction of physical objects from inner data, but also in the importance played by expectation in the actual sifting of inner data that is received, and in the importance of expectation in the interpretation of inner data after the sifting process has been carried about.

Expectation, perhaps more than any other quality, characterizes the individual, and represents the innermost aspects of his personality. It is the framework for his physical constructions, and more than atoms and molecules it represents the psychic building blocks from which his constructions will be erected.

We have already spoken of psychic constructions, and we have said that physical shapes are built upon inner psychic frameworks. Emotions then, in their own realm unperceived by the outer senses, have their own solidity, shape, and it is from these that your expectations are formed.

The emotions indeed do form the expectations, and it is not the other way around.

As physical objects can be manipulated, so can the emotions be manipulated, so can they be combined into various shapes and psychic constructions. A man's expectations are the result of his emotional heritage, and his own ability to understand and manipulate that heritage.

If he manipulates that heritage well, then his expectations will work for him. The emotions are to be used and enjoyed as psychic building blocks. There is no law, however, stating that a man cannot instead throw these blocks to the winds and hope that when they fall down they might possibly fall into a castle.

Again, expectations are not only vital in the formation of physical constructions, but they determine what inner data of all available, will be received by the individual; and then the individual interprets the data in terms of the same expectations.

The core of individuality, then, is the individual's expectations, for he will truly get what he wants, individually and collectively.

If a man wants to change his fate, desire is not enough, but expectation IS. Desire may grow into expectation, but alone it is not enough. Expectation is actually the main trigger that switches inner data into the realm of physical construction. Without it, no physical construction results.

This is extremely valuable information, particularly concerning the part played by expectation in the sifting of available data. Expectation is somewhat influenced also by past experiences, and yet not enough to be binding upon the present personality.

An expectation of danger will indeed create danger. An expectation of success will create success. This is put very simply and yet there is nothing, in practical terms, more valid, since expectation has behind it the motivating force of the personality, and utilizes on a subconscious level strong abilities and comprehensions.

Expectation is the force, then, that triggers psychic realities into physical construction.



SETH: The Early Sessions
[Book Two; Pages 275-276]
[Session 76; 3 August 1964]
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5a about time you showed up!

can i put this here:

THE MOVIE EVENT WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!



What the Bleep!? - Down the Rabbit Hole will be released by Samuel-Goldwyn in theaters in the United States this February. Containing NEW scientific information, never before seen footage, 1 hour and 30 minutes of NEW interviews, two NEW scientists, Dean Radin, Ph.D. and Dr. Masaru Emoto, interviews with author Lynne McTaggart, a NEW opening and three NEW animation sequences, this extended version will more than satisfy the most ardent BLEEP fans and blow away newcomers to this outrageous hybrid film about cutting edge physics, biology, consciousness and mysticism.


oops! looks like i just did flower
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Excellent post, asgardhr. Glad to see that you are unblocked. I've been blocked 4 times ever since the new and not-totally improved GLP v.3 went live. The autoblock is hypersensitive, and blocks for reasons not listed on the "you are blocked" page. However, the blocks last only 2-3 days, and it's good to extricate one's self from the total absorption that can be GLP and do something else once in a while.
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134-Yes, it was quite good to be away for awhile. I may have to get banned more often.

Frejya-Beyond the pizzazz of WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW!?™ I wonder just how useful that film and its proponents really are to the value fullfilment of the individual entity. Doctor Joe has been fired by-the-way, for not giving due credit [allegedly] in his discoursing on CREATE YOUR DAY(SM). Yes, please note that there is an SM now on the end of CREATE YOUR DAY, a Service Mark - like a TradeMark - declaring this technique owned and operated by JZKnight, Inc.
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I saw tristan and isolde this weekend.



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spock

very interesting development in the What the Bleep Saga.

I ran a google search for joe dispenza and terminated and found this on a forum.
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"I heard about this in late September or early October, and I didn't think it sounded negative at all. I was
told by someone who lives out near RSE that Joe's studies have taken him to explore neurological possibilites that were not taught to him by Ramtha, and these studies were unintentionally relayed during his teaching. It was my understanding that Ramtha felt that he should follow what he needed to do, but that he could not teach while he was busy searching these avenues. I was also told that he will be very missed by the school, but that this was an important time to preserve the integrity of Joe's need to search and the teachings of the school. I still have a strong respect for the needs of both parties."

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This versions of the termination made no mention of the crediting the create your day mantra. [ FWIW, I felt that the after the movie "marketing machine" (including the ellen degeneres hook??) pushed that portion of the interview to the forefront a bit too heavy handedly]

So, it's not likely that we'll ever know the "real" story. But the popularization and faddish nature of the Ramtha material does kind of get under my skin. I enjoy Fred Alan Wolfe and Cadace Pert, along with the anethesiologist (what was his name?..he has a great website with technical info), but I just wish they weren't presented in such a sensationalist way. It makes the message too easy to misinterpret and for more logically minded to scoff at. Too much melodrama for many in the population.

...all my beliefs of course..not necessarily true or reality. :)
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I have inside info [I was personally involved with the Ramtha institution for over a decade]. Joe has always seemed to me to be something of a lackey, with scarce a mind-of-his-own. Just a lack lustre mouthpiece for the big man [as clearly evidenced in the Golden Thread magazine]. Attracted to potential positions of power? Or just a simpleton? Who knows. Perhaps he has begun to find a mind-of-his-own however. And perhaps such a change would cause a falling out with a domineering institution. If so, then three cheers for Doctor Joe!!!

cheers



Now that that is over with, back to business and the real deal - the Seth material. Things have gotten really shoddy since the Seventies, but that doesn't mean that we have to dumb ourselves down to fit the current trends of consciousness. From another perspective all of these times are happening at once. It's all a matter of focus.
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 January 23
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"...you construct your physical universe and your private environment in line with your inner expectations, for they mirror perfectly the deepest areas of your own inner reality."


The Early Sessions, Book 6
Session 253, Page 114
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Then two cheers for whatever the situation is and two more that we're not involved!

cheers

Seth speaks more in my language anyway. An excellent quote to get things back on track. headbang
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"Using your free will, you have made physical reality into something quite different than what was intended. You have allowed the ego to become overly developed and specialized. You were here to work out problems and challenges, but you were always to be aware of your own inner reality, and of your nonphysical existence. To a large extent you have lost contact with this. You have focused so strongly upon physical reality that it become the only reality that you know"

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Have to say, Ramtha never did it for me. Everything has always seemed derivative of Seth. However some, like the Abraham books, use the priciples (cloaked in different terms) and give youactual acticities to reinforce the concepts.

The most interesting books I've read recently are Barbara Marciniak's. I've had lots of "aha" moments with her first 3 books, especially Earth.





GLP