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))) Random SETH Ruminations (((

 
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64455 - Thanks for the great tale! I've experienced a lot of wild stuff since I picked up the Seth materials too, but would that I could describe my stories even remotely as well as you!
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 January 31
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"Creativity is an in-built impetus in man, far more important than, say, what science calls the satisfaction of basic needs. In those terms, creativity is the most basic need of all."

[The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events]
[Session 863, Page 265]
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creativity is the most basic need of all

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certainly -- we recreate ourselves every day, creating new cells and new circumstances.
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Yes.

And as in playing a guitar.

[Note, this random quote was plucked immediately after my reading 64455's tale!]
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 1
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"If every cell set up conditions of its own existence you would not have a body. The conditions blind you to what life is, even to the miraculous balance and imbalance of physical and nonphysical that allows you to think and breathe. Forget your conditions and you will realize the meaning of joy within your own life."

[The Early Sessions, Book 9]
[Session 440, Page 96]
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Careful there Erl. It looks like your religion is giving you a wedgie.
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I saw my massage therapist today. Before we began, she said she had something to read to me. She pulled out Seth Speaks and read a passage germane to my current physical condition.

My massage therapist and I have 'cosmic' talks, I've known her 10 years, but we have never discussed Seth!

I think this thread is placing Seth in my forethought.

thanks.
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magic.

hf
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stoner

Uh yeah, sure.
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 2
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"In order to dislodge unsuitable beliefs and establish new ones, you must learn to use your imagination to move concepts in and out of your mind. The proper use of imagination can then propel ideas in the directions you desire. "

[The Nature of Personal Reality]
[Session 619, Page 55]
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 3
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"In your system of reality you are learning what mental energy is, and how to use it. You do this by constantly transforming your thoughts and emotions into physical form. You are supposed to get a clear picture of your inner development by perceiving the exterior environment. What seems to be a perception, an objective concrete event, independent and apart from you the perceiver, is instead the physical materialization of the perceiver's own inner emotions, energy and mental environment."

[The Early Sessions, Book 9]
[Session 469, Page 268]
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asgard, the post by chiptruth -- and others I've seen of the board -- point to the biggest misconception about the Seth material... that it's a cult of personality or a master/techer type of thing.

If the debunkers ever actually read the Seth material, they would see that it's just a handbook on how to perceive "reality", how to use consciousness and the awareness of multi-dimensional existence.

There is nothing in the Seth material that suggests a cult or worship of Seth or Jane Roberts. The success foisted upon Jane drained her (like it did EdgarCayce).

People get wo wacky about 'channeled' material and claim it comes from lucifer, but then turn right around and quote the bible. If you point out that the bible is comprised of channeled material, oral history, and purloined myths from other cultures that has been deliberately altered, re-interpreted, badly transcribed, inaccurately translated, with intentional omissions and additions that support the political agenda of a certain edition's publishers...
these bible people will tell you it's 'divinely inspired'??!!
oxymoronic, I say, with emphasis on moron!
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Yeah, I know.

There is an impulse to demonize that which they fear or do not understand. And then later, I think it may be just because they get off on it.
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I guess one could say that the bible is used by some to create their reality.
And maybe that is what they're afraid of -- that the saviors and angels and prophets and demons and grace and doom are all a preconstructed template that they've locked their version of reality into.

Can they see it all as a fabrication and just another version of a reality, and how do they detach and realize that they have inherent responsibility as a co-creator?

I guess that's the question, huh. If people who are fitted into a specific, rigid paradigm pull back from the one-reality-fits-all box, what do they see? How do they handle it?

One answer is that people would panic and implode; that's often been given as the reason why UFOs are denied by the govt. Of course, that answer further reinforces the concept that humans are ruled by fear and easily mired by confusion. While some would not want to deal with the awareness that they are more than this body, this being and this timeline, others would be liberated by this awareness.

Books such as the Seth material and all subsequent offerings -- even the diluted sappy ones -- are prompts to people that the paradigm is shifting.
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 4
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"There is a great fallacy operating. People believe that there is one great truth, that it will appear and they will know it. Now a flower is a truth. So is a lamp bulb. So is an idiot and a genius, a glass and an ant. There is little exterior similarity, however. Truth is all of these seemingly distinct, separate, different realities."

[Seth Speaks]
[Session 596, Page 398]
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asgard -- appropriate Seth quote!
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 5
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"The self that you know is but one fragment of your entire identity. These fragment selves are not strung together, however, like beads of a string. They are more like the various skins of an onion, or segments of an orange, all connected through one vitality and growing out into various realities while springing from the same source."

[Seth Speaks]
[Session 512, Page 11]
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I find the seth sleeping patterns awesome. Sleep 4 or 5 hours at night and 1 hour after work. You reach a state of consiousness that u cant reach no matter how hard u meditate. Theres a full chapter in seth material about them. I dont have the book at present sorry.
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Yes, the Setharian way is more a loosening of boundaries, and allowing consciousness to naturally shift into its other layers, rather than the I-am-sitting-down-now-and-meditating approach. Fall into it.
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Well, the interest in this thread sure has waned!
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 6
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"Some see the end of the world coming as a greater disaster, or envision man finally ruining his planet. Others see periods of peace and advance - and each probability will happen somewhere."

[The Unknown Reality, Volume 2]
[Session 742, Page 638]
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I read the following this morning in the Early Sessions......


"Now I have told you time and time again, my friends, that you construct your physical universe and your private environment in line with your inner expectations, for they mirror perfectly the deepest areas of your own inner reality."

"This is perhaps the closest I can come in handing you anything that approaches a basic truth. All of our material follows from this, and any other information contained in the material follows and flows out of this primary statement."

"I do not speak symbolically, but quite literally."

[The Early Sessions: Book Six]
[Page 114; Session 253; 25 April 1966]
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Asgardh

Thanks for all your efforts maintaining this

My teachers were Seth and Lazaris,
by resonance

Neither of them dwelt overly long in the dark densities

They acknowledged it but dismissed it as banal, repetitive,

unimaginative and ultimately powerless

rose
In the gap between your thoughts shines something far brighter than the sun, more profound than all of the universe...and too beautiful to even imagine
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You are quite welcome - in all ways - Celador!

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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 7
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"To me, it is almost inconceivable that, from your position, any of you seriously consider that the existence of your exquisite consciousness can possibly be the result of a conglomeration of chemicals and elements thrown together by a universe accidentally formed, and soon to vanish. So much more evidence is available to you: the order of nature; the creative drama of your dreams, that project your consciousness into other times and places; the very precision with which you spontaneously grow, without knowing how, from a fetus into an adult; the existence of heroic themes and quests and ideals that pervade the life of even the worst scoundrel - these all give evidence of the greater context in which you have your being."

[The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events]
[Session 859, Page 249]
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Near seven years ago, I uprooted myself, quitting job, quitting my community, liquidating my assets, and burning all of my art and music. Then I hit the road and lived in a van. After awhile I got weary of that, then settled in a small town on the Oregon coast. It was there, nearly six years ago, that I found out about and acquired the Seth materials. I immersed myself in all of it, from Seth Speaks on. It can be laborious at times, these transcriptions, but they are so articulate, and cut so very deep, and wide. It was while sitting on the Oregon coast and absorbed in the Seth materials that I began to formulate what it was I needed and wanted to do. It is a life's work. There was one 'exercise' that I really and truly resonated with, took to heart. [That exercise follows below.]



"Conversations with Seth: The story of Jane Roberts's ESP Class,
Volume I" by Susan M. Watkins, copyright 1980

(Seth speaks to Jane's ESP class about dreaming a city in Chapter 10)

"To the class in general, Seth continued: `Now, at certain times,
dream activity is also accelerated, and this is indeed such a time.
You have an opportunity, now, to know yourselves as you are, and as
you also exist in inner reality.'

"Seth's eyes were wide, dark, and penetrating. The room as stuffed
with the magic of an autumn night and a fragrant wind blowing in
through the open windows. `You have an opportunity now to open new
roads, if you will—to form your own inner city,' Seth said, a smile
creeping across Jane's features. `You will be the new inhabitants. It
can be your own city. You will have to make your own politics! They
will be any kind you desire.'

" `You have enough class members now to form such a city. It will be
used symbolically as a meeting place. You will have your own inner
home, then that you form yourself.'

" `You should go there as a founder, each of you. You can begin
forming that city now. And when you form such city, you form it for
yourself, and yet you also form it for others. And, in greater terms,
of course, you have already formed it; and when you no longer need
it, it will be used by others, and it will be a kind of inner
landmark where others may use what you have created.'

"Part of me was fascinated. Part of me was horrified. Red flags waved
in my brain. An inner City? Uh-oh. It sounded a bit too much like
some kind of occult-records-hidden-in-the-mountains thing. Besides, I
didn't like cities on the level I was dealing with now, let alone a
level somewhere in the sky. And yet . . . Seth's words fit somehow,
and I felt the call of challenge and adventure. It was exciting to
think of the kinds of lucid dream correlations class might have,
using this `city´ as a symbolic meeting place. But the thing was, I
had the uneasy feeling that this was one of those times when Seth was
not speaking `symbolically.´

" `Now, I have hinted at multidimensional art, and this is
multidimensional art indeed,' Seth was saying. `Each of you has
abilities particularly suited to form such an inner environment—such
a `Sumari City´—and so shall you then be pioneers in your own way.
There are inner lands to be conquered, for there are inner lands
still to be formed. For when you create this city, you create the
landscape and the reality in which it exists. The planning of your
city should begin now. Keep track of your dream activity!'

" `Now, I return you to yourselves, and to this room, and to the
founding of your first inner Sumari city. You cannot complain about
that city, for you will have formed it! Make it pleasant and warm for
other dream travelers'—here, Seth stared directly at me—`and always
be courteous to those who knock at new doors!'

"Seth withdrew. Class burst into a flurry of conversation, hardly
stopping to tell Jane what had been said. `A dream city?´ she said
quizzically, frowning. `Hmmmm.´ Getting a word in edgewise, I quickly
described the weird noises and knockings on my front porch during the
week—had that been part of this city thing? It was already midnight,
but as we kept on talking all at once, Seth came through again.

" `There are old tales telling you that `the way´ is prepared—that
there are many mansions in God's house, but who made the mansions?
Now I am beginning to hint in `Unknown´ Reality at a different kind
of culture and activity. And I would like to see, in this space and
time, a beginning made again of that kind of activity. I would like
to see you, then—and you can—build up an entirely valid culture,
beginning with a city in another level of reality; where, if you
believe what I am telling you, you can deal with mathematics—
mathematics that you have not dreams of as yet, and realities of
which you are not as yet aware.'

" `You can, therefore, build an inner level of freedom that gives you
access to far more information than you usually have. You can
colonize an entire inner level of reality. To do so, you must give
your best with dedication and joyful creativity.'

" `This will not be an imaginary city! It will have a greater reality
than any physical city you know . . . there, you will hopefully work
on developing skills . . . you will learn what you have forgotten,
and yet when you do so you will learn something new. For you have all
changed, and there is no such thing as dead knowledge or of a dead
skill . . .'

" `The city will have more than seven hills [like ancient Rome], and
not all roads will lead to it; nor should all roads lead to it. Try,
then before you sleep to remind yourself of your own endless
creativity. Remind yourselves that what I say can definitely be
accomplished. Try, before you sleep, to remind yourselves of the
city, and to plan what you would do there, for you will do it!' "


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" `Now, each of you in your own way have been working with the nature
of reality and of creativity,' he said. `There is much I have not
told you about your city, for you will have to discover it for
yourselves. And yet, there is, indeed, this other reality in which
your creativity blossoms; and when you make your plans here, they do
indeed come to fruition. I am merely encouraging you to focus your
joint energies in that direction. And if you do, you will have in
whatever terms, a dimension in which you can meet...'

" `You will be dealing with symbols, yet you will learn that symbols
are reality, for you are symbols of yourself that live and speak, and
you do not think of yourselves as symbols. You do not understand that
symbols live—that there is no symbol that does not have its own
individual life.'

" `I speak to you theoretically of other realities. I challenge you
now to be creative in another reality, as you are in this one. And if
it seem to you—if it seems to you—because of your beliefs, that you
are limited here, though you are not limited here, then I challenge
each of you, joyfully, as in a game, to create a city, an environment
and perhaps a world in which no such limitations occur. And if you
had your choice, what kind of world would you create?'

" `And so you have begun the building. For each of you, in your own
way, will contribute in your own way. There are birds to be created
to fly through those skies—and those birds are your thoughts, freed
to their own fruition; and again, in other words, what wrens and
robins and cardinals'—`fly invisibly out of your skull to materialize
in you city, and light upon the trees that are also the fruition of
your desire?'

" `Now, you take it for granted, most of you, the fact that you can,
indeed, travel out of the body. For centuries, in your terms, there
have been no pleasant, recognizable roads for out-of-body travelers
to follow. So I am suggesting that you create such a road and such a
destination.'

" `Now, listen—you think there is nothing impossible, intrinsically,
about building a platform in [outer] space—a handy place where
supplies may be gathered. I am suggesting, then, a platform in inner
reality; a safe place for travelers, and you can build it. It is as
valid, and far more valid, than an orbiting city in the sky in
physical terms, and it challenges your creative abilities far more.'

" `You need a good challenge—it is fun! Not because you should do it,
but because you desire it and because it is fun, and because there is
no other such creative challenge that you can throw down to
yourselves—and no one else has ever thought of a better one: thrown
down to yourselves from future selves that you shall indeed
encounter, and you know you can do this and you know that you have
done it; and on the face of the Earth, as you know it, there is no
greater challenge that you can give yourselves...' "


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"Conversations with Seth: The story of Jane Roberts's ESP Class,
Volume II" by Susan M. Watkins, copyright 1981

(Seth speaks to Jane's ESP class about dreaming a city in Chapter 21)

" ` ...and we do have a city building. A city. Highly impractical, it
seems, at this time. A city that does indeed exist mentally. But all
things exist mentally first, or they will never be materialized. And
some day that city might exist physically. But it will not be when
you are here. Yet your memories will be in it and your desires. And
to that extent you will be founders.'

" `And you forge such dreams in your sleep and in your private
imaginings, and in your inspirations. For when one member of a
species dreams such dreams, those dreams are transmitted to all other
members. They do not die. When a runner at the Olympics does better
than the runner before, then all the sportscasters say, `How grand!
We did not know man could run so fast!' and so now records are being
broken all the time. And mentally, the same thing applies.'

" `Dream a grand dream. For when one member of the species dreams,
all members, to some extent, participate. and the psyche, and the
soul, and the heart of man take new leaps, in your terms, not taken
before. So trust yourselves, and trust your love and your dreams. [To
Rudy, and Charlene, and Vic, looking at Rudy:] And tell your students
I say [shouts] R-A-YYYY!!!! Which means hooray. [Shouts]
HOOORAAAYYY!!!!' "


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" `Now, I have spoken about a city. A dream city that you do not see
now, Sue. It is not before your eyes. But this world as you know it
came from some un-where. It came from a mental dimension and was then
materialized. And so our city that is not manifest now, is a reality
of the mind. And since it is a reality of the mind, it will somehow
be a reality in physical fact. And it will be a realm, however small,
however large, in whatever probability, and you will be a part of it.
And it will be a realm in which men and women know themselves and
walk in honor, and in freedom. And it will be a realm, however small,
however large, in which there is indeed an infinite creativity, And
it can be a creativity that seeds worlds.'

" `Your thoughts now seed worlds. It is only because you do not know
that, that what I say sounds strange. You are here because your
thoughts before your birth seeded this world into which you would
grow. You did not come here strangers. There is still, you see, much
to learn...' "
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"Using energy generates energy. The more creative energy you generate, the more you are able to generate."

[Early Sessions: Book Six]
[Page 284; Session 275; 25 July 1966]





For those who are into the Seth stuff, I gotta say that these Early Session books are a treasure trove. This is core material here. The basis for the summarizing 1970 book The Seth Material is fleshed out in these volumes. Unfortunately the sessions right now are heavily side-lined by psychic testing of Seth [remote 'Dr Instream' tests; and Robert's envelope tests]. I skim these portions now.
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 7
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"The race also realizes well the advantages and disadvantages of the physical reality it has adopted. It knows for example that there is a tendency to go to extremes. I mentioned earlier that the rewards, the challenges and the dangers exist precisely because so much freedom is allowed. Now. Those within the system know this. Regardless of what you may think of their present performance at any given 'time', it is from this system that the greatest potentials emerge; for having dealt with it, consciousness undergoes one of the severest tests in learning to handle its own energy. The horror and the results of mismanagement, and the vulnerability, are the teaching methods that each consciousness has accepted before entering your system. There is no way out but to learn or to ruin the entire system. In no other field of reality are the terms so drastic. For this reason the inner self withholds much of its knowledge. There must be no leaning upon the very basic fact that behind and within the system there is relief. You must believe in the physical reality and accept the vulnerability."

[Seth: The Early Sessions; Book 9]
[Session 498, Page 370]
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Seth and Physics: The Construction of the Physical Universe
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By Norman Friedman, author of Bridging Science and Spirit and speaker at SethNet '94

Jane Roberts (1929-1984) was a novelist and poet before she became a channel for the entity who calls himself Seth. In September 1963, Jane had what she described as her first paranormal experience. While writing poetry, she suddenly felt her consciousness leave her body, and simultaneously she began writing (or recording) a torrent of new ideas entering her mind. These writings are the enormously provocative definitions entitled "The Physical Universe as Idea Construction."1 The amazing aspect of this encounter for Jane was that not only were some of these ideas new to her but many were contrary to her own beliefs.

At the time, Jane was researching and writing a book on extra-sensory perception, the acquisition of information outside the five senses. As part of her project, she and her husband Robert Butts began experimenting with a Ouija board. After a few sessions, they began receiving messages from Seth---an "energy essence personality," using Seth's terms. After a few more sessions, Jane began anticipating the Ouija board messages and speaking them before the pointer moved. Soon after that she was capable of full trance in which she allowed Seth to use her body to deliver his message. These sessions resulted in a number of books written by Jane Roberts and others dictated by Seth.

Later, Jane realized that "The Physical Universe as Idea Construction" was the embryo from which all the Seth material unfolded. The following is an examination of a few of the ideas from this seminal work in relation to comments made by some modern physicists. The first definition is:

Energy is the basis of the universe.

This is consistent with contemporary physics. Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity expresses the equivalence of mass and energy, quantified by the famous equation E=mc2 where E is the energy, m is the mass, and c is the velocity of light. So physicists are aware that particles such as electrons and protons are really concentrated energy, a concept in agreement with Seth's statement that energy is the basis of the universe. But Seth goes one step further to state that:

"All energy contains consciousness. That one sentence is basically scientific heresy, and in many circles, it is religious heresy as well. A recognition of that simple sentence would indeed change your world...."2 Indeed, while physicists recognize the equivalence of mass and energy, you might imagine that invoking consciousness in this way would send them running for the exits. Amazingly, though, there are a growing number of scientists who seriously entertain similar ideas. Freemen Dyson is a professor of physics at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University. He contends that quantum theory has made all matter, even units as small as elementary particles, into active agents. By "active agent" he means that each particle in the universe makes choices between random processes. The following excerpt makes this quite clear:

"I think our consciousness is not just a passive epiphenomenon carried along by the chemical events in our brains, but is an active agent forcing the molecular complexes to make choices between one quantum state and another. In other words, mind is already inherent in every electron...."3 The view expressed by Dyson is spreading among physicists and other scientists. Harold J. Morowitz, professor of molecular biophysics and biochemistry at Yale University, comments:

"The views of a large number of contemporary physical scientists are summed up in the essay "Remarks on the Mind-Body Question" written by Nobel laureate Eugene Wigner. Wigner begins by pointing out that most physical scientists have returned to the recognition that thought --- meaning the mind --- is primary. He goes on to state: "It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to the consciousness." And he concludes by noting how remarkable it is that the scientific study of the world led to the content of consciousness as an ultimate reality."4 The second definition from Seth's initial contact with Jane Roberts is: Ideas are mental transformations of energy by an entity into physical reality.

This definition refers to the concept expressed in the title "The Physical Universe as Idea Construction" and is repeated throughout the Seth material in the statement, "You make your own reality."5 Not only do we humans form our own realities but so does every animal, every vegetable, every electron. Of course, the reality created by an electron is quite different from the worlds you and I create, for we are capable of more extensive experience. Seth expresses it this way:

"Molecules and atoms and even smaller particles have a condensed consciousness. They form into cells and form an individual cellular consciousness. This combination results in a consciousness that is capable of much more experience and fulfillment than would be possible for the isolated atom or molecule alone. This goes on ad infinitum . . . to form the physical body mechanism. Even the lowest particle retains its individuality and [through this cooperation] its abilities are multiplied a millionfold."6

The question arises, how does the particle (and the human) create its own reality? Throughout the Seth books, Seth explains this remarkable process. We can touch on only a few aspects here. Seth says that metaphorically speaking, we swim in a sea of probable events. Another way of phrasing it is that we are immersed in a field of probabilities, but we activate only those events we choose to turn into our reality. We are, as humans, blessed with the ability to create a near-infinite number of events. We do this---using Seth's metaphor of a television set with a remote control---by tuning in to those "programs" we wish to become our reality.

How does our "remote control" work? According to Seth, our thoughts and emotions are constantly being transformed into physical form. The events of our lives seem to have an objective, concrete existence independent of us. But what we perceive is really the materialization of our own inner emotions and thoughts. That is, the objects we perceive are our own creations symbolizing our mental activity. In some sense, this is analogous to using the remote control to select the program we wish to view.

What is the purpose of this process? Seth says we are learning what mental energy is and how to use it. In short, we are developing our consciousness. This activity is not confined to humans but also is present in elementary particles. Recall Freeman Dyson's comment that the electron is an active agent making choices from random processes. Although the electron's selection of probable events is, however, more restricted than ours, presumably it too is developing its own consciousness.

Does the sea of probabilities encountered by the electron have any relevance to quantum theory? It does because the quantum properties of an electron differ from those described by classical physics in that they are latent potentialities. This requires a short explanation. When an electron is not being observed (with a measuring instrument), it is described by a mathematical entity called a wave function. The wave function describes all the potentialities of the electron and assigns a certain probability to each. When we observe the electron, one of the potentialities is developed or brought into reality. If enough electrons are observed, they unerringly follow the quantum rules of probability.

To understand this better, consider the following metaphor. In a given community, the distribution of religious affiliation is 60% Protestant, 30% Catholic, and 10% "other." Everyone in the community is free to choose their religion (or even change it), but as a group, suppose they are constrained to follow the rule of distribution---analogous to the "wave function"---and divide along religious lines in a 60%, 30%, 10% manner. If you consider the religion of one citizen, this pattern of probabilities applies (i.e., there is a 60% chance that he is Protestant) and for the entire community, statistical laws are followed exactly. In the same way, the electron swims in a sea of probabilities until we "look" at it, then one probability is selected. Thus it becomes materialized.

Similarly, Freeman Dyson would say the electron selects its own actions but is constrained in that action by the entire group. That is, when you decide to walk across the room, every cell, molecule, and electron in you body is a free agent, but your body organizes itself to move in concert with your decision. Seth describes this: "You stand amid a constant vital commotion, a gestalt of aware energy, and you are yourselves physically composed of conscious cells that carry within themselves the realization of their own identity, that cooperate willingly to form the corporeal structure that is your physical body."7

And:
"You're are the one who decides to walk across the floor, and then all of these inner calculations take place to help you achieve your goal. The conscious intent, therefore, activates the inner mechanisms and changes the behavior of the cells and their components."8

So in some sense, your conscious intent sets the constraints on all the constituents of your body, which, individually and in combination, we refer to as "conscious gestalts." In a similar manner, when a conductor of a symphony orchestra decides to play a given selection during a concert all the musicians willingly cooperate to perform the piece. In scientific circles, this is called downward causation. Physicist David Peat explains it this way:

"The human body is composed of cells which depend upon the whole organism. So at one level the operations of the body can be explained in terms of its constituents, yet at another, these constituent parts must be defined in terms of the goals, operations, and meaning of the whole."9

One final aspect should be considered. If we each make our own reality, how is it that we perceive a single shared reality "out there?" According to Seth, there exists an infinite number of realities---all occupying the same space. As an example, imagine three persons plus a cat in a room with a table. According to Seth, there are actually three rooms, each with a table, each in a three-dimensional space. There is also a fourth room made by the cat. The rooms made by the people are enough alike to create the impression of the same "room," the reason being that the humans have the same neurological structure and are on relatively the same level of conscious awareness. The room made by the cat is probably quite different but since we have no common language, we cannot determine its characteristics.

You might be thinking that surely there is no counterpart to such an idea in contemporary physics. But a construct called Hilbert space offers some parallels.

When quantum theory was originally formulated, it was found that ordinary three-dimensional space was not adequate if all the independent possibilities were to be handled. For example, if two electrons make up the quantum state, one three-dimensional space for both electrons would not allow the physicist to perform such calculations as the conservation of momentum if two electrons collide. In short, a six-dimensional space is required---three for each electron. As the possibilities increase, the number of dimensions increase. The physicist uses an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space for calculations, with the particle becoming a pattern in this infinite-dimensional space. It is as if each electron requires its own space. An analogy would be two people in separate cities playing a game of chess and communicating their moves through a telephone link. In such an arrangement, two chess boards are required, each with the pieces placed in the same pattern. Thus the idea that we construct our own reality is like each of us having our own chessboard of life, playing the game according to generally agreed upon rules.

In summary, Seth makes these assertions, which are clearly related to concepts in contemporary physics:

· Energy is the basis of the universe.
· Energy is consciousness: that is to say, mind is inherent in all matter from the elementary particle to the human.
· The universe is constructed from mental activity and from all consciousness.
· All conscious gestalts are constrained by their level of development but willingly cooperate to create a consensus reality.
In the simplest terms, all is energy, energy is consciousness, and all cooperate for the development of all.10

Copyright: November, 1993. All rights reserved.

1. Jane Roberts, Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness. Stillpoint Publishing, Walpole, New Hampshire, 1987, p.44.


2. Jane Roberts, The God of Jane. Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1987, p. 146.


3. Paul Davies, The Cosmic Blueprint. Simon and Schuster, New York, 1988, p. 190.


4. Harold J. Morowitz, Cosmic Joy and Local Pain. Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1937, p.277.


5. Jane Roberts, The Nature of Personal Reality. Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1974, p. 16.


6. Jane Roberts, The Seth Material. Prentice Hall, Inc., New York, 1970, p. 125-126.


7. Jane Roberts, Seth Speaks. Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1972, p. 12.


8. Jane Roberts, The "Unknown" Reality. Vol. 2, Prentice Hall Press, New York, 1985, p. 323.


9. F. David Peat, Synchronicity. Bantam Books, New York, 1987, p. 63.


10. The comparisons and related topics described in this article are presented in detail in my book Bridging Science and Spirit. Living Lake Books, St. Louis, 1990, 1994.
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Last night I had my first true awake-in-dreaming experience in years. [Several years ago I began to work the Castaneda hands-in-dreaming techniques, with vivid results. But I didn't stay with it.....lazy].

I was standing there and everything came into focus at once; visually and in awareness. To say it was vivid is an understatement. It was outrageous. Completely awake in the dream, knowing that was exactly what it was, yet staying focused in the dream world.

All this because less than two weeks ago I began to take Seth's persistent advice to program myself in hypnagogia each evening...without fail. Simple dilegence on my part.
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