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))) Random SETH Ruminations (((

 
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You cannot really get rid of Ramtha once you let him in :)

Ramtha is a powerful presence, and is also very good with intrinsic truths - one-liners for the most part. In terms of ellucidation and application, that is another matter.
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“If you paint a picture, its overall quality comes from the inner atmosphere of your being.”

“In the same manner, your create your physical image and your world. If anything in that physical image or world needs changing, the change must first be made in the atmosphere of the inner self.”

“For this projection of inner into outer is automatic. Understanding the processes involved is of great benefit. The physical self SEEMS to react to physical stimuli. Actually, of course, it is reacting to its own reality, projected outward.”

“The objects in the physical universe are but symbols to express other realities existing within private realms. The inner will always be projected outward within your system. If, for example, a letter comes to you bearing good news, and you react to the letter with high spirits, then you should understand that the high spirits existed first, and created the materialization of the letter within the physical system, through the multi-layered and complicated reactions that bind together the physical system.”

“I cannot emphasize too strongly that this is automatic. I do not want to put it in such a way that it is oversimplified. Neither do I want it to get too involved in too many complications.”

“The intensity of the inner feeling is the dominating factor here.”

[The Early Sessions: Book 8]
[Page 1; Session 334; 12 April 1967]


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The principle above is something that we must continuously remind/realign ourselves - our outer objectively oriented selves - with time and time again. And further and further. It is so very the opposite of what nearly every human being holds to be the nature of reality, the real world, cause and effect. This is not unlike Castenada learning to turn around inside of himself [somewhere in the 2nd Ring/Eagles Gift period].
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SETH SPEAKS
CHAPTER 5
HOW THOUGHTS FORM MATTER - COORDINATION POINTS

As you read the words upon this page, you realize that the information that you are receiving is not an attribute of the letters of the words themselves. The printed line does not contain information. It transmits information. Where is the information that is being transmitted then, if it is not upon the page?

The same question of course applies when you read a newspaper, and when you speak to another person. Your actual words convey information, feelings, or thoughts. Obviously the thoughts or the feelings, and the words, are not the same thing. The letters upon the page are symbols, and you have agreed upon various meanings connected with them. You take it for granted without even thinking of it that the sym-bols - the letters - are not the reality - the information or thoughts - which they attempt to convey.

Now in the same way, I am telling you that objects are also symbols that stand for a reality whose meaning the objects, like the letters, transmit. The true information is not in the objects any more than the thought is in the letters or in words. Words are methods of expression. So are physical objects in a different kind of medium. You are used to the idea that you express yourselves directly through words. You can hear yourself speak them. You can feel the muscles in your throat move, and if you are aware, you can perceive multitudinous reactions within your own body - actions that all accompany your speech.

Physical objects are the result of another kind of expression. You create them as surely as you create words. I do not mean that you create them with your hands alone, or through manufacture. I mean that objects are natural by-products of the evolution of your species, even as words are. Examine for a moment your knowledge of your own speech, however. Though you hear the words and recognize their appropriateness, and though they may more or less approximate an expression of your feeling, they are not your feeling, and there must be a gap between your thought and your expression of it.

The familiarity of speech begins to vanish when you realize that you, yourself, when you begin a sentence do not know precisely how you will end it, or even how you form the words. You do not consciously know how you manipulate a staggering pyramid of

symbols, picking from them precisely those you need to express a given thought. For that matter, you do not know how you think.

You do not know how you translate these symbols upon this page into thoughts, and then store them, or make them your own. Since the mechanisms of normal speech are so little known to you on a conscious level, then it is not surprising that you are equally unaware of more complicated tasks that you also perform - such as the constant creation of your physical environment as a method of communication and expression.

It is only from this viewpoint that the true nature of physical matter can be understood. It is only by comprehending the nature of this constant translation of thoughts and desires - not into words now, but into physical objects - that you can realize your true independence from circumstance, time, and environment.

Now, it is easy to see that you translate feelings into words or bodily expressions and gestures, but not quite as easy to realize that you form your physical body as effortlessly and unselfconsciously as you translate feelings into symbols that become words.

You have heard the expression before, I am sure, that the environment expresses a particular individual's personality. I am telling you that this is a literal and not symbolic truth. The letters upon the page have the reality only of ink and paper. The information they convey is invisible. As an object, this book itself is only paper and ink. It is a carrier of information.

You may perhaps argue that the book was manufactured physically, and did not suddenly erupt through Ruburt's skull, already printed and bound. You in turn had to borrow or purchase the book, so you may think, "Surely, I did not create the book, as I created my words." But before we are finished we will see that basically speaking, each of you create the book you hold in your hands, and that your entire physical en-vironment comes as naturally out of your inner mind as words come out of your mouths, and that man forms physical objects as unselfconsciously and as automatically as he forms his own breath.

The peculiar, particular aspects of your physical world are dependent upon your existence and focus within it. The physical universe does not contain physical objects of solidity, width and depth, for example, to those whose existence is not within it.

Other kinds of consciousness coexist within the same "space" that your world inhabits. They do not perceive your physical objects, for their reality is composed of a different camouflage structure. You do not perceive them, and generally speaking they do not perceive you. This is a general statement, however, for various points of your realities can and do coincide, so to speak.

These points are not recognized as such, but they are points of what you could call double reality, containing great energy potential; coordinate points, indeed, where realities merge. There are main coordinate points, pure mathematically, sources of fantastic energy, and subordinate coordinate points, vast in number.

There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another. They also act as transformers, and provide much of the
generating energy that makes creation continuous in your terms.
Your space is filled with these subordinate points, and as you will see later, these are important in allowing you to transform thoughts and emotions into physical matter. When a thought or emotion attains a certain intensity, it automatically attracts the power of one of these subordinate points, and is therefore highly charged, and in one way magnified, though not in size.

These points impinge upon what you call time, as well as space. There are certain points in time and space, therefore, (again in your terms), that are more conducive than others, where both ideas and matter will be more highly charged. Practically speaking, this means that buildings will last longer; in your context, that ideas wedded to form will be relatively eternal. The pyramids, for example, are a case in point.

These coordinate points - absolute, main, or subordinate - represent accumulations or traces of pure energy, minute to an extreme if you are thinking in terms of size - smaller than any particle of which your scientists know for example, but composed of pure energy. And yet this energy must be activated. It is dormant until then - and it cannot be activated physically.

A few clues here that might help you, or mathematicians. There is an ever-so-minute alteration of gravity forces in the neighborhood of all of these points, even of the subordinate ones, and all the so-called physical laws to some extent or another will be found to have a wavering effect in these neighborhoods. The subordinate points also serve in a way as supports, as structural intensification within the unseen fabric of energy that forms all realities and manifestations. While they are traces or accumulations of pure energy, there is a great difference between the amount of energy available in the various subordinate points, and between the main and the absolute points.

These are points, therefore, of concentrated energy. The subordinate points are far more common, and practically speaking, affect your daily concerns. There are better places than others to build houses or structures - points where health and vitality are strengthened, where, other things being equal, plants will grow and flourish and where all beneficial conditions seem to meet.

Some people can sense such neighborhoods instinctively. They occur within certain angles made by coordinate points. The points obviously are not themselves physical - that is, they are not visible, though they may be mathematically deduced. They are felt, however, as intensified energy.
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In a given room, plants will grow more effectively in a particular area than in other areas, providing that both areas contain such necessary requirements as light. All of your space is permeated by these coordination points, so that certain invisible angles are formed.

This is highly simplified, but some angles will be more "on the outskirts" than others, and will be less favorable for all conditions of growth and activity. In speaking of these angles we will treat them as three-dimensional, though they are of course multidimensional. Since the nature of these angles is not the main topic of my book, it is not possible to explain them thoroughly here. They will seem to be stronger during
certain times than other times, though these differences have nothing to do with either the nature of the coordinate points or with the nature of time. Other elements affect them, but we need not be concerned with these now.

The concentrated energy points are activated by emotional intensities that are well within your normal range. Your own emotions or feelings will activate these coordinates whether you know of them or not. Greater energy will therefore be added to the original thought or feeling, and its projection into physical matter accelerated. Now this applies regardless of the nature of the feeling; only its intensity is involved here.

These points are like invisible power plants, in other words, activated when any emotional feeling or thought of sufficient intensity comes into contact. The points themselves intensify whatever activates them in a quite neutral manner.

This is highly simplified, but the subjective experience of any consciousness is automatically expressed as electromagnetic energy units. These exist "beneath" the range of physical matter. They are, if you prefer, incipient particles that have not yet emerged into matter.

These units are natural emanations from all kinds of consciousness. They are the invisible formations resulting from reaction to any kind of stimuli. They very seldom exist in isolation, but unite under certain laws. They change both their form and their pulsation. Their relative "duration" depends upon the original intensity behind them - that is, behind the original thought, emotion, stimuli, or reaction that brought them into being.

Again, highly simplified here, under certain conditions these coagulate into matter. Those electromagnetic units of high enough intensity automatically activate the subordinate coordinate points of which I have spoken. They are, therefore, accelerated and propelled into matter far more quickly, in your terms, than units of lesser intensity. Molecules would appear as large as planets to these units. Atoms and mol-ecules and planets and these electromagnetic energy units are simply different manifestations of the same principles that bring the units themselves into being. It is only your relative position, your focus within an apparent space and time, that makes this seem so unlikely.

Each thought or emotion therefore exists as an electromagnetic energy unit or as a combination of these under certain conditions, and often with the help of coordinate points, they emerge into the building blocks of physical matter. This emergence into matter occurs as a neutral "result" regardless of the nature of any given thought or emotion. Mental images, accompanied by strong emotion, are blueprints therefore upon which a corresponding physical object, or condition or event, will in your terms appear.

The intensity of a feeling or thought or mental image is, therefore, the important element in determining its subsequent physical materialization.

The intensity is the core about which the electromagnetic energy units form. In your terms, the more intense the core, the sooner the physical materialization. This would apply whether the mental image was a fearful one or a joyful one. Now there is a very important problem here: If your turn of mind is highly intense and you think in vivid mental emotional images, these will be swiftly formed into physical events. If you are
also of a highly pessimistic nature, given to thoughts and feelings of potential disaster, then these thoughts will be quite faithfully reproduced in experience.

The more intense your imagination and inner experience, therefore, the more important it is that you realize the methods by which this inner experience becomes physically real. Your thoughts and emotions begin their journey into physical actualization at the moment of conception. If you happen to live in an area where the coordinate environment is strong, one of those areas I have spoken of as unusually conducive, then it will seem that you are deluged by illnesses or disasters, if these are the nature of your thoughts, because all thought is so fertile in this environment. If, on the other hand, your feelings and subjective experience are fairly well balanced, fairly optimistic and creative in a constructive manner, then it will seem to you that you have been blessed with unusual luck, for your pleasant suppositions will come to pass so quickly.

Briefly, in your own country, the West Coast, portions of the East Coast, Utah, the Great Lakes, the Chicago area, the Minneapolis area, and some other southwestern areas, are in those neighborhoods of excellent coordinate activity, for the reasons given. Materialization will quickly appear, and potentials therefore for both constructive and destructive elements are high.

These coordinate points themselves activate the behavior of atoms and molecules as, say for example, the sun aids the growth of plants. The coordinates activate the generating behavior of atoms and molecules, and greatly encourage their cooperative abilities; their tendency to swarm, so to speak, into organizations and structural groupings.

The coordinate points magnify or intensify the behavior, the latent spontaneity inherent within the properties of physical matter. They act as psychic generators, propelling what is not yet physical into physical form.

Now, this is not to be a technical book, so this is not the time nor place to discuss thoroughly the action, behavior or effects of these coordinate points; nor of the electromagnetic energy units - those natural emanations of consciousness of which I spoke. I want it known, however, that thoughts and emotions are formed into physical matter by very definite methods and through laws quite valid, though they may be presently unknown.

In other portions of the Seth material these processes will be made very clear for those of you who desire to pursue the question further, or those who may be interested from a scientific point of view. Here, we are discussing such issues only because they touch upon the multidimensional aspect of personality. They allow you to materialize certain subjective experiences into three-dimensional reality. Before I leave the subject, however, let me remind you that these emanations in varying degrees rise from all consciousness, not simply your own. This includes cellular consciousness as well, so that an invisible network of electromagnetic units pervades your entire atmosphere; and upon this webwork and from it, the particles of physical matter are then formed.

A whole book could easily be written upon this subject. Information regarding the "locations" of main and absolute coordinate points could be highly advantageous, for
example. You pride yourselves on your technology, and the production of durable goods, buildings and roads, yet many of these are insignificant when compared to other structures within the "past."

A true understanding of the way in which an idea becomes physical matter would result in a complete revamping of your so-called modern technology, and in buildings, roads, and other structures that would far outlast those you now have. While the psychic reality behind physical matter is ignored, then you cannot use those methods effectively that do exist, nor can you take advantage of them. You cannot understand the psychic reality that is the true impetus for your physical existence unless you first realize your own psychic reality, and independence from physical laws.

My first purpose, therefore, is to make you aware of the inner identity of which you are part, and to clear away some of the intellectual and superstitious debris that prevents you from recognizing your own potentialities and freedom. Then perhaps you can begin to learn the many ways in which that freedom can be used.
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you are right....this is way beyond intentional creating with Abraham.

I know the Ley lines around my area are highly charged coordinates for manifestation. Do you know why there are certain areas that are more intense than others?

Also....nag champa incense is invaluable for diffusing chaotic energies that affect creative angles in your home.
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aikido:

Even the most powerful human being has a limited sphere of strength. Draw him outside of that sphere and into your own, and his strength will dissipate.


I have been consciously building my electromagnetic field and bringing all aspects back into the tan tien....doesn't this seem to be what seth is saying? Your electromagnetic field needs developing for strong precise manifestations....with no time lapse (or space between).

Any comments?
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I see the connection between the inner and the outer as the primary concern. I believe the rest will take care of itself when that connection is stable and sturdy. The 'connection' is a clear channel in one respect. It is also a singularity, in that the artificial division between the core self and the manifest self has been relaxed to the point that feeling and perception are united. They are in tandem. You can feel your thoughts and your thoughts can feel. And in that you become acutely aware that you are literally walking the landscape of your own interior mind on earth. That changes things considerably.

I hold that the TORUS - a rolling donut vortex - is the root shape of everthing....an atom, an apple, aikido, a human, a planet, a universe.
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 12
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"Your modern methods of communication are in fact modeled after your inner ones."

[Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment: Volume 2]
[Session 932, Page 456]




Funny, he said near identically the same thing in the very beginning of the Early Sessions, some fifteen years earlier [1963/1964]. I have often wondered about our use of electricity and our computerization. And the cell phone explosion. I wonder what are those things really; what lies beneath the manifestation? It is obvious that some thing, or some idea, is surging within and through our era, and this profusion of technology is the result of that.
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you know nik, I am seeing that these points are like the accupuncture points on the meridians and nadis in the body and subtle body....it makes perfect sense that when these are cleared of residual energy and thought processes that prana flows unimpeded and thoughts are received with no lag time or rejection by blockages...thus instant manifestations occur.



the age of aquarius...air and electrical
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Sebastian Fawlkes wrote a book named Human Traces. It's a fascinating novel tracing the evaluation of people "hearing voices".

One of the theories is that in the beginning, pre-communication, people were directly instructed by "god", as a voice they heard. As communication developed this voice was no longer required, evolutionarily speaking, and many lost the ability to hear it. It is suggested, that schizophrenics are a remaining example of those who can still hear and are tuned into this ancient "voice".

"The big idea belongs to the controversial American psychologist Julian Jaynes. In The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, published in 1976, Jaynes concocted the notion that, as language evolved, humans in the early stages of consciousness would hear voices as neurological response to the need for individuals to function at a distance from the group, receiving internal "instructions" through a primitive, voice-hearing consciousness, rather than by direct communication with one another. This faculty gradually disappeared as human society developed but, crucially, it continued to resurface in schizophrenics—people who were unable to suppress, as it were, their ancestral, evolutionary voices. Despite being highly speculative, and often considered a "cult" theory, Jaynes's theory nevertheless has aspects that some neuroscientists still find helpful.


Faulks, however, finds the idea helpful because it does something for him as a novelist. It gives heightened expression to the belief outlined in the book that schizophrenia contains a kind of code for the development of the human mind (as a by-product of consciousness, it is the defining human illness); and it also gives him a metaphor for the motivations of literature. Ever since those voices disappeared, he suggests, man has been plagued by a sorrow for their absence. "In the Iliad," Thomas Midwinter says, "the characters take instruction from the voices of the gods. Achilles is not a conscious man. He is a human at an intermediate stage." What took place subsequently, as most humans ceased to hear their internal voices, is the drama that we witness in the Old Testament. "It is the story of a people crying in the wilderness—and what they are crying for is their lost gods." Faulks may, at this point, have left behind the verifiable scientific aspects of the rest of his book, but he has at the very least found a metaphor that draws it all together: the biology of madness, the human-ness of madness, the sorrow of madness. "
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"Your modern methods of communication are in fact modeled after your inner ones."



It finally hit me what he means. There is something else he states a number of times in the Early Sessions: That without telepathy we would have no languages. I got it. All communications are already telepathy. They are simply cloaked according to the form of intensity that they are being conducted. One level of telepathy appears to be words in the air. Another level looks like electricity beamed thru the air. There is an evolution of telepathy taking place right now under our very noses. And because we divide things and time we do not generally perceive the entire sweep of what is going on, nor do we have a visceral sense of what is going on under the surface of reality, the tides of intent that are pulsing thru our system.
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In another thread, origins of consciousness, I suggest that, indeed, telepathy was communication before writing, that's my proposition anyway. As for seth, I wonder, if jane Roberts (can't recall if that's the right name or not) had claimed the messages were coming from "god", or indeed herself, if seth would be seen the same way, or even known? Maybe, maybe not.
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Sophia-I agree in principle. However, the linear concept of prehistory - those times 'before' the present time may be a distortion. The past as indicated by Jaynes is another portion of the present. What is going on now is the same telepathy, but there are other specializations and distinctions being thrust thru the process.

Language does not cause communication. Communication happens at a deeper level, and language is a by-product.

Likewise, as you cruise down the highway in your vehicle....at some level within you, every bit of that car and its functioning is assembled and put forward....by a part of You. The car is not carrying you: You are producing the car, the road, and the apparent movemnent. The car and the road are the form that you have chosen in this moment to finish off your gesture of the intent of mobility.

Chippy-You are projecting. Your problems with the 'other world' are your problems. If there is to ever, ever be any hope in you engaging in a meaningful and fulfilling discourse with others, you are are going to have learn some discipline.
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Tonight I recommend the movie SNOW WALKER (new DVD release), a tale of survival in the arctic that beautifully touches some deep sensibilities.
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"I am seeing that these points are like the accupuncture points on the meridians and nadis in the body and subtle body...."

Yes Freyja-In many ways it is beginning to look like our familiar reality is resting upon a kind of wireframe energetic structure...not unlike what the architecture of CG manipulation.
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RANDOM SETH QUOTE 2006 February 13
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"In your terms of time, man has always projected unassimilated psychological elements of his own personality outward, but in much earlier times he did this using a multitudinous variety of images, personifications, gods, goddesses, demons and devils, good spirits and bad."

[Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment: Volume 2]
[Session 921, Page 400]





Many still do.

Christians project Jesus. Muslims project Mohamed. Buddhists project Buddha. Ramsters project Ramtha.

Idolatry.
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The assimilation problem.

This can be well seen these days, the Cartoon Crisis coming out of Denmark for one.

We endeavor to objectify reality and then to integrate with it, and the degree of our success in that is illustrated in the status of our creations, and our world. Something is struggling to come through. It can never come through in its entirety of course, but it can be channeled certainly in much more fulfilling ways than we have generally seen. These idols - Jesus, Mohamed, and so forth - are elementary and fractional attempts at bringing the inner self further into life.

And the stagnancy of this sputtering process that has been seemingly prolonged for much too long is showing itself as disease and discord.
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"A group of selves forms a soul."

[The Nature of Personal Reality]
[Session 637, Page 158]





Acceptance of these leads to greater wholeness. Populations = shards of self. There is nothing wrong with that, but it does the soul little good to rigidly lock onto the separations, the divisions. Our religions have created some difficult polarities: In defining gods, enlightenment and divinity [so-called] they have also created 'evil'.

Take a look at the face of an infant in a public place....such as a supermarket. You will see in the space of a breath a host of expressions flash thru that face. The child is not very solidified yet. You are seeing that 'group of selves' all at once within [and even without] the child's features.

The same is true in everyone, but it takes considerable development - letting go - to yourself witness this face to face with others. But you can, because it is there, and you are such already. Right now you can see it in others out of the corner of your vision - the periphery - if you relax and not clamp down with your physicalized mind [i.e., insist on solidifying a single, solid personage in your companions].
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I recently discovered that by focusing on another persons third eye area and being patient a number of different images (faces) will show up and transpose over the one we see with our TWO eyes.

fascinating to see all of our selves like a movie and our face is the screen.

some people call it past life reading...i see it the way Seth describes in your last post.

seeing all selves in one.
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In your terms of time, man has always projected unassimilated psychological elements of his own personality outward, but in much earlier times he did this using a multitudinous variety of images, personifications, gods, goddesses, demons and devils, good spirits and bad."



VERY interesting and a sure way of discovering what parts we have rejected.

You know, I never thought of it like this...i like it!
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"seeing all selves in one"


Or, a few anyway!
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flower


I would suggest to anyone reading this
thread and who is sincerely interested
in this material that they slow down and
read a bit more carefully - don't skim!
Something a bit different, under the
surface and in other areas, is going on
and beginning to show through here. At
least re-read since the 11th.

Read carefully!
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ok, will do

book
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"An apple can do more in a painting than
represent the spirit of all apples. It
can imply the whole unseen universe,
though not another object is shown in
the painting itself."

[Seth: Session 401: 1968]




I read the above earlier this evening
in Volume 8 of The Early Sessions.
Funny...I'd decided only yesterday to
feature an apple in my own upcoming
painting.


Question: What shape does an apple [link to www.minnesotaschoolofbotanicalart.com]
perfectly illustrate? This is a (or perhaps 'the')
primary shape within matter.

hf

Clue: [link to www.istockphoto.com] or [link to images.deviantart.com]
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C'mon!
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"To you, knowledge in the abstract means little.
There is a MERGING WITH CONCEPTS, however.
This you can understand".


[The Early Sessions: Book 8]
[Page 273; Session 408; 29 Apr 1968]


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02/14/2006 12:48 PM
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Re: ))) Random SETH Ruminations (((
Question: What shape/concept does an apple [link to www.minnesotaschoolofbotanicalart.com]
perfectly illustrate? This is a primary dynamic within matter.

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Clue: [link to images.deviantart.com]
freyja
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02/14/2006 01:00 PM
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nik...i see several things.

i see embryo
i see heart
in the first link with the whole apple slightly tilted I see torus.

I will provide you with a link of apples I painted several years ago...you will like.
Freyja

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02/14/2006 01:05 PM
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[link to img48.imageshack.us]





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