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))) Random SETH Ruminations (((

 
asgardhr  (OP)

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Yes, a torus. Root concept. And quite real. If we can begin to merge with - get inside of - this concept/shape, then we are getting somewhere. The torus is the concept within Aikido - absolutely. It is what Aikido is built upon. The apple reflects the torus purely, but it is at work withing everything. It is not an effect of reality: It is at the causal level. I cannot overstress how important this is!

[link to www.math.psu.edu]

[link to www.llnl.gov]

[link to physics.uoregon.edu]



As I said on the 12th:

"I see the connection between the inner and the outer as the primary concern. I believe the rest will take care of itself when that connection is stable and sturdy. The 'connection' is a clear channel in one respect. It is also a singularity, in that the artificial division between the core self and the manifest self has been relaxed to the point that feeling and perception are united. They are in tandem. You can feel your thoughts and your thoughts can feel. And in that you become acutely aware that you are literally walking the landscape of your own interior mind on earth. That changes things considerably."

"I hold that the TORUS - a rolling donut vortex - is the root shape of everthing....an atom, an apple, aikido, a human, a planet, a universe."
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MERGING WITH CONCEPTS
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[A bare-bones Setharian program]


Our typical difficulty as humans is that we feel we are on the outside-
looking-in when it comes to truth and depth. What we want to do is get
inside of the apple - the core - and be looking out. Seth offered many
‘exercises’ over the years to assist explorations in consciousness. However,
I have found three specific areas that he emphasized over and over. Three
core areas, which I call here STUDY, WALKING, and TWILIGHT.






STUDY-Continuous immersion in the ‘Seth material’ will tremendously assist
in the orientation/alignment process. This is getting inside the concepts,
at least intellectually. The Study will assuredly spill into other aspects of
your life besides the rational realm.

These are the publications I find useful. For newbies I would recommend
Seth Speaks, The Nature of Personal Reality, and Conversations With Seth
first.

[The Seth Material:]
The Early Sessions [9 volumes]
Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul
The Nature of Personal Reality
Adventures In Consciousness: An Introduction to Aspect Psychology
The "Unknown" Reality [2 volumes]
The Nature of the Psyche: It's Human Expression
The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment [2 volumes]
The Magical Approach
The Way Towards Health

[By Jane:]
Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness
The Seth Material
Adventures In Consciousness: An Introduction to Aspect Psychology

[By Sue Watkins:]
Conversations With Seth [2 volumes]





WALKING-Physicalization of the concepts in the most basic form. And not just to your
fridge! Preferably in a natural environment. You walk these concepts. You merge with the environment - with Nature. Remember that the world is not just outside of you: It is inside
of you. You are walking thru your own Mind. Make sure it is a nice place you are
walking thru. And make sure you are inside of your toroidal conceptualization as you
peregrinate.


“You cannot become a spirit. You [already] ARE.”
[Seth: The Early Sessions: 1968]

“You think that you are humans endeavoring to become gods; but you are really gods
endeavoring to move THROUGH the human.”
[Ramtha: 1998 (unpublished)]




TWILIGHT-The betwixt and between realm. People think that sleep is just sleep. They
are hardened to what is actually a very paranormal state. Think about what you have
heard of yogis and such going into trance states, deep meditation. Well, everybody does
exactly the same thing as that every single day. It is not just that you are tired and rest:
You literally enter altered states of consciousness….and other systems, worlds. This is
something that should be taken advantage of - after all, you are already going into trance
each night anyway!

Here is the bottom line of Twilight: You want to take your day-consciousness into your
night-consciousness (waking consciousness into the dream state) and merge the two. This
begins with taking the time to simply lay there and focus for awhile on the suggestion
that you will do exactly that. Come up with your own way of wording that, and change it
from night to night to keep the process fresh and alive.


Good luck!





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Oh, and happy V-Day!


smile_hear
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thank you for all the effort you have put in to making this available to us.

luv
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You are welcome.

hf

But you know, the interest here is all
but evaporated for just about everyone
else. The deeper I go the less they
want to know...most would prefer to
flirt with cliches.

blink
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this is the way if the world...instant gratification and someone do it for me.

not for me and not for you....going deep just seems inherent to who we are.

please continue with what you feel guided to put here.

my copy of the book should be here in the next day or so.
asgardhr  (OP)

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Then I'll add one more item to the
MERGING WITH CONCEPTS outline.

Some are not going to like this suggestion
(because of mass consciousness), while
others will love it. This is about a form
of application that can really get things
moving.

I would suggest mild psychedelics.

No more than one session per month. You
need to allow yourself to integrate
what you experience, as well as
recover psycho-physically.

A little bit of cannabis and one to
two gel caps (per person) of Ecstasy
(MDMA). The latter should not be club
quality, but rather pharmaceutical.
Both of these substances are only mild-
ly psychedelic. I have tried more
serious substances a few times - they
are just too much in my opinion.

Seth has a rather positive outlook on
the use of psychedelics and considers
them a valid window into other dim-
ensions of consciousness. I found a
number of encouraging sessions con-
cerning this in The Early Sessions
(Volume 7, I believe), but then, I already
knew the validity of these accessories.

I would suggest doing this beginning
in early evening somewhere away from
contact with other people and civilized
distractions. Do it alone, with a spouse,
or with a very few close friends who
are of like mind concerning the develop-
ment of consciousness and creativity.
Have at least some access to nature from
where you have your session….some
lawn and trees to go out into in the wee
hours.

Have a light meal and take first pill
in the middle of it. It is vital that you
state your INTENT from the Heart
as you begin this. It sets the pace for
the potentials that will come out of it.

Have a lot of CDs on standby so that
you can experiment with music as the
state progresses. You will most certainly
discover that some of your albums will
really hit the spot with this undertaking.

If you don’t have much or little idea
what to try, then here are a few that
have resonated well with me at different
times over the years. [You can probably
sample them on your computer via
Amazon]:

[ARTIST/Album Title]

B-TRIBE - Sensual Sensual
MIKE OLDFIELD -Voyager
CEREDWEN - O'r Mabinogi

You won’t play music right away…but
rather later as you loosen up.

Be sure to have some small candles
on hand, because at a later point you
are not going to want a lot of light in
your eyes!

Cannabis can be joined sometime after
the first pill and dinner. It is an accelerant
and also helps to settle the belly (which
can have some nausea - this depends
on you and also the quality of your
source…..having some yogurt around
can be helpful too).

You may or may not consider being
ready to take notes and make sketches
[ideas]. You WILL be channeling portions
of yourself that you do not ordinarily
have a whole lot of direct awareness of,
and it can be difficult remembering what
you expressed….it can get quite profound,
even your own words!

Having a fan operating is good for the
white noise, and the air flow: You can
get a bit overheated with this substance.

Later in the night you may want to take
1/2 to one more cap. You'll know when.

It is good to have at least one day off
the day after - no work.

These are the basics, off the top of
my head.
asgardhr  (OP)

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Addendum:

Incense does not appear to be beneficial
at all. Perhaps in the very beginning
of a session: Not later.

Wine or mead can add to it, but watch
how much you consume: It is easy to
get carried away, and even sloppy.

Cigarettes and/or a pipe (tobacco) can
be extremely enjoyable in this state.


Some other albums while we're at it:

ECHOES OF NATURE - Thunderstorm (no music)
LISA GERARD & PIETER BOURKE - Duality
NEIL YOUNG - Harvest
MOODY BLUES (core seven albums)
Anonymous Coward
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i just don't like seth

22 chapters in every book
among other things
he seemed to talk down to whoever
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hi tina
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i did read most of em tho rofl
asgardhr  (OP)

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"i just don't like seth. 22 chapters in
every book, among other things - he seemed
to talk down to whoever"


We are all somewhat wayward children, you
must admit 192. It is not easy to get thru!

And who is talking to who in these books,
really?
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did consider who he was attempting to communicate with
can rationalize that
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asgard, don't judge the reception of your Seth thread by the number of responses. Consider the number of hits.

I think that many people are reading the Seth quotes.... and y'know how it is when you read Seth with a measure of depth and awareness... you become aware of so much more that is going on that you may not be inclined to type a cogent response!
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"asgard, don't judge the reception of your Seth thread by the number of responses. Consider the number of hits. I think that many people are reading the Seth quotes.... and y'know how it is when you read Seth with a measure of depth and awareness... you become aware of so much more that is going on that you may not be inclined to type a cogent response!"


I have been here [off and on] for three
years. I know that it is something other
than that. I have tended to forget it
though.

It is as Freyja and I both intimated
above.

But that's okay. The earth system is
coming to some kind of resolution.

We are not all going the same way.
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alright as
i'll admit i liked him more than i will admit too
weather charging i thought was some very good concepts that i never hear anyone talk about
it has been about thirty years since i read the stuff

vikings lol
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Weather 'charging'.

Something I haven't really mentioned
yet....when you studiously apply all
four of those aspects of CONCEPT
MERGING (and anything else you creat-
ively can come up with), you can have
at times the most dramatic and fascinat-
ing relationship with external [so-called]
effects.

Thunderstorms are my favorite.
asgardhr  (OP)

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SETH QUOTE 2006 February 15
------------------------------
"As an artist, use everything."


[The Early Sessions: Book 8]
[Page 325; Session 418; 24 June 1968]
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You ARE your ‘higher self’.

Seth does not teach as much as he puts things into words that you already know. Most of the Seth Materials explain things you already feel but have not been able to express.

'You get what you concentrate on.' Asg., you're experiencing that now by your intent concentration on the seth materials - all rolling into one cohesive understanding for you.

Of course there are some techniques and insights given, and yet, you knew all this stuff already.

Many are called, few are chosen and fewer still self-select.

I saw ‘nadi’ mentioned. Let me add, the body has 72,000 nadi –

when they align with another body’s 72,000 nadi – ‘energy rivers’ what magic number do we get?

Why would the bible compilers try to confuse everyone on that mumbers meaning?
The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off.
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144,000

abduct abduct
1 + 1 = zero point baby
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"Seth does not teach as much as he puts things into words that you already know. Most of the Seth Materials explain things you already feel but have not been able to express."


This is why I find the Seth material
the most advantageous of all that I
have encountered. There is a consider-
able factor of what amounts to bullying
- subjugation - in other materials. Or
put differently, focusing in other
channels of information becomes a kind
of self-mortification.

I came to the Seth materials sometime
AFTER I had determined my own path. I
have channeled and written enough to
flesh out several of my own Seth-like
books, but the funny thing is that I'd
rather not. It is actually a considerable
relief for me to let someone else [Jane and
Robert] do that instead!
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"1 + 1 = zero point baby"


Aint that the Truth!
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Found someone who can comfort me, but there are always exceptions
And she's good at appearing sane, but I just want you to know
She's the one makes me feel so good when everything is against me
Picks me up when I'm feeling down, so I've got something to show
Staring at empty pages, centered 'round the same plot
Staring at empty pages, flowing along in the ages
Often lost and forgotten, the vagueness and the mud
I've been thinking I'm working too hard, but I've got something to show band




damn.,...what a perfect day for traffic and john barleycorn must die
headbang
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repetetion

When I was back there in seminary school, There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition, That you can petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer, Petition the lord with prayer
You cannot petition the lord with prayer!
rofl

quantum coherent dark matter

2 plancks and compassion

144.7 +- .7

I have proposed already earlier the possibility that Planck constant
is quantized and the spectrum is given in terms of logarithms of Beraha
numbers: the lowest Beraha number B3 is completely exceptional in
that it predicts infinite value of Planck constant. The inverse of the
gravitational Planck constant could correspond a gravitational perturbation
of this as 1/¯hgr = v0/GMm. The general philosophy would
be that when the quantum system would become non-perturbative, a
phase transition increasing the value of ¯h occurs to preserve the perturbative
character and at the transition n = 4 ! 3 only the small
5
perturbative correction to 1/¯h(3) = 0 remains.

This makes perfect sense if one knows about quantum group knot invariants: the factor of 3 in rule B above comes from the fact that the spin-1 representation of SU(2) is 3-dimensional; this representation is really just another way of talking about the vector space spanned by the quaternions i, j, and k. Also, quantum group knot invariants fail to distinguish between overcrossings and undercrossings when h = 0.


P(n) is called the "chromatic polynomial" and has been intensively investigated. One very curious thing is this. Remember the golden mean

G = (sqrt(5) + 1)/2 = 1.61803398874989484820458683437...?

These are

B(1) = 4
B(2) = 0
B(3) = 1
B(4) = 2
B(5) = G + 1
B(6) = 3
B(7) = S

that's another way to look at it

B(n) = 4 cos^2(pi/n).

etc.. Note by the way that B(n) approaces 4 as n approaches infinity. (What's S, you ask? Well, folks call B(7) the "silver root," a term I find most poetic and eagerly want to spread!

ftp://rock.helsinki.fi/pub/misc/matpitka/cbooknew/darkbio.pdf​
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If algorithms could sing!
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[link to math.ucr.edu]
asgardhr  (OP)

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I have a scientist friend who has
paintings that were generated with
sound that look similiar to that.
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knot a scientist
pretty munch fluked out of high school
some thaings just look familar to me
kinda odd

Being, Existence, is by itself, and because it Is. The reason of Being, is Being itself.

We may inquire, "Why does something exist?" that is, "Why does such or such a thing exist?" But we cannot, without being absurd, ask, "Why Is Being?" That would be to suppose Being before Being. If Being had a cause, that cause would necessarily Be; that is, the cause and effect would be identical.
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anyway
keep telling myself i gotta stop doing this stuff cause it really doesn't go anywhere
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192:

((knot a scientist
pretty munch fluked out of high school
some thaings just look familar to me
kinda odd))


kindred spirits yep....i never was able to adapt in the school environment just another brick in the wall afterall...but thrived on my own on the streets learning and listening...making music in my heart and art for the soul.

it is not where we go but the adventure we have along the way....glad you're here making music and poetry for the trip.

i have a project of my own going right now and involved what asg spoke of yesterday with expanding consciousness, music and painting....i am digging on spiritual spiritual a lot more than sensual sensual...makes sense to me that spiritual would be more sensual than sensual sensual....LOL are you following? Check out B tribe you will see/feel/hear.

Asg...you gotta add pink floyd to the list.






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