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HYSTERECTOMY AND WOMEN W/ CFS AND FIBROMYALGIA A DISCUSSION

 
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Have all the kids you want, stop and then in my opinion. (outside of the church) have your man get a vasectomy, It changes nothing about us at all, we just shoot blanks

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I'm not so sure it doesnt affect men. My husband and I decided for him to have a vasectomy back in 1993 after our second child. He has had medical problems ever since.
In 2005 his symptoms became life threatening and he last worked 2007. He has lots of chronic symptoms but the main one is he stopped sweating...He can no longer do anything that a normal person would do without over heating and going into heat stroke. We have been to UAB, Vanderbilt, and Mayo clinc with him.

They removed a tumor and part of one kidney thinking it was affecting the adrenal systems, but that was in 2009 and he is still sick to date. He has memory loss, insomnia deression and lots of fibro like pains.

We are at a loss of what is wrong with him. The best advice I found was from an equine vet who told us a lot on anhidrosis in horses. Humans can be born not sweating but they do not stop sweating in midlife. We took a break from him being a guinea pig and plan to start again looking for answers soon.

I think it was brought on by his vasectomy.

The depression I think is from him not being able to do anything and from not being able to get disability...because you cant get disability for a symptom.
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Since I am also a horse doc i will say that anhidrosis in horse it can be related to the thyroid and disease there. It is also prevalent when horses are brought from very warm climates like FL to Canada or visa versa.

But like I said it seems we cause many health problems when we try and fool mother nature. If you ask me it not worth it and if I had it to do over again I would do it a lot differently.
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www.marshallprotocol.com has the information about this.
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www.marshallprotocol.com has the information about this.
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I had a total hysterectomy at 26. Never felt better in my life and never had an problems at all.

I use topical natural progesterone and take no medications. No hot flashes or mood swings. No depression. Now and then I have some anxiety, but it's from outside crap.

I am not overweight and look much younger than my age of 57.

Sorry many of you are having so many problems and I hope you can work it out. I try to eat organic and eat very very little meat if at all. Everything I get is bought from my local farmer and growers. I take Tumeric and Olive Leaf daily along with vitamin d3 and a few others. Maybe that is helping me stay healthy and young. I really do not know. I hate gyms because they are disease traps, so only get exercise at home. I am not a exercise fanatic either and stay slim.

Good luck to everyone.
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I am going to try the topical natural progesterone. It sounds like a good idea and I believe that has androgenic effects on the body and is used by the adrenals to help make other hormones. I also believe diet, spirituality and stress play major roles also.
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My GYN who also practices natural medicine put me on it and loved it ever since....
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Her are links I found.

Fibromyalgia Tied to Hysterectomy, Early Menopause

[link to chronicfatigue.about.com]

[link to www.wdxcyber.com]

Gynecological Concerns in Women with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

[link to www.cfids.org]
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I know LOTS of people with fibromyalgia that did NOT have hysterectomes. CFS is a virus. Fibromyalgia is too much phoshphate in the diet. It is the leading cause of the stiff muscles, and osteo arthritis, the phosphate and its in so many foods now. I was shocked.
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I had a total hysterectomy at 26. Never felt better in my life and never had an problems at all.

I use topical natural progesterone and take no medications. No hot flashes or mood swings. No depression. Now and then I have some anxiety, but it's from outside crap.

I am not overweight and look much younger than my age of 57.

Sorry many of you are having so many problems and I hope you can work it out. I try to eat organic and eat very very little meat if at all. Everything I get is bought from my local farmer and growers. I take Tumeric and Olive Leaf daily along with vitamin d3 and a few others. Maybe that is helping me stay healthy and young. I really do not know. I hate gyms because they are disease traps, so only get exercise at home. I am not a exercise fanatic either and stay slim.

Good luck to everyone.
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I am going to try the topical natural progesterone. It sounds like a good idea and I believe that has androgenic effects on the body and is used by the adrenals to help make other hormones. I also believe diet, spirituality and stress play major roles also.
 Quoting: grefey


My GYN who also practices natural medicine put me on it and loved it ever since....
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Here is my GYN..you can read some testimonials here and also check out her other great info...she is truly a natural life saver....many love her...
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duh forgot to post the site...lol

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I had a total hysterectomy at 26. Never felt better in my life and never had an problems at all.

I use topical natural progesterone and take no medications. No hot flashes or mood swings. No depression. Now and then I have some anxiety, but it's from outside crap.

I am not overweight and look much younger than my age of 57.

Sorry many of you are having so many problems and I hope you can work it out. I try to eat organic and eat very very little meat if at all. Everything I get is bought from my local farmer and growers. I take Tumeric and Olive Leaf daily along with vitamin d3 and a few others. Maybe that is helping me stay healthy and young. I really do not know. I hate gyms because they are disease traps, so only get exercise at home. I am not a exercise fanatic either and stay slim.

Good luck to everyone.
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I am going to try the topical natural progesterone. It sounds like a good idea and I believe that has androgenic effects on the body and is used by the adrenals to help make other hormones. I also believe diet, spirituality and stress play major roles also.
 Quoting: grefey


My GYN who also practices natural medicine put me on it and loved it ever since....
 Quoting: eaglewolf


It did nothing for me. I also used it to calm by ovaries and finally gave up and got them out. the hyper-estrogenism was heavy in my body, always had to deal with chronic cystic ovaries, which when the cysts ruptured produced adesions in my gut. I have them lysed several times before I got rid of the ovaries. I take a small dose of ESTRACE, not the horse estrogen shit Which gave me terrible premenstral syndrome even at 1/2 of the smallest dose every other day. I dropped it, never went thru hot flashes but did develop osteoporosis. I went on estrace and my bones remineralized beautifully.

If I have taken a bit more estrace than I need, I get a little PMS and sore boobs, so I just skip a day or so. I have had the PHOSPHATE caused fibromyaliga way too long, can't get all of the shit out of my body.
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Transdermal Progesterone Cream as an Alternative Progestin in Hormone Therapy

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Let me clarify above, when I still had my ovaries, I was taking progesterone by pills, not topical. but I used topical for 6 months to no benefit so I stopped it a number of years ago.
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I had a total hysterectomy at 26. Never felt better in my life and never had an problems at all.

I use topical natural progesterone and take no medications. No hot flashes or mood swings. No depression. Now and then I have some anxiety, but it's from outside crap.

I am not overweight and look much younger than my age of 57.

Sorry many of you are having so many problems and I hope you can work it out. I try to eat organic and eat very very little meat if at all. Everything I get is bought from my local farmer and growers. I take Tumeric and Olive Leaf daily along with vitamin d3 and a few others. Maybe that is helping me stay healthy and young. I really do not know. I hate gyms because they are disease traps, so only get exercise at home. I am not a exercise fanatic either and stay slim.

Good luck to everyone.
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I am going to try the topical natural progesterone. It sounds like a good idea and I believe that has androgenic effects on the body and is used by the adrenals to help make other hormones. I also believe diet, spirituality and stress play major roles also.
 Quoting: grefey


My GYN who also practices natural medicine put me on it and loved it ever since....
 Quoting: eaglewolf


It did nothing for me. I also used it to calm by ovaries and finally gave up and got them out. the hyper-estrogenism was heavy in my body, always had to deal with chronic cystic ovaries, which when the cysts ruptured produced adesions in my gut. I have them lysed several times before I got rid of the ovaries. I take a small dose of ESTRACE, not the horse estrogen shit Which gave me terrible premenstral syndrome even at 1/2 of the smallest dose every other day. I dropped it, never went thru hot flashes but did develop osteoporosis. I went on estrace and my bones remineralized beautifully.

If I have taken a bit more estrace than I need, I get a little PMS and sore boobs, so I just skip a day or so. I have had the PHOSPHATE caused fibromyaliga way too long, can't get all of the shit out of my body.
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That is partly why I had at total at 26 from cysts. Had one the size of an orange that burst. That hurt like hell!! It was the best decision I made. Back then it was pretty much unheard of at that age and I had to sign papers saying I would not sue the doctor and some other papers, been so long can't remember..but I begged the doc to give me one and convinced him I wanted no kids. I was in and out of the hospital all the time and after the hysterectomy, it all stopped.
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Too strange...
I had a full hysto in 1998 as well and developed CFS/Fibro/ MCS, an allergy to the sun, shingles( recurring and full body) shortly after the surgery. It really screwed up my life for a while. I researched every thing I could for year seeking a cause. I came to a conclusion that it all developed from uncontrolled pain post-op. the doctor had neglected to leave a script for pain meds and the nurses wouldn't give me any. I was in full on pain for about two hours, screaming and almosted jumped out the window of the hospital. I read a lot about people developing Fibro after extreme bouts with pain, something about the brain and misfiring neurons. I've had shingles 8 times since that surgery. Probably not related but I developed aggressive type three breast cancer two years ago and because of my prior health history was not a candidate for any treatments other than a double mastectomy.

I feel your pain OP. BTW, I enjoy your posts on many of the threadshf
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Just to add...I never took any type of birth control, have two children and never took any hormone replacements after the full hysto even though it sent me into full fledged nightmare mentapause for 6 years.

I have to avoid stress like the plague in my life or all the symptoms and shingles kick in. I even left my stressful marriage to pretty much save my life. I was on many meds for the first ten years to deal with the symptoms and have found now that I feel better not taking any of them but lots of supplements and I make Kombucha tea.
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OP,

I'm so sorry for your trials.

I'm a guy and an aircraft mechanic, nothing to do with the medical profession except I was at one time on the road to becoming a psychologist.

The reason I mention being a guy and an aircraft mechanic is that my idea of treating a problem is to pound it into the ground, HARD! I don't believe in taking half a dose and seeing if it works, I believe in taking twice a dose and seeing if it works!

For starters I would kill every bug in my body and that includes virii.

Heavy doses of MMS will do that and thats no bull, we are talking about serious heavy chlorine dioxide; real chemical. Coloidal silver I have less faith in. Just google it.

I've done it too, I lost 10 pounds that stayed off. Thats how many microbes live in our bodies. That Clorine treatment is tough though, i was very sick to my stomach many times but saw it through, I was sweating chlorine and smelled like a swimming pool.

I've been super healthy ever since though I needed yogurt which I cant stand to get my intestinal bugs going again.

Best Wishes
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Her are links I found.

Fibromyalgia Tied to Hysterectomy, Early Menopause

[link to chronicfatigue.about.com]

[link to www.wdxcyber.com]

Gynecological Concerns in Women with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

[link to www.cfids.org]
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I know LOTS of people with fibromyalgia that did NOT have hysterectomes. CFS is a virus. Fibromyalgia is too much phoshphate in the diet. It is the leading cause of the stiff muscles, and osteo arthritis, the phosphate and its in so many foods now. I was shocked.
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I believe they are one in the same disease. I too believe it is a virus. But that stress can bring it out or make it worse. I got a lot worse after my hysterectomy. I believe one should keep their parts if they are able, especially their ovaries.

I am going to try the natural progesterone and COLLOIDAL SILVER orally. There is not a lot written about its antibacterial, antiviral properties and there is most likely a reason for it, like may be it works. Had a friend who took it for an entire year and says he is healed.

Like I said it is most likely some type of herpes virus. That is why I thought of shingles because when I get run down my back starts to burn really bad but I never get a rash. Now because of all the stress of normal(abnormal) life people are all getting shingles.
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OP,

I'm so sorry for your trials.

I'm a guy and an aircraft mechanic, nothing to do with the medical profession except I was at one time on the road to becoming a psychologist.

The reason I mention being a guy and an aircraft mechanic is that my idea of treating a problem is to pound it into the ground, HARD! I don't believe in taking half a dose and seeing if it works, I believe in taking twice a dose and seeing if it works!

For starters I would kill every bug in my body and that includes virii.

Heavy doses of MMS will do that and thats no bull, we are talking about serious heavy chlorine dioxide; real chemical. Coloidal silver I have less faith in. Just google it.

I've done it too, I lost 10 pounds that stayed off. Thats how many microbes live in our bodies. That Clorine treatment is tough though, i was very sick to my stomach many times but saw it through, I was sweating chlorine and smelled like a swimming pool.

I've been super healthy ever since though I needed yogurt which I cant stand to get my intestinal bugs going again.

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


I tried the MMS as I have just about tried everything. It made me sick so I stopped. Yeah, I am sure with all the sugar we consume and our processed food we are filled with pathogens. I have a friend who tried the colloidal silver and he said it worked. He took it for an entire year with tetracycline. I am just going to try the colloidal silver and stay on it for a while. He said he talked to a horse nutritionist PHD who had done research on colloidal silver and she said the stuff is great but they don't want you spreading the word. I can not find much published research on it. But the funny thing is Alex Putney is a guy into healing waters. He is in Ecuador and says that a lot of these healing springs have colloidal silver and gold particles in the water.

Colloidal silver will not harm you so I am going to give it a try. Thanks for your comments.

I also think diet is very important as I went to Hippocrates in FL a Raw vegan diet that alkalizes your blood. I thought it was very beneficial. I stayed for 3 weeks and when I left I had so much mental clarity it was scary. I do eat a lot healthier these days.

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Something to think about:

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This is very interesting as I do believe my cfs is due to a virus. One I have had all along but never bothered me until I was really stressed. The fact that many people now that they are older are getting SHINGLES from the fact that they had CHICKENPOX is very interesting. Apparently, once you get the HERPES virus that causes CHICKENPOX it never goes away. It is always in your body. Then when you get older or are just stressed it can manifest in SHINGLES or perhaps other things like CHF.

When I was about 30 yo I got so sick suddenly with some type of virus, just like I felt with the most severe times of my CFS. I went to bed for a month and every time I would get out of bed I would have to go back. After 1 month it went away as fast as it came. But afterwards I noticed that when I would get stressed I would get a sore throat and feel like I had the flu. I would back off for a few days and feel better. So I believe I had the CFS virus all along but stress and the hysterectomy really did me in.
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I'm taking a friend of mine to this doctor tomorrow. He did surgery on her stomach three weeks ago. Everyone who goes and sees him have been very pleased with service. I hope the FDA does approve his research because there are many people who are afflicted with CFS/fibromyalgia, migranes, IDS, etc. My friend is getting better but her problems will take a while to get a handle.

Hope that helps :)
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Premature ovarian failure at 27, CFS, Fibro, and hypothyroidism... after having and nursing my third son I needed dental work, my fillings (silver mercury ones) started cracking, calcium reserves sucked dry i suppose. I link all of my problems to that time which is also the one and only time I got a flu shot.

Mercury fillings removed. I am interested in this virus theory since I just ordered glaviola tea. Also, I do take iodine. Since taking the iodine I don't take any synthroid. Haven't seen a doctor in 6 years... since he wanted me on prozac and didn't believe my normal thyroid numbers were without synthroid, he can kiss my ass. Oh, yeah... I insisted on a metal test... he wouldn't give me the results.
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Premature ovarian failure at 27, CFS, Fibro, and hypothyroidism... after having and nursing my third son I needed dental work, my fillings (silver mercury ones) started cracking, calcium reserves sucked dry i suppose. I link all of my problems to that time which is also the one and only time I got a flu shot.

Mercury fillings removed. I am interested in this virus theory since I just ordered glaviola tea. Also, I do take iodine. Since taking the iodine I don't take any synthroid. Haven't seen a doctor in 6 years... since he wanted me on prozac and didn't believe my normal thyroid numbers were without synthroid, he can kiss my ass. Oh, yeah... I insisted on a metal test... he wouldn't give me the results.
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I also went the route of taking Iodine. I read some stuff about Iodine deficiency that made sense to me and I ordered the pills. I could taste the Iodine in my mouth so i figured I was getting too much of it so I stopped. I can tell you that all of this hypothyroid stuff is not real. These tests can be effected by certain drugs one is taking that bind with proteins that carry the thyroid hormone in your blood stream.

In fact a vast amount of diagnostic tests are unreliable. You were smart. Do not take the word of any doctor as gospel. In this day and age you must be an educated health advocate for yourself and you family.

Allopathic medicine and it's mistakes which are called IATROGENIC meaning being caused by medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S. They are caused by misdiagnosis, infections from treatments in hospitals, drug reactions, over-medication, etc.





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