Barter is the Future!

If you cannot locate rose hips, pine needle tea provides vitamin C too. Just be certain, whether rose hips or pine needle, to steep in warm not boiling water. Very hot water will destroy much of the vitamin C.

you mean pollen from the top Jane?

Yes, the brown top; I guess that is pollen, it is the flower part of the cattail. When you pull it apart, it has all the little white fibers inside -- we used to spread them to the wind as children -- they are edible.

i have always heard that too much heat destroyed vit c but never realy believed it and do not know for sure but i have always boile my pine needle tea and normally also boil my rose hips although i like em raw as well

you need to harvest it before it goes brown try shaking it into your hand it shoul yield lots of yellow pollen

by the time it turns fully brown its only good as a firestarter or insulator.

Look on canned goods of something usually high in Vit C, like mandarin oranges. You will see negligible amounts of C in the canned oranges, that is because the heat from canning destroys it.

That is a good point. I did not think about that.

Bump for Barter

Just a general decline nothing fast.

Most don't even see it coming that's the point.

Just make money now and transfer some of your savings cash into tangible goods with inherent value. As in tools, medicine, food, water, precious metals, ammo, seeds etc.

when they switch over to a digital currency, I would think we'll have to barter for whatever the neighbor is selling. got silver?

even better would be a 'gift economy' where people just give away the things they make or obtain or dont need.

if everyone just gave stuff away, then no one would NEED to buy anything.

the system would require on people being mature, and not greedy or selfish. but it's possible.

it can apply to whole countries; whole planets even...

see how it works is - i have an orange orchard. i get way more oranges than i need or can use.

so the surplus oranges i can just give away by advertising them to any who want some.

If everyone acts this way, then one day when i need to buy some lettuces, i just look for an add by someone who has too many lettuces and wants to give some away, and i go and pick up what i need...


or someone mite be an artist - and might want to give away their surplus paintings...

someone might be a hairdresser and mite want to do peoples' hair....


someone mite be a mechanic and want to fix peoples' cars...


etc... if everyone gives away their goods/services to others that they dont need...then when you want or need something you jsut look for someone advertising stuff to give away and go and pick it up.

so long as everyone does the same, the system should work...

so long as people aren't greedy and consider the needs of others.... so e.g. if you dont NEED 20 lettuces, you only need 5, then only TAKE 5 and leave the other 15 for those who need them to pick up....

its that simple.

people have limited needs. no one can possibly NEED all that the earth can produce...she produces far too much....so with our limited needs, the system can work.

even with luxury items. i mean how many mercedes can any single person REALLY want or need? there comes a limit where the person will think enough, i really dont need that last mercedes, i'm sick of them, i want something else...

if everything's free, you're only gonna take what you want or what you need, and really, some people mightn't even want a mercedes, they'll probably want some other kind of car or motorbike, cuz everyone is different.

one man's trash is another man's treasure.

:)

ah this is a post apocalypse thread...


well, my gift economy is really what people should aim for once we're all up and running again and communities start to rebuild and produce surplus etc...

From page 44:
Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 44)

Charles Eisenstein is writing things like this (gift economy) and this is a central thesis of his book SACRED ECONOMICS.

There are several mentions and critiques of this book in the thread: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments probably on pages after September of this year (2012)

However, these writings and your perceptions are incorrect and are based on a faulty view of human psychology.

Historically, the gift economies always failed when a better system of exchange arrived on the scene.

Investigate "cargo cult" as it is related and also a faulty system of exchange.

A money system of lower extractive cost than the fed reserve (same for Australia) while of equal or better reliability will replace this present system.

QUOTE FROM ABOVE

Well, how about the Governor of the Bank of England?

“There is no reason products and services could not be swapped directly by consumers and producers through a system of direct exchange – essentially a massive barter economy. All it requires is some commonly used unit of account and adequate computing power to make sure all transactions could be settled immediately. People would pay each other electronically, without the payment being routed through anything that we would currently recognize as a bank. Central banks in their present form would no longer exist – nor would money.”

– Mervyn King – Governor of the Bank of England

Read closely; "All it requires is some commonly used unit of account..."

That commonly used unit of account is generally referred to as "money."

The trick is to make money reliable and of low extractive cost.

The rest of that writing "People would pay each other <SNIP> ... without the payment being routed through anything that we would currently recognize as a bank."

I snipped a single word "electronically" just to keep your options open. What Mervyn King is writing about is decentralized settlement of accounts. The real clue here is what Greco has been writing about: IE DECENTRALIZED MUTUAL CREDIT IS A MORE EFFICIENT AND ROBUST SYSTEM OF EXCHANGE THAN THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF HIERARCHIC CLEARING

Search for "cargo system" rather than cargo cult.

Here is a valid hit:
[link to www.jstor.org]

There is also a power point presentation if I can discover the link.

Here is a search string that will kick out some useful answers:

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

The core concept you need to wrap your mind around is about the limitations of human memory. Anthropologists know that the size of human tribes seldom exceeded 250 members. At that point or sooner the tribe would spontaneously bifurcate. They believe it has to do with the limitations of ability to retain memory of faces and relationships.

This is related to gifting societies... people never truly "gift" anything. They are always expecting some reciprocity in one form or another.

Now do your search for Narayana Kocherlakota who wrote a piece where he shows that "Money is social memory" and the point is that a trustworthy form of money was a better form of social memory than the human mind could supply.

Important concept.

Copper is good for bartering as well since it is still really affordable.

[link to www.wholesalecoinandmore.com]

Learn how to catch nightcrawlers after a good rain. Eat 'em with hot sauce.

Will any kind of pine needle do?