For all the christian bashers out there, you said "Prove God Exist" well, here you go !

I'm not saying I do or don't believe in God, but there's just one question that atheists ask to stump theists...

If God exists, who made God?

Or maybe our minds can't wrap around a concept of something having forever existed...something ineffible.

It's the eternal question.

proof is a standard of potency used by makers of alcohol and adapted by the manipulative to fool the lesser minded into conceding to their absolute values.


beyond a reasonable doubt is used in law.

repeatable by anyone is used in science.


neither of these two standards can be fullfilled by christians attempting to demonstrate their god exists, despite two thousand years of virrtually continuous desperate failed attempts.

conversely the only standard where the christian god exists exists only in the minds of some who claim to be christian.

Science has proven all things have a point of creation.

Sorry, the moment I read "quantum experiments" in the video description I wrote it off as woo. Cause anybody who uses that term is a woomeister.

But "science" is a man-made construct.

Re: Jug of milk
my relationship with God is a personal & spiritual one.
you seem to have him confused with santa claus(e)

No, they confused their brain with their ass.

my proof is this.


The 1st law of physics states,"Matter cannot be created or destroyed, only change forms."


well what exactly are we made of?

Matter.

So at somepoint sometime matter was created, proof of some sort of creation event.

End of story.

Some of you are confused by applying this dimension only to the whole...

If god doesn't exsist, why do we exsist?

Funny.

1. You make up a set of criteria that God would have.

2. You define what each of the criteria are.

3. Decide that anything meets those criteria must be God.

4. Then you distort some element of physics to prove that each criteria is met.


Your faith is strong bother, ride tall in the saddle of God's fine stead, ride tall.

Human understanding is finite, God is infinite. There's no way we will be able to comprehend all that God is...sorry to burst the self professed geniuses bubbles here, but there is a God and your not Him

How do you know there is a God?

Would you worship the same God if you were born Hindi?

the beginning argument :

space - the atmosphere planets exist in. Meaning both space as in outer space but also space as in a place of holding.

what created space?

The limited man made science cannot find it's beginning nor it's end - yet they all agree - it exists.

So why then do Atheists who bow to the bible of science even jest the impossibility of a God which has no beginning and no end when they can't even fathom the very container of science sitting in a place that has no beginning and no end.

If you find one thing that parallels another, even without explanation - it would be true to conclude it exists.

Not sure any scientist is saying that it is impossible for God to exist.

They just say it is unnecessary for God to exist.

Well God being unfathomable is nice and all. But the problem is that the Bible relates God very specifically to humans. You know, in his image. Now you'll probably say that doesn't mean physically, and thats exactly where the problem is. God, as presented in the Bible, acts in no way like a rational loving human would. Infact the way that God treats us is more in line with how you would describe "sin".

Who created God? Well then who created that God? The question never ends it goes back and back with Gods creating Gods... The question is inifinite itself...So since the universe is not infinite..it expands... Rewind and it has a starting point....something is... There is either an infinite source/intelligent Being behind the starting point or nothing... No other alternative. The I AM...

How do you know you love another person?

How do you know there is not a God, or gods for that matter?
You don't...

If you REALLY want to know Truth, you have to search for it. That means read about many cultures religions, gods, doctrines etc and decide for yourself. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, I've done my own research, and come to my own conclusion. I think this quote describes my journey very well

"To stay an atheist, I would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Those leaps of faith were simply too big for me to take, especially in light of the affirmative case for God's existence and Jesus' resurrection (and, hence, his divinity). In other words, in my assessment the Christian worldview accounted for the totality of the evidence much better than the atheistic worldview."

I'm sure anyone born into Hinduism would be raised in the culture and tradition of Hindi's, but I wasn't

Ive also thought this too how can a perfect all knowing being poof out of no where before their is nothing.

Anything arising from human thought is finite, therefore ALL of your questions and thoughts are finite. Nothing humans think, say, or do is infinite.

Yes, the prime mover problem. Well, I believe the universe (or whatever preceded it) always existed, you believe God always existed. I'll go with Occam's razor on that one.

If there was definitive proof, then there would be no choice....I mean you could be OBVIOUSLY rebelling from God, but we are anyways. Not having a choice is alot like being enslaved. God created everything, including the ability to choose.

It would be reminiscent of the kids in the hall movie "Brain Candy" everyone walking around like automatons with no personality, carbon copies of people who all believe God because there is absolute proof.

I don't.

Bring on some evidence, and I'll check it out.

You are well equipped to make your own choice, and you can try to make no assumptions in life...good luck! Theres really too much at stake to gamble on this one....Christianity's either all true or all bullshit. The dilema is, if you follow Jesus and you get to the end of life and its all BS, then what? You lived a life serving the poor, hungry, helpless people of the world, being humble to the life of Jesus.

If you live apart from God and get to life and it turns out to be real,
eternity in a lake of fire?

I'll walk with Jesus and I'll happily stay out of your way as you follow William

Cheers

Study the shroud of Tourin, the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, book of Mormon, Watchtower, Hindi texts, etc etc etc

'god' or a 'higher power' may be real...more then likely i think it is.

but Christianity is certainly not the only way to being spiritually fulfilled.

word to the wise, you don't need church or jesus or allah or buddha or blah blah to be spiritual.

people form all different spiritual belief systems have genuine spiritual experiences.

if you think you're religion is the 'one true one' then i think you are ignorant & naive.

It would be a long road to get me to believe there IS a God. It would be a far longer road to choose which religion worships the right God. And then I would have to figure out which church has the correct interpretation of the ancient texts.

Hope you picked the right one. Oh yeah, you were lucky enough to be born into the correct church. Lucky you!

You state that the first law of physics says matter CANNOT be created. Then you say that at some point, matter was created. So which is it?