Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 2,352 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 437,100
Pageviews Today: 1,348,240Threads Today: 793Posts Today: 15,659
06:16 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?

 
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 11:38 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
To carve or fashion an idol of wood or stone (as Catholics do) is to create a demonic magnet for unclean spirits.

God did this because he is a jealous God for the worship of his children Israel and to protect them from unclean spirits.

Many of those who valued the word of God left the Catholic mother (were pushed out in the birthing of the reformation church or excommunicated if you will....)

Catholics have a different Bible than the King James.

This truth of the second commandment has been stripped out of their bible. I learned that as a Freshman at a Catholic college.
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


Wrong. Either you believe the WHOLE Bible, or you teach false doctrine. Moses said it meant FALSE IDOLS. False idol, interpreted literally, is a phrase meaning a cult image or object considered idolatrous. Moses considered the golden calf a false idol upon his return with the tablets of stone, as described in Exodus chapter 32.
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 11:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Do those who insist that it only means false idols really think the Israelites could have made a "true" one and bowed down to it?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25666515
Slovakia
10/19/2012 11:50 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
... the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth. John 4:21
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 11:53 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Do those who insist that it only means false idols really think the Israelites could have made a "true" one and bowed down to it?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No, because the iconography had not been established yet.
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 11:55 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Do those who insist that it only means false idols really think the Israelites could have made a "true" one and bowed down to it?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No, because the iconography had not been established yet.
 Quoting: peppersgc


There was never any iconography given after that either. And I don't see the word "false" there; in fact, it defines "idol" right there in the commandment by explicitly listing "any" graven image.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25855146
United States
10/19/2012 11:56 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Dear fellow brothers in Christ I am curious to know how do you interpret the second commandment :
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Please reply in a civilized and Godly manner and do not let difference in opinion divide us.
 Quoting: TheWiseOne


I wish the fuck that GLP would open a sub-forum for you religious whackos.


Here's a clue about the 2nd commandment. If it doesn't sound like a super intelligent, supreme being said it, HE probably didn't.
If it sounds petty or crazy, it was probably some tribal guy writing stupid stuff to gain control over the sheeple.

Do you really think that GOD cares about you making pictures or images of things. HE doesn't give a shit.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25672410
United States
10/19/2012 11:58 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Thats why catholics have all these ikons. They don't give a damn about scripture.
 Quoting: Face Palmer


Wait a minute. If you knew anything about ICONS, they are purposely painted in a way that the image does not look like a person. The body is usually long and thin, the eyes are painted to look not real so that you Are not worshipping an image but you are reminded of the Lord, saints or angels it represents. Catholic churches with icons are the Eastern and very traditional rite and do not have ANY statues.

In contrast to Presbyterian and ProtestNt churches where they are even taking down their crosses so as not to offend the mighty Obama.
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 11:58 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
I wish the fuck that GLP would open a sub-forum for you religious whackos.


Here's a clue about the 2nd commandment. If it doesn't sound like a super intelligent, supreme being said it, HE probably didn't.
If it sounds petty or crazy, it was probably some tribal guy writing stupid stuff to gain control over the sheeple.

Do you really think that GOD cares about you making pictures or images of things. HE doesn't give a shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25855146


How about you make a request that GLP censor anyone who offends your delicate sensibilities then? And pray tell, how do YOU know what God cares about?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 12:05 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Do those who insist that it only means false idols really think the Israelites could have made a "true" one and bowed down to it?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No, because the iconography had not been established yet.
 Quoting: peppersgc


There was never any iconography given after that either. And I don't see the word "false" there; in fact, it defines "idol" right there in the commandment by explicitly listing "any" graven image.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Where does it say "any"?

'You must not make images for yourselves of anything in the skies above, on the earth below, or of things that live in the water under the earth. 5 You must not bow before them or serve them, for I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, and I bring the sins of the ancestors upon the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those who hate Me. 6 But I am merciful to the thousands who love Me and keep My Commandments.'

Last Edited by peppersgc on 10/19/2012 12:09 PM
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 12:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Do those who insist that it only means false idols really think the Israelites could have made a "true" one and bowed down to it?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


No, because the iconography had not been established yet.
 Quoting: peppersgc


There was never any iconography given after that either. And I don't see the word "false" there; in fact, it defines "idol" right there in the commandment by explicitly listing "any" graven image.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Where does it say "any"?
 Quoting: peppersgc


Exodus 20:4-6. Even wikipedia's entry has it: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
Guarnere09

User ID: 25834528
United States
10/19/2012 12:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Clearly means no statues or anything. Dont bow down to them, dont say prayers to them.


Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them


Matthew 5:17-20 (NASB)

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

We are not judged by it, cause we would never make it thats why Jesus came.

Acts 17:24-25 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:16-17 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Hard for a Church to keep you tied down, and take your money when you know these things. Church is to fellowship. Today its part of the Gov, so they can be taxed exempt thats why they want you to be a member.
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 12:15 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
...


No, because the iconography had not been established yet.
 Quoting: peppersgc


There was never any iconography given after that either. And I don't see the word "false" there; in fact, it defines "idol" right there in the commandment by explicitly listing "any" graven image.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Where does it say "any"?
 Quoting: peppersgc


Exodus 20:4-6. Even wikipedia's entry has it: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


The Greek word for "any" is not in the beginning of that sentence in even the oldest known texts. Mistranslations are the bane of Christianity.

'You must not make images for yourselves of anything in the skies above, on the earth below, or of things that live in the water under the earth. 5 You must not bow before them or serve them, for I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, and I bring the sins of the ancestors upon the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those who hate Me. 6 But I am merciful to the thousands who love Me and keep My Commandments.'

(Literal, word for word, translation)

Last Edited by peppersgc on 10/19/2012 12:20 PM
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 12:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?

The Greek word for "any" is not in the beginning of that sentence in even the oldest known texts. Mistranslations are the bane of Christianity.

'You must not make images for yourselves of anything in the skies above, on the earth below, or of things that live in the water under the earth. 5 You must not bow before them or serve them, for I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, and I bring the sins of the ancestors upon the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those who hate Me. 6 But I am merciful to the thousands who love Me and keep My Commandments.'

(Literal, word for word, translation)
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Greek? You must be referring to the LXX. At any rate, the commandment leaves no doubt as to what an idol is. By focusing on the presence or absence of "any", it seems that you want to allow "good" idols, but I see no opening for such a thing.

And remember that the commandments are for Israel, not Christianity. Of course it goes without saying that no Christian would have an idol anyway, because we are "betrothed" and must remain faithful.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 12:26 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?

The Greek word for "any" is not in the beginning of that sentence in even the oldest known texts. Mistranslations are the bane of Christianity.

'You must not make images for yourselves of anything in the skies above, on the earth below, or of things that live in the water under the earth. 5 You must not bow before them or serve them, for I Jehovah your God am a jealous God, and I bring the sins of the ancestors upon the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those who hate Me. 6 But I am merciful to the thousands who love Me and keep My Commandments.'

(Literal, word for word, translation)
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Greek? You must be referring to the LXX. At any rate, the commandment leaves no doubt as to what an idol is. By focusing on the presence or absence of "any", it seems that you want to allow "good" idols, but I see no opening for such a thing.

And remember that the commandments are for Israel, not Christianity. Of course it goes without saying that no Christian would have an idol anyway, because we are "betrothed" and must remain faithful.
 Quoting: peppersgc


Agreed. What I'm making a distinction between is "idols" and "icons". One does not bow before a crucifix that they hang around their neck. It is an icon of their faith.

Last Edited by peppersgc on 10/19/2012 12:29 PM
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
reptilicus
User ID: 25898907
United States
10/19/2012 12:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
It means that although our mind gives a name to all things for communication purposes, we are to see God alone in, and as all things in the earth, the heavens, and the fullness there of. God manifests as all things seen, heard, smelled, tasted, and touched, but not any one thing should be held up before you as God and worshiped.
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 12:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Agreed. What I'm making a distinction between is "idols" and "icons".
 Quoting: peppersgc


Okay. Agree, an icon is not an idol unless someone worships it. That wiki article does a surprisingly good job of hitting the main views on all this, though icons aren't really discussed.

I think the whole issue is whether Christians can have images of any kind that people "venerate". I see little difference between the veneration of an image and the worship of it, personally. That is, bowing to an image, whether out of "respect" or something else, is an act which at best pushes the boundary between giving all glory to God and sharing His glory with something else. This is at the heart of the NT's teachings about other "idols" such as money.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25023241
United States
10/19/2012 12:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
GOD is a spirit. There is nothing on earth that resembles Him. No image would look like him. he does not want you to make images and worship them.

Kind of like the guy cutting down a tree. He uses part of it to cook his food, part of it to keep warm, other parts for other functions. Then uses the left-overs to carve an image and then bows down to it says.. "save me". You are my god.

Kind of foolish if you ask me.
TheWiseOne  (OP)

User ID: 25863174
Bahamas
10/19/2012 12:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
GOD is a spirit. There is nothing on earth that resembles Him. No image would look like him. he does not want you to make images and worship them.

Kind of like the guy cutting down a tree. He uses part of it to cook his food, part of it to keep warm, other parts for other functions. Then uses the left-overs to carve an image and then bows down to it says.. "save me". You are my god.

Kind of foolish if you ask me.
 Quoting: NightWisp


clappa
There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
Kirk

User ID: 25384388
United States
10/19/2012 12:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Dear fellow brothers in Christ I am curious to know how do you interpret the second commandment :
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Please reply in a civilized and Godly manner and do not let difference in opinion divide us.
 Quoting: TheWiseOne


If we are with Christ, we are no longer beholden to the 10 Commandments. If you think otherwise how do you handle the sabbath day?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23943453


So I can now go kill people? What kind of logic is this?
 Quoting: Face Palmer


some folks need killen.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 12:49 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Okay. Agree, an icon is not an idol unless someone worships it. That wiki article does a surprisingly good job of hitting the main views on all this, though icons aren't really discussed.

I think the whole issue is whether Christians can have images of any kind that people "venerate". I see little difference between the veneration of an image and the worship of it, personally. That is, bowing to an image, whether out of "respect" or something else, is an act which at best pushes the boundary between giving all glory to God and sharing His glory with something else. This is at the heart of the NT's teachings about other "idols" such as money.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Well stated. I think veneration was created as a loop hole to get around "Do not worship". Its a dangerous and slippery slope. This is why I say "hung around the neck". No veneration and no worship as both ask for a bow or bent knee, supplication, reverence, or penitence. An icon, a symbol if you will, of your faith, and letting others know of it, is neither.
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25855146
United States
10/19/2012 12:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
I wish the fuck that GLP would open a sub-forum for you religious whackos.


Here's a clue about the 2nd commandment. If it doesn't sound like a super intelligent, supreme being said it, HE probably didn't.
If it sounds petty or crazy, it was probably some tribal guy writing stupid stuff to gain control over the sheeple.

Do you really think that GOD cares about you making pictures or images of things. HE doesn't give a shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25855146


How about you make a request that GLP censor anyone who offends your delicate sensibilities then? And pray tell, how do YOU know what God cares about?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



I used to be a religious whacko, like yourself, until my eyes were opened. And I've been here since long before you whackos came and I usually ignore you. But a thread entitled "Brethren in Christ" is just too much. This ISN'T Pious dot Com and I'm being real nice to you in a kinder, genteler GLP way to inform you of this. So, Suck it Bitch.
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 12:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Well stated. I think veneration was created as a loop hole to get around "Do not worship". Its a dangerous and slippery slope. This is why I say "hung around the neck". No veneration and no worship as both ask for a bow or bent knee, supplication, reverence, or penitence. An icon, a symbol if you will, of your faith, and letting others know of it, is neither.
 Quoting: peppersgc


Totally agree. Reminders are exactly what the Israelites were supposed to have (though it didn't seem to do them much good!). <-- And that's why I don't wear any overtly Christian jewelry or put stickers on my car. We all slip up, and that's just when somebody sees the symbol and immediately judges all Christians by it. I figure they should know me better by my behavior anyway. At the same time, I don't think less of Christians who use such symbolic reminders.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
Shamar

User ID: 24946868
United States
10/19/2012 12:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
...


If we are with Christ, we are no longer beholden to the 10 Commandments. If you think otherwise how do you handle the sabbath day?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23943453


So I can now go kill people? What kind of logic is this?
 Quoting: Face Palmer


LOL! Exactly!

The 10 commandments are simple basic instructions for mankind to live decently with eachother and God.

They still stand as a general guideline of how God wants us to live.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I think he means that Christ writes the law onto our hearts,so that we know what is right and wrong
 Quoting: TheWiseOne

a LOT of people don't know Christ and they know it's wrong to kill, steal or fornicate.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 12:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
I used to be a religious whacko, like yourself, until my eyes were opened. And I've been here since long before you whackos came and I usually ignore you. But a thread entitled "Brethren in Christ" is just too much. This ISN'T Pious dot Com and I'm being real nice to you in a kinder, genteler GLP way to inform you of this. So, Suck it Bitch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25855146


Sure, you're better than us, or so you think. You call us whackos yet somehow consider yourself above us. You call us blind (by saying your eyes are opened) yet think you've somehow gone up and not down.

Too much... for those delicate eyes of yours? Then maybe GLP is "too much" for you, and you'd be happier at a board that tolerates no free speech. This isn't freefromreligion dot com either, pal. And your so-called kindness is nothing of the sort. The name calling is what juveniles do, and this is par for the course around here, but you don't see me whining about it.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
TheWiseOne  (OP)

User ID: 25863174
Bahamas
10/19/2012 01:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Dear fellow brothers in Christ I am curious to know how do you interpret the second commandment :
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Please reply in a civilized and Godly manner and do not let difference in opinion divide us.
 Quoting: TheWiseOne


I wish the fuck that GLP would open a sub-forum for you religious whackos.


Here's a clue about the 2nd commandment. If it doesn't sound like a super intelligent, supreme being said it, HE probably didn't.
If it sounds petty or crazy, it was probably some tribal guy writing stupid stuff to gain control over the sheeple.

Do you really think that GOD cares about you making pictures or images of things. HE doesn't give a shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25855146


You think you are so high and mighty and sinless.You are calling us whackos. Well Jesus didn't come to save the high and mighty like the pharisees.He came to save the wackos who need him
There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
Shamar

User ID: 24946868
United States
10/19/2012 01:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Dear fellow brothers in Christ I am curious to know how do you interpret the second commandment :
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Please reply in a civilized and Godly manner and do not let difference in opinion divide us.
 Quoting: TheWiseOne


I have actually heard it said that NOTHING of ANY likeness is to be made, this would include dolls and stuffed animals.

I know, it sounds funny, but since I first read it and said "whu?????" i have a very good understanding of why that would be so.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
peppersgc

User ID: 6547194
United States
10/19/2012 01:05 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Totally agree. Reminders are exactly what the Israelites were supposed to have (though it didn't seem to do them much good!). <-- And that's why I don't wear any overtly Christian jewelry or put stickers on my car. We all slip up, and that's just when somebody sees the symbol and immediately judges all Christians by it. I figure they should know me better by my behavior anyway. At the same time, I don't think less of Christians who use such symbolic reminders.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I see. Actions and way of life should be the "icon" and "symbol" of ones faith. I've never thought of it that way, and it makes perfect sense with scripture. You've just slightly altered my belief system. I can't believe I've never made that connection before as I have been studying scripture and theology since I was 12. We never stop learning, do we?
"Justice isn't just blind, she's in a coma." -Allison DuBois
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13039567
United States
10/19/2012 01:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
The Sabbath is on Saturday the 7th day too, yet we go to church on Sunday. Easter and Christmas are pagan holidays, it just gets worse and worse. I think people are beginning to find out how manipulated the church and society has become by the works of Satan.
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 01:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
Totally agree. Reminders are exactly what the Israelites were supposed to have (though it didn't seem to do them much good!). <-- And that's why I don't wear any overtly Christian jewelry or put stickers on my car. We all slip up, and that's just when somebody sees the symbol and immediately judges all Christians by it. I figure they should know me better by my behavior anyway. At the same time, I don't think less of Christians who use such symbolic reminders.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I see. Actions and way of life should be the "icon" and "symbol" of ones faith. I've never thought of it that way, and it makes perfect sense with scripture. You've just slightly altered my belief system. I can't believe I've never made that connection before as I have been studying scripture and theology since I was 12. We never stop learning, do we?
 Quoting: peppersgc


Glad to be of service! And yes, we always need to keep learning. Paul also spoke of us being the "fragrance" of Christ, which is pleasant to those on their way to being saved, but the stench of death to those on the road to hell. We are Christ's "image" in this age, one way or another.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
Keep2theCode

User ID: 20545539
United States
10/19/2012 01:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Brethren In Christ,How do you interpret the Second Commandment?
The Sabbath is on Saturday the 7th day too, yet we go to church on Sunday. Easter and Christmas are pagan holidays, it just gets worse and worse. I think people are beginning to find out how manipulated the church and society has become by the works of Satan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13039567


I sure hope so. And I think the biggest lie has been that we need sacred buildings, sacred furniture, clergy, altars, and business meetings. Jesus only said "where two or three gather in my name", and "in spirit and truth" rather than sacred places. Our true worship is not done through rituals or rites, but through "the renewing of your mind" and "the fruit of the Spirit". We are "salt", and one does not put salt into a bowl and bring the food to it; rather, we are to go out into the world and "savor" it by living daily in such a way that people want to have what we have. That is our worship, and it needs no special place or time.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)





GLP