NYC taxi firms run out of Gas "In New York City over 50 percent of stations are not able to sell gasoline and it could be up to 75 percent,"

With Jersey ports and refineries closed, harbors full of debris, and still large power outages, expect growing shortages and chaos...

You should see the subway lines because of it. On gawker.com is a picture of a 6 block line to enter the subway!! They said there are many of these lines! WOW. City is crippled when transit goes down.

Started this thread this morning. It is way worse than a few gas stations...


Thread: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,

Isnt the NY subway still closed? They said it was closed for a week?

"Fuel supplies into New York and New Jersey are being choked off in several ways: two refineries that make up a quarter of the region's gasoline and diesel capacity are idle because of power outages or flooding; the New York Harbor waterway that imports a fifth of the area's fuel is still closed to traffic, and major import terminals are damaged and powerless."

If it wasn't the subway, I wonder what they were in line for. Fema vouchers?

Some of the "subways" are on elevated track and do not run underground. The subway system is greater than just the island. It goes out 60 miles in every direction, most of it above ground.

Time to declare vacation for all non storm clean up related workers. Save remaining fuel for critical functions. An ad campaign gets delayed, big fucking deal, an ambulance can't be fueled, people die.

yep........... yep

The lines I saw were for buses.

LOL, i read subways as the sandwich shop.
next i thought, don't those new yorkers havve any food at all in their refrigerators?
sorry nyc.

New York Harbor Oil Disruptions

Busiest Oil port in the USA is still closed as of today.

Reuuuters India has the article but can't put the link in here I guess.

Cliff Notes:

1. 80 Vessles still sitting off Port
2. No estimates of being reopened
3. The largest Pipeline in the area is apparently still closed as well.
4. Apparently the debris in the harbor is causing some ships props to fail, with many ships floating in disrepair
5. New York Harbor stores 75 million barrels of oil
6. Recieves 900,000 barrels per day as of August 2012
7. Ships are only allowed into the harbor area with permission from the Port Captain's approval...called "Condition Yankee"
8. One barge is beached on Staten Island

and...

From

Yahoo News Canada

More than half of all gasoline service stations in the New York City area and New Jersey were shut because of depleted fuel supplies and power outages, frustrating attempts to restore normal life, industry officials said.

Reports of long lines, dark stations and empty tanks circulated across the region. Some station owners were unable to pump fuel due to a lack of power, while others quickly ran their tanks dry because of increased demand and logistical problems in delivering fresh supplies.

The lack of working gasoline stations is likely to compound travel problems in the region, with the New York City subway system down until at least Thursday and overland rail and bus services severely disrupted.

Homeowners and businesses relying on back-up generators during the power cuts, including many Wall Street banks in lower Manhattan, may also run short of fuel.

Just up from CNBC

[link to www.cnbc.com]

A few excerpts:
The problem is not gasoline supplies, but the ability to distribute it, especially from the critical area around Linden, N.J. An estimated 75 percent or more of the gas stations in New Jersey were closed either because they had no gasoline, no power or both, said Sal Risalvato, executive director of the N.J. Gasoline, Convenience, Automotive Association. His organization represents about 1,000 gasoline stations in N.J.

“What I’m seeing is here’s a combination of problems. Power is at the root of it. That means gasoline that is already in inventory, already refined in those big tanks you see along the side of the turnpike, they can‘t get that gasoline into the delivery trucks without power,” said Risalvato.

The refineries that remain out of commission, especially the giant gasoline-producing Phillips 66 Bayway refinery, are not at the root of the current supply shortage. It is mainly the result of trucks not able to pick up deliveries or make deliveries.

The two east coast refineries that remained closed, include Phillip 66’s [PSX 47.4653 0.3053 (+0.65%) ] big Bayway refinery in Linden, N.J., and the Hess [HES 52.61 0.35 (+0.67%) ] refinery in Port Reading. East coast refineries, including four in the Delaware and Philadelphia area, account for about 6.5 percent of U.S. refining capacity. Besides the refineries, gasoline terminals in northern New Jersey remained closed due to power outages and flooding.

Thank goodness our Subways are still open. Guess we are much better off than NYC. Umm ... that sounds like a great lunch idea.

OH ... not that kind of subway? Is there another kind? Chipotle? Jack in the Box? ... OK I give up. Hint please?

Oil is just the tip of the iceberg.



The Port of New York and New Jersey comprises the waterways in the estuary of the New York-Newark metropolitan area with a port district encompassing an approximate area within a 25-mile (40 km) radius of the Statue of Liberty National Monument. The system of navigable waters along 650 miles (1,050 km) of shoreline in the vicinity of New York City and northeastern New Jersey is considered one the finest natural harbors in the world.[1] The port is by tonnage the third largest in the United States and the busiest on the East Coast.[2][3][4] In 2010, 4,811 ships entered the harbor carrying over 32.2 million metric tons of cargo valued at over $175 billion.[5]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

With a major port closed...expect to see the ripple effect stretch across the nation.

If shipping companies are forced to deliver their goods elsewhere, it will cost them more in fuel and that cost will be passed onto the consumer.

This guy looks happy...
[link to www.youtube.com]

Yes it is way bigger than Gas. Look at a Map of the Ports just on the NJ side. The Rail Lines come into the ports. If the ports and rail lines are damageed than the trains cannot come into the ports, therefore, other supplies like FOOD may not be able to make it in to be unloaded to Trucks and out for delivery. The reverse is also true, Ships cant dock, cant load trains that go back across the country.

Look at Port Elizabeth and Perth Amboy specifically on this.

That is what this thread is about.

Thread: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,

Understand the damage at the ports, etc. It effects the whole country.

Oh no...fatties are going to have to walk.

you Yankee's can't handle a cat 1 hurricane?

Yes, Sandy might be over, but the real storm is about to begin.

Sadly, up there they are used to having everything they want, all the time no questions asked because of the Ports and Supply infrastructure.

As mentioned, it took 36 hours for Hoboken to start panicking because they didn't have food from the Nat Guard.

20,000 people couldn't figure out how to handle things for more than 36 hours.

New Yorkers are incredibly creative when they want to be.
Let's send them some positive vibes and pray they come up
with some innovative ideas to bridge the gap till things
get back to functional levels. Good people tend to pull
together in tough times.
This sure is a great case for hybrid cars and preparedness in
general.

Hey Donald ! Now that you didn't have to write that check,
how about some leadership(donation) in the public domain/
calling in some favors to get some gas delivered on your dime!!!!

are you folks, i mean all the folks on this side of the US, reading this.....
no oil coming in and the refineries that make the gas that is then ship out to YOUR gas stations not working....
gas will not be coming to YOUR gas stations....
GET IT.
this is not about US here in the mess it is now going to be about all of you too!
we are just getting hit now today....this will soon be effecting a gas station near you.....
ARE YOU READY?

I agree as this is about supporting the dollar through higher crude prices (Petrodollars) and higher gas prices to support tax revenues (directly proportional taxes on fuel) for the beast (Federal/State/local Gobermants) !

This^

And this

The Port of New York and New Jersey, a Critical Hub of Global Commerce
[link to www.forbes.com]

And this

It would be hard to run a generator without gas.

Port Opened to Tug and Barge Traffic

The Port of New York and New Jersey is open with the following guidelines and exceptions:

-The Port of New York is open to all tug and barge traffic carrying petroleum products.
-New York waterway ferries and taxi service are fully operational on the Hudson and East Rivers.
-Gravesend Bay anchorage south of the Verrazano Bridge as well as the anchorage north of the bridge is open and anchorage north of the bride is scheduled to be open later today.
-The Hudson River is open to all vessel traffic north of George Washington Bridge.
-The Kill Van Kull is open to light tugs.

[link to www.maritime-executive.com]

You posted on my other thread earlier. This is very frustrating that people are not seeing the magnitude of the situation with the Ports. I am waiting on a pass for the Journal of Commerce which appears to have some details on the Port Damage and a Timeline.

In regards to the Gas supply to the rest of the country, it depends on the pipelines. here is a map.

[link to www.theodora.com]

I also saw a report that Ships are now being Deverted to Virginia Ports at the moment but I am waiting on that damn registration to get the full scoop on a lot of things