Man Arrested for "Hoarding" Gas in 5 Gallon Buckets | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8950 How the fuck are they anymore dangerous than a plastic gas can? How? And don't tell me its because you can't pour the gas out of them. EVER HEARD OF A FUCKING FUNNEL? Uhm...gas canisters have Self-Venting spouts so the can doesn't expand and explode. Home depot buckets do not. That's some pretty bad gasoline that could explode under such slight pressure! Would it be OK if he's bought higher octane (i.e. more explosion-proof)? The canister explodes from the pressure...not the gas. Too complex? Oh, you mean the lid pops off the top container if nothing is holding it down? |
Nosaj User ID: 26885962 United States 11/05/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nosaj Uhm...gas canisters have Self-Venting spouts so the can doesn't expand and explode. Home depot buckets do not. That's some pretty bad gasoline that could explode under such slight pressure! Would it be OK if he's bought higher octane (i.e. more explosion-proof)? The canister explodes from the pressure...not the gas. Too complex? Oh, you mean the lid pops off the top container if nothing is holding it down? Don't breed Trolly McTrollerson Jus' movin' on up in the world inch by inch... |
thetrickybigguy User ID: 27048813 United States 11/05/2012 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and now that i think about it, doesn't it say right on the pumps that it is 'unlawful to dispense gas into unaproved containers'? fucked up either way cause they took the guys gas and SOMETHING should have been done to help this guy but like i said, it is what it is. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27058084 That's some pretty bad gasoline that could explode under such slight pressure! Would it be OK if he's bought higher octane (i.e. more explosion-proof)? The canister explodes from the pressure...not the gas. Too complex? Oh, you mean the lid pops off the top container if nothing is holding it down? Don't breed Trolly McTrollerson Already have. And the whole family is fine (knock on wood) even though we are living in the affected area. Speaking of which, what the fuck gives you the right to express your opinion as if it matters? |
Daersoulkeeper User ID: 1159767 United States 11/05/2012 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i would have felt like i was going to be arrested if i had that many buckets, filling them while others watched. where are peoples danger sense? besides 5 gallon buckets are very unsafe as its the fumes that light not the gas. the correct move would have been to fill 2 sealable containers each day, and no one would have noticed the real reason most people on this planet are the most ignorant gullible people that have ever lived is a little thing called the TELL-LIE-VISION television when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision tell lie vision |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and now that i think about it, doesn't it say right on the pumps that it is 'unlawful to dispense gas into unaproved containers'? Quoting: thetrickybigguy fucked up either way cause they took the guys gas and SOMETHING should have been done to help this guy but like i said, it is what it is. Yes and indeed something is fucked up. That is that we're in the aftermath of Sandy. It's called an emergency. Sometimes a rule is bent here and there in emergencies. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i would have felt like i was going to be arrested if i had that many buckets, filling them while others watched. Quoting: Daersoulkeeper where are peoples danger sense? besides 5 gallon buckets are very unsafe as its the fumes that light not the gas. the correct move would have been to fill 2 sealable containers each day, and no one would have noticed Orange County is a good 80 miles north of NYC. That's 160 miles roundtrip even after he negotiates the terrible traffic inside NYC (less subway means more traffic). Just about enough to burn all that gasoline up in those 2 sealable containers. Read the story next time please. And, why would he be arrested for trying to bring gasoline where it's needed. I would have expected to be treated as a hero (as long as Orange County has an adequate supply) or at least given some leeway. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25327582 Canada 11/05/2012 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a hazardous material. There are federal regulations for it's safe transport and storage. I was a firefighter for 30 years and fully appreciate the regulations governing the handling of it. That man and the service station that allowed him to fill those buckets were endangering the public. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25327582 Would you be ok if he had transported that gas in plastic gas cans? The regulations state that the transport of more than a few approved 5 gallon containers must be made in a properly secured tank designed for that purpose. As another poster said: that vehicle was a rolling bomb ... something no knowledgable emergency service provider could (or should) abide by, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27041005 United States 11/05/2012 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Good Luck |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8950 United States 11/05/2012 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i would have felt like i was going to be arrested if i had that many buckets, filling them while others watched. Quoting: Daersoulkeeper where are peoples danger sense? besides 5 gallon buckets are very unsafe as its the fumes that light not the gas. the correct move would have been to fill 2 sealable containers each day, and no one would have noticed Orange County is a good 80 miles north of NYC. That's 160 miles roundtrip even after he negotiates the terrible traffic inside NYC (less subway means more traffic). Just about enough to burn all that gasoline up in those 2 sealable containers. Read the story next time please. And, why would he be arrested for trying to bring gasoline where it's needed. I would have expected to be treated as a hero (as long as Orange County has an adequate supply) or at least given some leeway. Or a fucking police escort. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15242038 United States 11/05/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd have a plan with my neighborhood. If they came together to purchase gas with what money they had, they could have easily in the past planned to get long term gas containers. I totally understand mr. Macgyver doing what he did, but it definitely wasn't safe. the home depot buckets are not made out of the same plastic fuel containers are. Even the ones with special polymer don't hold up after time. Metal is considered better (longevity) but if you can snag Mil-grade fuel canisters, that'd be good. He may have endangered himself and others, but hey, he had really no other choice. Can't blame him... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19559803 United States 11/05/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. Quoting: Nosaj You are twisting the story to piss people off. He was "in violation of regulation concerning flammable or combustible liquids." Because he put GAS inside HOME DEPOT CONTAINERS which were EXPANDING. Not hoarding. If they actually spent the money for proper gas containers it would have been no problem. Don't tell me there are no gas containers, I am right outside of Boston and travel to NJ daily. I can find plenty. Hmmm, lets see, I'm low on cash and a 5 gallon home depot can costs $3.00 but a 5 gallon plastic gas can costs $20.00! What should I do?????? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck Gasoline used to store pretty well until they started adding ethanol. The ethanol breaks down to water which is bad for an engine. Stabilizers can stop or slow that but they're pretty expensive. How is the propane supply in the affected area. I am going to find out later today as I try to refill a canister of cooking propane. But gasoline is a priority to restore, and it's kept us warm and even connected to the internet for the past week here. |
Blue Skies User ID: 19168576 United States 11/05/2012 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) :kitten on fence: |
Sledster User ID: 982167 Germany 11/05/2012 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Stupid!!! IT Burns!!! I would transport 200 gallons of gasoline in empty MILK JUGS if it meant the difference between my family freezing to death or having heat for a couple of days. You fucking Government shills can all GO TO HELL! I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.uline.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15242038 I'd have a plan with my neighborhood. If they came together to purchase gas with what money they had, they could have easily in the past planned to get long term gas containers. I totally understand mr. Macgyver doing what he did, but it definitely wasn't safe. the home depot buckets are not made out of the same plastic fuel containers are. Even the ones with special polymer don't hold up after time. Metal is considered better (longevity) but if you can snag Mil-grade fuel canisters, that'd be good. He may have endangered himself and others, but hey, he had really no other choice. Can't blame him... Where can one get mil fuel canisters? The metal gas cans are like $50 apiece for 5 gallon cans, that's for Type 1. Type 2 with the flexible metal spout is like $90. One cannot plan in advance for something like this, an unprecedented disaster. There are limits to planning. Actually this was a contingency plan, and the Orange County cops prevented it from working. Good job, cops! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. Maybe that's "most cities" in Canada. I think there were a couple places in the USA that did inspections and made people take out or modify their fireplaces, but that's surely the exception rather than the rule here. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Stop what? Why would gas expand when it's stored? If it's a sealed container at constant temperature and pressure, wouldn't that violate the physical principle of conservation of mass? Petroleum being processed thru a refinery actually expands; the output products are larger than the input. But gasoline sitting quietly in a sealed can (without ethanol anyway) just sits. Otherwise sealed cans would be illegal, rather than required. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26936404 United States 11/05/2012 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Search for the title before posting... I'm sure there will be several more of this post today and tomorrow. Quoting: Giftedest The man and gas station owner were arrested for using 5 gallon paint buckets. Look at the picture of 30 buckets stacked in the van with the lids coming off. It could be deadly to more than the van driver, k. :9teen: Yep I'm with the cops on this one, that guy must be insane. That makes you part of the problem. Yes, it's dangerous, but so is everything else in life. We need less rules, more danger, and smarter people. Darwin will assure the latter if we create the former. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States 11/05/2012 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. I didnt say Fireplaces or OPEN anything, I said a woodburning stove which is contained . You do know what a woodburning stove is right? And of course fireplaces though are legal here. Its usually already built into homes but its no where near able to provide livable heat like a woodburning stove can. Heres a link to woodburning stoves from ACE hardware, practically sold in every city of the USA [link to www.acehardware.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23793796 United States 11/05/2012 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Stupid!!! IT Burns!!! Quoting: Sledster I would transport 200 gallons of gasoline in empty MILK JUGS if it meant the difference between my family freezing to death or having heat for a couple of days. What good are you and the gasoline if both burn up making the trip? Worse yet, as you get into the city, the fumes ignite and begin to burn, you lose control and crash into homes and apartments, the gas explodes and a massive fire consumes a block, and hundreds die, more are burnt and out in the cold. A little common sense, even when desperate is always the way to go. But some people lose all common sense when they are in crisis mode... Which is why the NY, NJ areas are so dangerous now. How long until you have huge fires from people attempting to keep warm? Could be even worse with the approaching storm, high winds and power outages again, along with bitter cold... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15242038 United States 11/05/2012 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.uline.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15242038 I'd have a plan with my neighborhood. If they came together to purchase gas with what money they had, they could have easily in the past planned to get long term gas containers. I totally understand mr. Macgyver doing what he did, but it definitely wasn't safe. the home depot buckets are not made out of the same plastic fuel containers are. Even the ones with special polymer don't hold up after time. Metal is considered better (longevity) but if you can snag Mil-grade fuel canisters, that'd be good. He may have endangered himself and others, but hey, he had really no other choice. Can't blame him... Where can one get mil fuel canisters? The metal gas cans are like $50 apiece for 5 gallon cans, that's for Type 1. Type 2 with the flexible metal spout is like $90. One cannot plan in advance for something like this, an unprecedented disaster. There are limits to planning. Actually this was a contingency plan, and the Orange County cops prevented it from working. Good job, cops! Scepter is a good place to start, they also sell stand a lones with hand crank pumps! They LAST so long, its nice. But I totally understand that most people don't think of a plan for a random disaster. I think they should have been helped by the police to transport it in a safer manner as well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States 11/05/2012 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Stupid!!! IT Burns!!! Quoting: Sledster I would transport 200 gallons of gasoline in empty MILK JUGS if it meant the difference between my family freezing to death or having heat for a couple of days. What good are you and the gasoline if both burn up making the trip? Worse yet, as you get into the city, the fumes ignite and begin to burn, you lose control and crash into homes and apartments, the gas explodes and a massive fire consumes a block, and hundreds die, more are burnt and out in the cold. A little common sense, even when desperate is always the way to go. But some people lose all common sense when they are in crisis mode... Which is why the NY, NJ areas are so dangerous now. How long until you have huge fires from people attempting to keep warm? Could be even worse with the approaching storm, high winds and power outages again, along with bitter cold... Nothing wrong with a small outdoor bonfire or campfire.. maybe done up in a few metal drums.. Its legal up to so many feet (flames ) where I live. People stop by at the fire station to get permits to burn leaves and cuttings. whip out the smores.. keep warm.. Check local laws of course, but if youve done camping before, its pretty much how you get warmed up.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6305420 United States 11/05/2012 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 150 gallons of gas in paint cans? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23793796 That isn't hording, that is just plain stupid, the kind of stupid that gets people killed. Exactly. He was not arrested for hording gas, he was arrested for storing it in 5 gallon buckets. If you want gas then get a gas can to store it properly. |
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Sharty Mc Bean User ID: 27054112 Netherlands 11/05/2012 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prepping? How much gas have you stored in preparation? Just curious. have a barrel with 200 liters with gas and have 1500 liters diesel. i have food for 1 year at least. and after that i have a huge garden to grow shit. i am as prepared as can be. its what i do. people call me crazy... i know who is crazy and it aint me,,,,, shitheads |