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If near death experiences are based on a person's belief and expectations, then why does...

 
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Jesus always let Muslims, who have near death experiences, that Islam is a false religion? Search near death experiences by Muslims, to see what I mean. After these experiences, the Muslims will then convert to Christianity.
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For further evidence that Islam is false, many have reported in their NDEs to see the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. And Muslims don't believe Jesus was ever crucified.

In addition, I haven't yet seen an account of a near death experience, where a person, including Muslims, see Muhammad. Giving further evidence, that Muhammad never even existed, or if he did, he certainly wasn't a prophet.
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I got in a fight with both of the gods I met during a near death experience..one because they were on an annoying power trip and the other because she had no regard for people's rights at all and just wanted them to finish out their lives as actors within the play she wrote.

No one converted me to anything or mentioned any specific religion.
The spirits in the dark were quite soothing though and not as annoying.
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Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience

Mellen-Thomas Benedict is an artist who survived a near-death experience in 1982. He was dead for over an hour and a half after dying of cancer. At the time of his death, he rose up out of his body and went into the light. Curious about the universe, he was taken far into the remote depths of existence, and even beyond, into the energetic void of nothingness behind the Big Bang. During his experience, he was able to learn a great deal of information concerning reincarnation. Because of his near-death experience, he was able to bring back scientific discoveries. Mr. Benedict has been closely involved in the mechanics of cellular communication and research dealing with the relationship of light to life called Quantum Biology. This research is providing dramatic new perspectives on how biological systems work. Mr. Benedict has found that living cells can respond very quickly to light stimulation resulting in, among other things, high speed healing. He is a researcher, inventor and lecturer who holds six U.S. patents.

Continue to read:
[link to www.near-death.com]

hf
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op's been watching too many fake nde propaganda videos.
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OP you can't use the term "always" or "jesus" when talking about a NDE. Not everyone who has a NDE sees "jesus" or whatever else. Most people just see black, that's it. Anyway what are you trying to prove?
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nde statistics
[link to www.neardeathsite.com]
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op's been watching too many fake nde propaganda videos.
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Nope. I'm also read, the recently released book, by the International Associatoin for Near Death Studies. This is a non-Christian organization, that have examine 1000s of NDE cases. They share two accounts, by an atheist and a Jewish person. Both people saw hell, and both saw Jesus.
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DMT, that is all.
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Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience

Mellen-Thomas Benedict is an artist who survived a near-death experience in 1982. He was dead for over an hour and a half after dying of cancer. At the time of his death, he rose up out of his body and went into the light. Curious about the universe, he was taken far into the remote depths of existence, and even beyond, into the energetic void of nothingness behind the Big Bang. During his experience, he was able to learn a great deal of information concerning reincarnation. Because of his near-death experience, he was able to bring back scientific discoveries. Mr. Benedict has been closely involved in the mechanics of cellular communication and research dealing with the relationship of light to life called Quantum Biology. This research is providing dramatic new perspectives on how biological systems work. Mr. Benedict has found that living cells can respond very quickly to light stimulation resulting in, among other things, high speed healing. He is a researcher, inventor and lecturer who holds six U.S. patents.

Continue to read:
[link to www.near-death.com]

hf
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This site is joke for one main reason.

They completely ignore verdical information, which proves their conclusion is false.
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op's been watching too many fake nde propaganda videos.
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Nope. I'm also read, the recently released book, by the International Associatoin for Near Death Studies. This is a non-Christian organization, that have examine 1000s of NDE cases. They share two accounts, by an atheist and a Jewish person. Both people saw hell, and both saw Jesus.
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I saw neither hell nor Jesus.
Why only count the experiences that suit your beliefs?
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DMT, that is all.
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DMT, can't explain the veridical information, that many have now encountered in their NDEs.

And yes I'm very familar and researched Rick Strausman's extensive study on DMT.
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op's been watching too many fake nde propaganda videos.
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Nope. I'm also read, the recently released book, by the International Associatoin for Near Death Studies. This is a non-Christian organization, that have examine 1000s of NDE cases. They share two accounts, by an atheist and a Jewish person. Both people saw hell, and both saw Jesus.
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I saw neither hell nor Jesus.
Why only count the experiences that suit your beliefs?
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Were you clinically death, yes or no?
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op's been watching too many fake nde propaganda videos.
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Nope. I'm also read, the recently released book, by the International Associatoin for Near Death Studies. This is a non-Christian organization, that have examine 1000s of NDE cases. They share two accounts, by an atheist and a Jewish person. Both people saw hell, and both saw Jesus.
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I saw neither hell nor Jesus.
Why only count the experiences that suit your beliefs?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


Were you clinically death, yes or no?
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Yep, heart attack.
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Nope. I'm also read, the recently released book, by the International Associatoin for Near Death Studies. This is a non-Christian organization, that have examine 1000s of NDE cases. They share two accounts, by an atheist and a Jewish person. Both people saw hell, and both saw Jesus.
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I saw neither hell nor Jesus.
Why only count the experiences that suit your beliefs?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


Were you clinically death, yes or no?
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Yep, heart attack.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


Did you come across any veridical info? This helps shows, the experience was not based merely on subconscious beliefs. From your description, it doesn't sound like you did.
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I'm an atheist and I met gods and spirits. That went entirely against my beliefs.

I do apologise for them not being your gods. I know that's difficult.
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Were you clinically death, yes or no?
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Yep, heart attack.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


Did you come across any veridical info? This helps shows, the experience was not based merely on subconscious beliefs. From your description, it doesn't sound like you did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26861263


I'm an atheist and I met gods and spirits.

I do apologise for them not being your gods. I know that's difficult.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


From an atheist's viewpoint, how do you explain the several accounts now, of people coming across veridical information in their NDEs.

For example, one person floated above the hospital during the NDE, saw a single shoe. After the NDE, it was confirmed the shoe was there.

In another incidence, a person went to a heavenly location. Saw the deceased, and learned of highly specific information. This information was then confirmed to be true down to the exact details with the deceased's family members to be true. Psychologists, nor neuroscientists, can't explain these specific types of NDEs.
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Yep, heart attack.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


Did you come across any veridical info? This helps shows, the experience was not based merely on subconscious beliefs. From your description, it doesn't sound like you did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26861263


I'm an atheist and I met gods and spirits.

I do apologise for them not being your gods. I know that's difficult.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


From an atheist's viewpoint, how do you explain the several accounts now, of people coming across veridical information in their NDEs.

For example, one person floated above the hospital during the NDE, saw a single shoe. After the NDE, it was confirmed the shoe was there.

In another incidence, a person went to a heavenly location. Saw the deceased, and learned of highly specific information. This information was then confirmed to be true down to the exact details with the deceased's family members to be true. Psychologists, nor neuroscientists, can't explain these specific types of NDEs.
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Who knows, ask the CIA, they're the ones that study the whole remote viewing thing.
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Did you come across any veridical info? This helps shows, the experience was not based merely on subconscious beliefs. From your description, it doesn't sound like you did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26861263


I'm an atheist and I met gods and spirits.

I do apologise for them not being your gods. I know that's difficult.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


From an atheist's viewpoint, how do you explain the several accounts now, of people coming across veridical information in their NDEs.

For example, one person floated above the hospital during the NDE, saw a single shoe. After the NDE, it was confirmed the shoe was there.

In another incidence, a person went to a heavenly location. Saw the deceased, and learned of highly specific information. This information was then confirmed to be true down to the exact details with the deceased's family members to be true. Psychologists, nor neuroscientists, can't explain these specific types of NDEs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26861263


Who knows, ask the CIA, they're the ones that study the whole remote viewing thing.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


I'm also very familar with remote viewing. Their explanation is this, can be learned from non-locality, which is the mind, is not local to time and space.

But, remote viewers, are still limited to the distance and time, of where their mind can travel.

Also, the location, seen in the NDEs, by those specifically coming across veridical information in a heavenly location, has never once been remote viewed.





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