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Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state | |
| OP VEGETABLE MAN User ID: 27690329  Canada11/13/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27110376  United States11/13/2012 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would feel like crap if I pulled... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315 ex. let's say my mothers plug... years ago because she was in a vegetative state. I would hold on. That's the loving thing to do. Never give up on people. Just because she may have "said" she was not in pain doesn't rule out the idea that they internally came to grips with their horrible existence, if you can even call it that, and wanted to die peacefully already. Tough choice for any family member to make, but if that we're to happen to me I would wanna be unplugged |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27335964 United States11/13/2012 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a directive, that my attorney is holding, that I am not to be kept in a vegetative state under any circumstances. I have personally asked, several in my family, to please be the one to place a pillow over my face and press down... But I am happy that they are working with people trapped in this kind of hell. I pray for them now, they have my deepest empathy. It is a deep fear, and I hope I die a horrible, painful death before I would ever have to endure anything like that--living for years in limbo. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1161315 Canada11/13/2012 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't) But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game. Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state. I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1161315 Canada11/13/2012 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it will be useless if there is no medical coverage from medicare or insurance benefits... because doctor or nurse will not be spending their time on a patient for free. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12064276 Vegetable state dose not always mean you have to be hooked up to a machine 24/7, let alone be confined within a hospital. Hospitals aren't magical places that as soon as you leave hospital grounds you die. Some could easily be moved onto a bed, maybe a nice cabin in the country side or in a wheel chair. You could care for them yourself, or with the help of family. At this rate who knows, maybe we can go a step further can wake people from this comatose state and gain some functionality someday. |
| amachiavellian User ID: 20940257 Canada11/13/2012 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state Quoting: OP VEGETABLE MAN 27690329 [link to life.nationalpost.com] For more than a decade, Scott Routley has been living in a vegetative state. He can’t talk. He can’t move. And although his eyes are open, no one is sure whether he can see. But now, for the first time, doctors caring for the 39-year-old London, Ont., man say they know he’s not in pain. And they learned it from Routley himself, by analyzing his brain waves when they asked him. “This was a landmark moment for us because for the first time, a patient can actually tell us information, important information about how they’re feeling and their current situation,” said lead researcher Dr. Adrian Owen on Tuesday. This is actually pretty damn amazing. Think about it. From a series of control questions one should be able to determine a Yes or No brain wave pattern. The patient has a known and deep seeded fear of spiders for example: You could ask, "Do you like spiders" - that should be a No; or you could ask, "Are you afraid of spiders" - that should be a Yes. There is only a subtle difference in the phrasing - so that would also speak towards any awareness — read for knowledge, not answers. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1161315 Canada11/13/2012 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Canadian doctors find way to communicate with man in vegetative state Quoting: OP VEGETABLE MAN 27690329 [link to life.nationalpost.com] For more than a decade, Scott Routley has been living in a vegetative state. He can’t talk. He can’t move. And although his eyes are open, no one is sure whether he can see. But now, for the first time, doctors caring for the 39-year-old London, Ont., man say they know he’s not in pain. And they learned it from Routley himself, by analyzing his brain waves when they asked him. “This was a landmark moment for us because for the first time, a patient can actually tell us information, important information about how they’re feeling and their current situation,” said lead researcher Dr. Adrian Owen on Tuesday. This is actually pretty damn amazing. Think about it. From a series of control questions one should be able to determine a Yes or No brain wave pattern. The patient has a known and deep seeded fear of spiders for example: You could ask, "Do you like spiders" - that should be a No; or you could ask, "Are you afraid of spiders" - that should be a Yes. There is only a subtle difference in the phrasing - so that would also speak towards any awareness If you take that a step further. You could write a code that translates the brain wave into actual language played back through a speaker. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27677098  United Kingdom11/13/2012 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fair enough. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315 Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't) But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game. Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state. I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices. shit |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1161315 Canada11/13/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fair enough. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315 Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't) But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game. Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state. I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices. shit What do you mean shit? If you where beaten to near death this technology could help you ID and prosecute those who did you harm in court. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1779676 United States11/13/2012 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a directive, that my attorney is holding, that I am not to be kept in a vegetative state under any circumstances. I have personally asked, several in my family, to please be the one to place a pillow over my face and press down... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27335964 But I am happy that they are working with people trapped in this kind of hell. I pray for them now, they have my deepest empathy. It is a deep fear, and I hope I die a horrible, painful death before I would ever have to endure anything like that--living for years in limbo. But maybe science could figure out how to bring you back one day? :D |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27572647 United States11/13/2012 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fair enough. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1161315 Just write that into your will (not sure if you can or can't) But now we have the casualty's consent which changes the game. Maybe the mother would like too see her kids grow up even if shes confined to a bed in a vegetable state. I don't know, but soon enough we will have the capacity to make more decisive choices. shit What do you mean shit? If you where beaten to near death this technology could help you ID and prosecute those who did you harm in court. Maybe that is why AC said shit.... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5637281 United States11/13/2012 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the only message they'd get out of him would be (kill me) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15390403 Thats because you have no logic outside of your own ego. The man alreay said he is in no pain. It`s possible he has enduced other defences that humans have long forgot, maybe his brain accesed another dimencion to cope.. Who knows how it all works?, |
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| Mrbillybadass User ID: 21031197 United States11/14/2012 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a directive, that my attorney is holding, that I am not to be kept in a vegetative state under any circumstances. I have personally asked, several in my family, to please be the one to place a pillow over my face and press down... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27335964 But I am happy that they are working with people trapped in this kind of hell. I pray for them now, they have my deepest empathy. It is a deep fear, and I hope I die a horrible, painful death before I would ever have to endure anything like that--living for years in limbo. But maybe science could figure out how to bring you back one day? :D After years of sitting there, same room, doing literally nothing...Even if there was technology to bring you back, highly likely you would be insane by the time the technology came around. |
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| Citizenperth User ID: 27714573  Australia11/14/2012 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so, they had a vegetarian in California that made sense????  Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 11/14/2012 02:07 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
