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This is the other side of the Palestinian - Israeli conflict the MSM doesn't want you to see! | |
| Rebelucio Offer Upgrade  User ID: 4938108  United States11/16/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bodies for Ballots by: Yousef Munayyer They say when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. But when you are a politician and all you have is a hammer, you must convince voters every problem looks like a nail. This is the only thinking that can explain Israel’s behavior in escalating bombardment of Gaza. The Israeli spin machines are out in full force in the hopes of convincing Israelis and the rest of the world that the attacks on Gaza are in self-defense. But anyone following the situation closely and over time will tell you that cannot be the case. Gaza is a tiny territory where 1.7 million Palestinians, most of whom are refugees, are denied the right to return to their homes simply because they are not Jewish. It is from this besieged territory that militants have fired mostly rudimentary projectiles at Israel. While Israeli officials are quick to rattle off the numbers of projectiles fired from Gaza, rarely do they tell you what they fire into Gaza, what the effects of this fire is and what the fallout from it is. For example, in 2011, the projectiles fired by the Israeli military into Gaza have been responsible for the death of 108 Palestinians, of which 15 where women or children, and the injury of 468 Palestinians, of which 143 where women or children. The methods by which these causalities were inflicted by Israeli projectiles breaks down as follows: 57 percent, or 310, were caused by Israeli aircraft missile fire; 28 percent, or 150, where from Israeli live ammunition; 11 percent, or 59, were from Israeli tank shells; while another 3 percent, or 18, were from Israeli mortar fire. Read the rest here: [link to www.thedailybeast.com] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Assassinating The Chance For Calm by: Gershon Baskin Shortly after the return of Gilad Shalit, I drafted a proposal to the Government of Israel and Hamas to enter into a long term ceasefire arrangement based on the assumption that, for the time being, neither side was interested in engaging in renewed warfare. The assumption was well founded and based on the experience that I gained directly in helping to arrange a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza after the terrorist attack across the Sinai border in August 2011, while the Shalit negotiations were taking place. Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago, the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike against terror cells. Based on Israeli intelligence information, pre-emptive strikes were conducted primarily against cells from the Islamic Jihad and the popular resistance committees. Hamas almost always sat on the sidelines and allowed the other factions in Gaza to shoot their rockets until the price in human life became too high. At that point, Hamas urged the Egyptians to intervene to secure a return to calm. In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the shooting of rockets—but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions, and on itself. Read the rest here: [link to www.thedailybeast.com] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is an interview with the author of the previous article. Israeli Negotiator: Hamas Commander Assassinated Hours After Receiving Israeli Truce Deal This is an interview with an award winning Palestinian Journalist, Mohammed Omer, who is reporting on the Gaza Strip Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline Submitted by Ali Abunimah Today, 3 Israelis were killed as a result of rocket fire from Gaza. This came after Israel had killed 13 Palestinians, including 3 children and a woman, and injured 115, including 26 children and 25 women since yesterday, 14 November. This will be presented by Israel – and sympathetic or careless world media – as another justification for Israel’s attacks on Gaza to stop rocket fire. But this narrative is false. Where there was calm and an effective truce, Israel chose to shatter it, bringing about the current deadly escalation. Read the Timeline here: [link to electronicintifada.net] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A poignant summary of what Israel has done in the last three weeks: [link to angryarab.blogspot.com.br] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is Hamas responsible for Gaza rocket fire? Not exactly. And there could well be more of it without them. By Dan Murphy Israel's air offensive on the Gaza Strip today is a response to rocket fire from the coastal Palestinian enclave. Hamas, which governs the strip, has borne the brunt of the assault. The action began with a missile that targeted Hamas military leader Ahmed Jabari as he drove through Gaza City today (the IDF quickly shared a video of that attack) and was followed by dozens more. Here's how Israeli Ambassador to the US Michael Oren explained the Gaza strikes this afternoon: "The scope of the IDF's defensive operation depends on Hamas and whether it takes the decision to cease firing missiles on our homes." But Hamas has not been the principal one firing the rockets at Israel, at least not lately. Other, smaller militant groups in Gaza like Islamic Jihad and the popular resistance committees in the strip do much of the shooting, though the Al Qassam Brigade that Mr. Jabari headed until his death has taken credit for some attacks in recent weeks. Read the rest here: [link to www.csmonitor.com] Love thy enemy. |
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| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Teacher, Children Among Slain as Gaza Toll Rises No End in Sight as Civilians Feel Impact of War by Jason Ditz The death toll of the Israeli war against the Gaza Strip continues to rise today, with Israeli officials promising a protracted offensive and patting themselves on the back for doing so. And while the war started with the assassination of a Hamas military leader, the more recent deaths suggest the strikes are having a big impact on Gaza’s civilian population. Israeli violence has left 24 dead and 200 wounded in Gaza. A total of three Israelis have died from rocket-fire coming out of Gaza. Marwan Abu El Qumsan, a teacher at a UN school, is among the victims, and the UN has had to close its schools because of the growing attacks. Children were also the victims of Israeli attacks, including the 11-month-old son of BBC editor Jihad Misharawi. Read the rest here: [link to news.antiwar.com] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Israeli peace negotiator Gershon Baskin said Jabari's assassination "killed the possibility of achieving a truce." by John Glaser Just hours before Israel assassinated Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari on Tuesday, he received the draft proposal of a permanent truce agreement with Israel. But Israel approved the airstrike anyways, choosing escalation over resolution. Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped negotiate the release of Gilad Shalit and maintained contacts with Hamas leaders, said the truce agreement included protocols for maintaining a cease-fire in the case of cross-border violence between Israel and Gaza. Baskin told Haaretz that senior officials in Israel knew about the pending truce agreement, but nevertheless approved the assassination, presumably knowing it would terminate the truce and escalate the conflict with Gaza. Read the rest here: [link to news.antiwar.com] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Egypt Torn Between Allies in Gaza and Treaty With Israel Egyptian PM to Visit Besieged Strip by Jason Ditz Traditionally, when Israel launches a protracted military operation against the Gaza Strip, Egyptian officials have worked behind the scenes to negotiate ceasefires as quickly as possible, but have avoiding making any public comments critical of Israel’s war. Since the revolution, things have changed. With the advent of elections in Egypt, popular outrage at Israeli offensives is now a political issue as well. While getting back to a tense ceasefire of some sort seems to be job one, Egypt’s leadership is struggling to balance their interests in improving their relationship with Gaza with keeping the Israeli treaty intact. Read the rest here: [link to news.antiwar.com] Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do people want to skip over discussion on the other side of the issue? Do you not want your views challenged? Do you think that Israel is the 51st state of the union that cannot be touched with criticism? Just let me know what's going on in your heads, especially after reading an article or three of the rest of the story that has been missing for the past few days. Love thy enemy. |
| phoenixe User ID: 27791746  Germany11/16/2012 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thx for this compilation ! if i hope for one thing concerning this war, it´s israel back in it´s borders of 1967 and free gaza, with access to water, medicine and else those poor people are missing due to israel´s zionazis ! |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thx for this compilation ! Quoting: phoenixe if i hope for one thing concerning this war, it´s israel back in it´s borders of 1967 and free gaza, with access to water, medicine and else those poor people are missing due to israel´s zionazis ! Yeah, I just thought GLP was lacking certain parts of the story that might very well switch their ideas about what this whole situation is really about. Love thy enemy. |
| goodmockingbird User ID: 11364251 United States11/16/2012 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think that Israel is the 51st state of the union that cannot be touched with criticism? Quoting: Rebelucio Please do not assume that all Americans support Israel. Many, many of us do not. We are weary and fed up with that parasitic geopolitical entity that keeps dragging us into conflict. Most Americans, however, do not understand the difference between general goodhearted fellow-feeling for Jewish people, as compared to blindly supporting the geopolitical entity called Israel. Most Americans are at least nominally Christian, and confuse the Jewish people of the Bible with the modern citizens of Israel. A lot of Americans picture modern Israelis in robes out tending their sheep under a date palm... with F-16s overhead. In short, American opinion is based upon sentimentality, not geopolitics or history. I Support Our First Responders |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think that Israel is the 51st state of the union that cannot be touched with criticism? Quoting: Rebelucio Please do not assume that all Americans support Israel. Many, many of us do not. We are weary and fed up with that parasitic geopolitical entity that keeps dragging us into conflict. Most Americans, however, do not understand the difference between general goodhearted fellow-feeling for Jewish people, as compared to blindly supporting the geopolitical entity called Israel. Most Americans are at least nominally Christian, and confuse the Jewish people of the Bible with the modern citizens of Israel. A lot of Americans picture modern Israelis in robes out tending their sheep under a date palm... with F-16s overhead. In short, American opinion is based upon sentimentality, not geopolitics or history. I don't have any reason to assume that all Americans support Israel. I am an American, born and raised. I am commenting on the level of credence given to threads that support Israel on this site. I understand what you're talking about with the rest of what you say, I don't necessarily believe it because most of my family supports Israel, and they know they're as developed as any other European country. Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Israeli Officials Talk Long War in Gaza, Prepare Invasion Invasion Troops Mass as Israel Calls Up Reservists by Jason Ditz Tanks and armored vehicles poured into southern Israel today while busloads of soldiers were brought to the front, as a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, the first since early 2009, seems to be coming closer. Air strikes have been a virtual constant against the tiny strip over the past day, with large numbers of civilian casualties and Israeli officials talking up the idea that the attacks are just the beginning. Read the rest of the article here: [link to news.antiwar.com] Love thy enemy. |
| goodmockingbird User ID: 11364251 United States11/16/2012 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't have any reason to assume that all Americans support Israel. I am an American, born and raised. I am commenting on the level of credence given to threads that support Israel on this site. Quoting: Rebelucio *shrug* Apparently the site owner is a Christian, and a supporter of the the state of Israel. It's a private business, run for profit, and he can promote his ideology all he wants. Pro-Israel threads get pinned by the mods, even super-pinned, while informational threads like this fall off the page. Updated to add -- I spent some karma points and green pinned it for you. Last Edited by goodmockingbird on 11/16/2012 03:46 PM I Support Our First Responders |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1570311 United States11/16/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Israeli Officials Talk Long War in Gaza, Prepare Invasion Quoting: Rebelucio Invasion Troops Mass as Israel Calls Up Reservists by Jason Ditz Tanks and armored vehicles poured into southern Israel today while busloads of soldiers were brought to the front, as a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, the first since early 2009, seems to be coming closer. Air strikes have been a virtual constant against the tiny strip over the past day, with large numbers of civilian casualties and Israeli officials talking up the idea that the attacks are just the beginning. Read the rest of the article here: [link to news.antiwar.com] Are you that stupid?? Israel was getting hit with rockets from Gaza. That was the provocation for Israel's response. If Israel was left alone, they would not be bombing Gaza. Israel's superior Military power does not mean they are the agressors. They just have the ability to kick the crap out of the idiots dumb enough to pick a fight with them. They have the right to defend their land and use as much force as they feel is necessary. |
| EyE Of The Sparrow User ID: 9840520 United States11/16/2012 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CAREFUL this Thread might bring THE ZIONIST SHILLS Fat Albert, and subzero86    [The scouts path is a double edge sword] "Know Thy Self" "Thinking is but a movement of the past meeting the present" "Only through discipline can one gain freedom" "The pursuit of the external divides the internal" "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" \Glutton for the truth/ |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Israeli Officials Talk Long War in Gaza, Prepare Invasion Quoting: Rebelucio Invasion Troops Mass as Israel Calls Up Reservists by Jason Ditz Tanks and armored vehicles poured into southern Israel today while busloads of soldiers were brought to the front, as a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, the first since early 2009, seems to be coming closer. Air strikes have been a virtual constant against the tiny strip over the past day, with large numbers of civilian casualties and Israeli officials talking up the idea that the attacks are just the beginning. Read the rest of the article here: [link to news.antiwar.com] Are you that stupid?? Israel was getting hit with rockets from Gaza. That was the provocation for Israel's response. If Israel was left alone, they would not be bombing Gaza. Israel's superior Military power does not mean they are the agressors. They just have the ability to kick the crap out of the idiots dumb enough to pick a fight with them. They have the right to defend their land and use as much force as they feel is necessary. Are you that dense? How about read some of the articles I posted and get the bigger picture here. Love thy enemy. |
| Rebelucio (OP) User ID: 4938108 United States11/16/2012 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't have any reason to assume that all Americans support Israel. I am an American, born and raised. I am commenting on the level of credence given to threads that support Israel on this site. Quoting: Rebelucio *shrug* Apparently the site owner is a Christian, and a supporter of the the state of Israel. It's a private business, run for profit, and he can promote his ideology all he wants. Pro-Israel threads get pinned by the mods, even super-pinned, while informational threads like this fall off the page. Updated to add -- I spent some karma points and green pinned it for you. Thanks for the pin! Love thy enemy. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27893232  Australia11/16/2012 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we are getting some of those facts via msm. like the fact israel killed three palestinian boys playing football in the days prior to their assassination of the hamas leader, who was negotiating scaling down of violence after hamas conducted a retaliatory attack on israeli soldiers. much media here reports gaza rockets as return fire on israeli agression israel was also caught red handed using stolen australian passports in a terrorist style assassination only 18 months ago. |
| Hammertime User ID: 26663869 United States11/16/2012 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do people want to skip over discussion on the other side of the issue? Do you not want your views challenged? Quoting: Rebelucio Do you think that Israel is the 51st state of the union that cannot be touched with criticism? Just let me know what's going on in your heads, especially after reading an article or three of the rest of the story that has been missing for the past few days. Here is the way I look at this situation:: Lets say I am a successful white guy living in the City, I moved to a neighborhood where I am the only white guy on the block, it is an all black neighborhood and they don't take kindly to the white man (they have been at war for over 2000 yrs.) After living there for a year I have had rocks thrown through my windows, my tires slashed, jumped and mugged and have racial comments directed at me on a daily basis (death to the white boy and shit like that). Now mind you, I have a full arsenal of weapons in my possession and can destroy all the blacks on my block in seconds. Now when I have had enough of the harassment and want to retaliate the blacks run home and hide in there closets while there family/children have to cover for them. The only way I can stop these fuckers from messing with me is to go into there homes after them. Unfortunately because they decided to hide in there homes, there are innocent civilian casualties. The black people on the block that don't have a problem with the white man, should not allow the bad black guys to hide in there homes. They should stand up and openly not condone this type of behavior and disband them from the block. Now if they do not do that, that makes me think that they do condone this behavior. Hey I from New York and that is the best way I think I can come up with a comparison, not living in the Middle East. To each is own... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27895972 United States11/16/2012 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do people want to skip over discussion on the other side of the issue? Do you not want your views challenged? Quoting: Rebelucio Do you think that Israel is the 51st state of the union that cannot be touched with criticism? Just let me know what's going on in your heads, especially after reading an article or three of the rest of the story that has been missing for the past few days. Here is the way I look at this situation:: Lets say I am a successful white guy living in the City, I moved to a neighborhood where I am the only white guy on the block, it is an all black neighborhood and they don't take kindly to the white man (they have been at war for over 2000 yrs.) After living there for a year I have had rocks thrown through my windows, my tires slashed, jumped and mugged and have racial comments directed at me on a daily basis (death to the white boy and shit like that). Now mind you, I have a full arsenal of weapons in my possession and can destroy all the blacks on my block in seconds. Now when I have had enough of the harassment and want to retaliate the blacks run home and hide in there closets while there family/children have to cover for them. The only way I can stop these fuckers from messing with me is to go into there homes after them. Unfortunately because they decided to hide in there homes, there are innocent civilian casualties. The black people on the block that don't have a problem with the white man, should not allow the bad black guys to hide in there homes. They should stand up and openly not condone this type of behavior and disband them from the block. Now if they do not do that, that makes me think that they do condone this behavior. Hey I from New York and that is the best way I think I can come up with a comparison, not living in the Middle East. Good comparison! +1 |
| oO User ID: 27894284 Aruba11/16/2012 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do people want to skip over discussion on the other side of the issue? Do you not want your views challenged? Quoting: Rebelucio Do you think that Israel is the 51st state of the union that cannot be touched with criticism? Just let me know what's going on in your heads, especially after reading an article or three of the rest of the story that has been missing for the past few days. Here is the way I look at this situation:: Lets say I am a successful white guy living in the City, I moved to a neighborhood where I am the only white guy on the block, it is an all black neighborhood and they don't take kindly to the white man (they have been at war for over 2000 yrs.) After living there for a year I have had rocks thrown through my windows, my tires slashed, jumped and mugged and have racial comments directed at me on a daily basis (death to the white boy and shit like that). Now mind you, I have a full arsenal of weapons in my possession and can destroy all the blacks on my block in seconds. Now when I have had enough of the harassment and want to retaliate the blacks run home and hide in there closets while there family/children have to cover for them. The only way I can stop these fuckers from messing with me is to go into there homes after them. Unfortunately because they decided to hide in there homes, there are innocent civilian casualties. The black people on the block that don't have a problem with the white man, should not allow the bad black guys to hide in there homes. They should stand up and openly not condone this type of behavior and disband them from the block. Now if they do not do that, that makes me think that they do condone this behavior. Hey I from New York and that is the best way I think I can come up with a comparison, not living in the Middle East. You forgot a tiny little detail..you being the white jew i presume. You decide that after a while the blacks dont take care of their houses and decide to take on of theirs and claim it as your own. Little by little you force them out of their own properties. Now they get mad...? And they start to demand their land back..first peacefully and with some help of outside negotiators(lets say they are yellow) Still you decide to push your efforts to claim more houses on the block. There ya go...now it resembles this conflict Have a nice day and take care Peace |
