I have to take a drug test to get a job! So why dont the bums sucking off my taxes have to take a drug test to get thier welfare?

Well,,lets see...beer has killed far more people than pot...beer is legal...have a few at the bar you DROVE to...kill someone in a traffic accident...no drug test for the undercover alcoholics in the work place who don't have to take a test...yea its fair test em all

first of all, stop thinking thatyour tax dollars go to social programs, because they DONT. YOUR TAX DOLLARS GO BACK TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE TO PAY BACK ACCUMULATED INTEREST. DIDNT YOU KNOW AMERICA "BORROWS" THEIR MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

Secondly Methamphetamine, which is the main drug that is used by homeless addicts, is purged from your system in 3 days! Try to catch a math addict with a dirty test. good luck.The main demographic that will be affected are the medical/casual marijuana users, since it stays in your system for 30 days, crack/cocaine 30 days as well.

Long story short, bitching about issues that you dont even understand does nothing to help your situation. You are only spreading hate and confusion.

Florida’s welfare drug testing costs more than it saves [link to www.rawstory.com]

The findings — that only 108 of the 4,086 people who took a drug test failed — [link to www.tampabay.com]

Why do you even give the money or coupons, just have them go to a central soup kitchen.

They need some place to stay?
Central sleeping halls.

Also they want to make sure you're not a bum.

Umm..

So you're going to check to see if people are healed and connected with nature?

Then fire them and put them on the streets if they are?

Thanks Satan, Hell burns, but the eternal anal sex is great.

Or so you say.

And it didn't change any thing anyway.

Lol. It couldn't. Dumbasses.

*changes drug laws*

*butterflies and rainbows fill the skies*


More like.

*changes drug laws*

*your children are cannon fodder and profit*

They check for a natural plant that stays in our systems for up to a month. They never check for man made poisons such as Prozac, morphine or some other mind destroying poison they put together in a lab. They love watching everyone slaving for a green peace of paper they created while taking their man made poisons they create in a lab.

People should be more concerned with the GMO food that is sold in every store, or the tainted water that comes from the tap. People don't seem to even notice the air is tainted with all types of shit these days. Everyone loves to fight over what other people do instead of what the puppet masters are doing to them.

Peace

The bums making up these stupid laws should also have to take these tests.

If I was going to hire someone, I sure wouldnt want them doing drugs.. That would be very irresponsible. For the record people on welfare that do have jobs do get drug tests.

When I made that post I was under the impression that the OP was writing about bums in the street; homeless people. I don't think anyone should be made to live in the streets.

Not really , you have to think of the amount you save in not give out so much welfare.

You would kick 65% of the losers off the government handout in the first month with random testing.The random testing should apply for anyone within a household residence that receives the welfare.If found that people lie on applications,about people living within a resident address of welfare hand outs recipient. It should be a third degree felony.

Drugs test are only $65 dollars, you make the person with a failed test not eligible to sign up again for 1 year.

Any criminal drug charge should deny them reentry to the program for the rest of their life.

Have random testing for anyone already in the program. This allows them not to get clean. Same day call in drug testing.If they refuse to test they lose their benefits.

It would save millions.

The government knows that if they drug tested the welfare suckers, the majority would lose their bennies.

ALL tests should FIRST be applied to the authorities who put this kind of bullshit in place before ANYTHING that affects WE THE PEOPLE is authorized.

All kinds of political/economic systems can be made to look good on paper. But as soon as CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS work there way into pivotal positions in ANY system, failure of that system becomes a possibility.
So far, throughout history, nearly every society has run into that problem and failed because of it.
This is mainly because those who first institute a system fail to completely safeguard against corruption.

Proper safeguarding may be possible, in which case many different systems are likely equally viable.
So there needn't be a single, global system.

Within any system there can never be complete, 100% equality between all of the necessary divisions of implementation. To maintain orderly function there necessarily has to be positions that come with power to wield authority over criminal, disruptively antisocial, truly subversive or "insane" behavior. And then there needs to be a mechanism to wield authority over those positions and so on.

The problem always come down to accountability and transparency.
When a system has holes in accountability and transparency there will be opportunities for corruption and failure.

So, the first order of business in the implementation of a system has to be ensuring that every action taken...every day...every hour...every minute if deemed necessary of ANYONE who is in a position of authority must be accounted for and made completely available to EVERYBODY.
It should be understood that any person willing to fill positions of authority must also be willing to do so in the complete open. And compensation for their service should be commensurate with this sacrifice of privacy.

Call it a Transparentocracy.
Instead of the government turning surveillance on the populace, the populace must have complete surveillance on the government.
And in the case of a system that incorporates profit motive in its economic framework (which leads to a ladder of greater and greater financial authority to those who perform best) the level of transparency should increase with each step up the ladder. You want to be rich? You have to lead a more transparent life. The question "if you have nothing to hide then you should have no problem being surveilled...right?" is often asked of the populace by the authorities today. It should be asked OF the authorities BY the populace.
You want to drug test people? You should then be willing to undergo even closer scutiny for yourself.

When I use the words "position of authority" I am not applying it in punitive sense. I mean it as any position in which one is responsible to AUTHORIZE an action taken by the system or is beyond a certain threshold of economic activity that affects more than a person's private life. The threshold could be any position with the authority to hire or fire more than 10 people, or the authority to decide on pay scales within a company...etc.
A "Transparentocracy" therefore would not be controlling the decisions (whereas socialism and communism DOES) but it would ensure that these decisions are made completely openly by people who have demonstrated (by their level of willingness to lead ever increasingly transparent lives) their honesty and sincerity.
THESE people would very naturally become role models and be upheld as good citizens instead of what we see today where the corrupt rich control the media and use it to falsely portray themselves as "the cream of the crop" to be almost worshipped. (This actually started during the Great Depression when nearly every movie made revolved around characters who lived obscenely opulently and were always shown to be "pillars of society" when nothing could have been further from the truth)

Schooling would also play an important part by adopting teaching approaches that foster openness and participation.

It shouldn't take a revolution to start a "Transparentocracy". Right now it could start within our own system in the US using legal mechanisms already in place.
What IS needed would be to make this idea part of public discourse.
Now that we have the interwebs...it shouldn't really be that difficult to spread.
If it catches on, hopefully, the complete structure of a Transparentocracy can be an open source project in order to refine it and build viable details into it.
There can be blueprints for a Democratic Transparentocracy or a Social Transparentocracy or possibly even a Communal Transparentocracy developed.
Or a blend of any number of philosophical approaches to government.
It's an idea.


Communist China blurs from hard-line communism to a hybrid of capitalism and very authoritative but much less hard-line communism...moving slowly along the scale toward socialism.

In the US, a democratic republic has been blurred from highly capitalistic to a hybrid of capitalism and very authoritative socialism.

Europe is so incredibly obviously a flat out hybrid of capitalism and very authoritative socialistic entity.

In all 3 cases, the authoritative nature of these systems remained as a consistent component while all other original components were reconfigured.

A transparentocracy can fully address the problem since it directly reconfigures the component of "authority" into one that is no longer the weakest link.
The idea of a transparentocracy brings the perspective that the REAL class "struggle" is between those with authority and those under authority. The same authorities have been imposing these systems on everyone for quite a few centuries now. They definitely ignore the lack of attention that's ever really paid toward the authority component of all these systems because....well, you know.

It's obvious that at the stage "civilization" has now reached, a Transparentocracy is likely the best way forward. Once the Authority problem is taken care of, the Communism/Socialism/Democracy/Republic/etc details will be incredibly easy to iron out.

why? because who would hire a pothead or a junkie?

and she probably a drug addict bitch that also sells her food stamps for money. fucking legs spread open poping out kids bitch. damn free loader bum bitch!

that is the only fact-based and non-emotional argument I've seen here

If states have tried it and there is no cost benefit to it, then that is valuable information

Just another good reason to legalize weed, maybe even other drugs and tax them...cuz even if welfare recipients did spend their money on drugs, it would come right back to the state in taxes

WINNING!

People didn't like it when they started enforcing child support either , but they got use to it.

People receiving child support should also have random drug testing forced by the state. If they aren't fit because of drug use , remove the child and give it to the paying parent.

Most women receiving child support are on welfare , but when i child is involved random alcohol testing should be required as well.

Your problem is with the lawyers(liars) and the MegaCorps. They want you angry at the other little guy, instead of seeing that they set you up and sold you out.

So long as you show up and do your job it's exactly no ones business what you may do in your own time.

That was a stupid program to begin with , Most youth athletes don't use drugs.All the cost of athletics for the most part are paid for by parents.Everything else is part of the school curriculum.Its like telling the science fair kids they need to be drug tested before they show their inventions.

Drug abuse is an issue. Drug use is not. If you believe it is, why so?

Testing for alcohol too? What are you smoking that makes you think it's your business what they're doing? Sounds dangerously close to something like China's forced abortions.

You need to cut the dose if you think everybody on welfare is on the street!!!!!!!

They just did this in FL, 98% passed. Not hard to pass either. If doing hard drugs, just stop for 2 days, and if it's cannabis you just drink enough water to dilute it.

Because they are in charge now

Drug use is abuse when you have a child.
The user don't know they are addicted, and psychotic.
They have random sex , bring children into the world. Then they deny them the right to a family life with birth mother and father.

Even if pot are made legal , it should still be enforced as a no use drug when it comes to children and welfare.

On the street? Haven't you heard of HUD or Section 8. Loads and loads of benefit recipients have not only tax-payer supplied roofs over their heads, but late model vehicles, Obamaphones, free healthcare (Here in Oregon it's far better than most employer provided health plans), free firewood/heating pellets/electricity & gas vouchers the list goes on and on. Now I'm sure the programs and bene's available vary widely depending on how liberal you're state is, but I would highly encourage people, especially working people to seriously look into just how different kinds of entitlements from the frivolous to the essential are offered to each of us and our neighbors. But, beware, might come out completely discouraged from ever wanting to work a day again.

Welfare should absolutely come with drug testing. Welfare should absolutely have a limit of time a person can collect. Welfare in Mexico should NOT be paid by American taxpayers. Welfare should no longer provide anyone with the means to live a comfortable life. Welfare should NEVER be paid to any person who cannot prove beyond a doubt their citizenship here in the USA.

As long as it doesn't directly affect me, people can take whatever they want. Of course, I'm in favor of eliminating welfare altogether. So my motto is "use all the drugs you can afford with no help from me or anyone else to afford them". Sound fair?

Government want the people on drugs to psychologically neuter them into submission. Companies want a safety record.

Simple, don't fall for the shill complication.

I like it

Just piss in the cup already. As long as you're not on drugs you have nothing to worry about! That's the problem with society today; we are all worried about everyone else. Worry about yourself and you'll be fine.

I work 60 hours a week and STILL don't make enough to support my family, and yes, I get some food stamp assistance. I'm not proud of it but I admit it. By the way, I don't smoke, drink OR take drugs so stop generalizing everyone into one category. If I'm a bum then you are a useless piece of shit only concerned about themselves!

I despise people like you. I have no drug testing in my job and I have to smoke daily to help from shaking because I have Parkinson's. Read up on medical MJ.