people are no longer buying the tired old "defense" line

Ha ha ha. You pretend to know who fired first, or indeed, know anything at all about the inner workings of the conflict, because you watch the TV news.

Ha ha ha. You funny guy.

I didn't pretend anything. I stated a fact.

Maybe they should try it...

I see there is no trying to argue logic with you. Palestine was not just the Gaza strip before the fake jews arrived. The entire area we know of as Israel was once all occupied by Palestine. And it was taken by force.

You are still thinking single minded here and completely missing the point.

There are some very interesting pics in this link
[link to fasttimesinpalestine.wordpress.com]

This is what the map of Palestine used to look like
[link to www.google.com]

Look familiar? I think they may have a right to be a lil bit pissed off.

Last Edited by DoubleHelix on 11/19/2012 05:18 PM

I told you not to bother Resister. You presented facts that were inconvenient to the posters beliefs, so instead of responding to what you said, it was ignored.

Just as I said...

The name Palestine was given to the area by Rome as an insult to Israel which it had conquered because it was the Latin derivation of Israel’s enemies the Philistines. They did the same thing for what today is the Northern coastline of the continent of we know as Africa. The Romans renamed it in honor of the general who conquered it, Sipio Africanus.

My point still stands. Call the area whatever you want. Israel controls it again now and the people who are attacking them from Gaza are paying the price for their continued attacks.

Last Edited by Resister on 11/19/2012 05:32 PM

You are right. I was just feeling a little cantankerous.

Nice word drop.

The info is there for anyone to assess on their own.

Belive what you want :P

I made my point

Peace

On March 31, 1977 in the Dutch newspaper Trouw, in an interview with PLO executive committee member, Zahir Muhsein said:

“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, ‘Palestinians’, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.”

[link to gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk]

As Ion Mihai Pacepa, onetime director of the Romanian espionage service (DIE), later explained, the PLO was conceived at a time when the KGB was creating “liberation front” organizations throughout the Third world. Others included the National Liberation Army of Bolivia, created in 1964 with help from Ernesto “Che” Guevara, and the National Liberation Army of Colombia, created in 1965 with help from Fidel Castro. But the PLO was the KGB’s most enduring achievement.

In 1964, the first PLO Council, consisting of 422 Palestinian representatives handpicked by the KGB, approved the Soviet blueprint for a Palestinian National Charter—a document drafted in Moscow—and made Ahmad Shukairy, the KGB’s agent of influence, the first PLO chairman. The Romanian intelligence service was given responsibility for providing the PLO with logistical support. Except for the arms, which were supplied by the KGB and the East German Stasi, everything, according to Ion Pacepa, “came from Bucharest. Even the PLO uniforms and the PLO stationery were manufactured in Romania free of charge, as a ‘comradely help.’ During those years, two Romanian cargo planes filled with goodies for the PLO landed in Beirut every week.”

The PLO came on the scene at a critical moment in Middle East history. At the Khartoum conference held shortly after the Six-Day war, the defeated and humiliated Arab states confronted the “new reality” of an Israel that seemed unbeatable in conventional warfare. The participants of the conference decided, among other things, to continue the war against Israel as what today would be called a “low intensity conflict.” The PLO’s Fatah forces were perfect to carry out this mission.

The Soviets not only armed and trained Palestinian terrorists but also used them to arm and train other professional terrorists by the thousands. The International Department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (CPSU), the Soviet Security Police (KGB), and Soviet Military Intelligence (GRU) all played major roles in this effort. From the late 1960s onwards, moreover, the PLO maintained contact with other terror groups—some of them neo-Nazi and extreme right-wing groups—offering them support and supplies, training and funding.


[link to archive.frontpagemag.com]

In the PLO’s original founding Charter (or Covenant), Article 24 states:

“this Organization does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the west Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, in the Gaza Strip or the Himmah area.” For Arafat, “Palestine” was not the west Bank or the Gaza Strip, which after 1948 belonged to other Arab states. The only “homeland” for the PLO in 1964 was the State of Israel.

However, in response to the Six-Day war and Arafat’s mentoring by the Soviets and their allies, the PLO revised its Charter on July 17, 1968, to remove the language of Article 24, thereby newly asserting a “Palestinian” claim of sovereignty to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Part of the reframing of the conflict, along with adopting the identity of an “oppressed people” and “victim of colonialism,” then, was the creation, ex nihilo, of “historic Palestine” and the ancient “Palestinian people” who had lived in their “homeland” from “time immemorial,” who could trace their “heritage” back to the Canaanites, who were forced from their homeland by the Zionists, and who had the inalienable right granted by international law and universal justice to use terror to reclaim their national identity and political self-determination.



[link to gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk]

Looks like the Israelis like to launch rockets at themselves to give them an excuse to murder more children.

11 so far or just yesterday?

Murdering children is never right and no excuse is sufficient. I feel sorry for their doomed Satan worshiping spirits.

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