There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

It's so interesting to see the debates and arguments going on here, on this forum, is on such a small scale. Yet the foundation of these arguments/debates are EXACTLY what the foundation of the arguments/debates that Palestine and Israel are exchanging.

Makes you wonder that if you can take the foundations of two sides of an argument so large that it's: causing war, causing innocent people to die, forcing people to leave their home/country, etc. and boil it down to the small entity that is GLP where everyone thinks what they think is right; maybe we should all just stop and think.

We are arguing the same thing that these two "countries" (you know why it's in quotes :P) are arguing about, yet we aren't killing people or going to war. Why does it have to come down to that?

I don't know. I'm not siding with either of them because I just don't know the WHOLE story. I'm just talking my mind and hopefully what I said makes sense.

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With the logic you are portraying in this topic OP you could say that the Normans/vikings can reclaim the US saying it was Norwegian before.

Of course you will simply deny any Indians were living there ever.

FINALLY! Someone who has studied some legit history! Bless you!

Yes, that argument could be made. However, before the Vikings and the Irish, there were the Romans, and possibly the Chinese.

As to the Indians, who did they steal this land from and massacre? There were prior inhabitants. And the Indians, themselves in their oral histories acknowledge that as well as the Indian genocide of those prior inhabitants.

Just listen to him. If you don't believe a word he says, go do the research yourself. Jews lived side by side with Palestinians prior 1948. And then, Palestine had Sharia law. Jews had no problem as they were treated as equal.
Let us not forget, Christians were the ones persecuting Jews for century upon century, not Muslims.

Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.

Just debating here. But if it was renamed "Palestine" in 135 AD that gives the Jewish people right to overtake the land because they used to own it over 2,000 years ago?

That just seems silly to me.

Going by certain GLPers logic then, it still belongs to Palestinians...

People are saying '... conquered it so it's theirs'. I disagree with this, however this is how many 'Pro-Israeli's' are saying which completely contradicts the fact that Jews were conquered beforehand.

It's all a bullshit circle. Why not just live peacefully?
Before the Jews emigrated to Palestine, the Jews already there lived peacefully among Muslims.

Even now, there are many cities that have Muslims and Jews living side by side. How hard can it bloody be?

Darlin' at one time there were no Californians or New Yorkers, either, but there is history in this and we would not like being displaced.

It's really silly all around.

That means Native Americans can kick all you other Americans out. Italy (Rome) can take over all of Europe, North Africa, much of West Asia. Turkey can conquer North Africa, parts of Asia and Europe. China can conquer east Asia.

If Israel can do it, they should as well. They owned it thousands of years ago.

there have been three Israel's Dipshit dumbfuck!!

True. Borders are imaginary lines on a map created by military commanders and political leaders in order to control everyone and inspire "patriotism" in order to wage wars. We are all one human race and we also all live on the same chunk of rock doing hulu hoops around the sun.

The period the Bible covers has it the other way around and after that we (Christians) persecuted everybody even ourselves when no common enemy could be found and that hasn't changed all that much even today. We are not anti-Semitic we are anti-life (more or less)

I believe in most of the bible. My mom being Catholic use to say to us "What if some conspirator actually wrote the bible as a story and us idiots are following it." Not to derail any ones religion, I don't care what you follow, as long as you can get along with your neighbor and be a good pillar to any society you live in.

great post.
thanks.

OP are you Jewish ?
Are you married to a Jew ?
Do you have Jewish friends ?

What is your agenda here ?

SO many people have brought up this point in this thread alone, and yet Carshy McGee or whatever refuses to actually sit with that idea.

The first person who mentioned it, he told them to create their OWN thread. Then I mentioned it, and he tried to joke about it a little bit. No reply yet to the others who have mentioned it (although he did say he was leaving to go enjoy Thanksgiving).



The point is more valid than any other part of this argument.


If the Zionists have a right to kick all Arabs out of the newly (1948) created state of Israel, and the Gaza strip, because thousands of years ago a group of people who they may, or may NOT be related to, once occupied it.....then so too should the Native Americans be able to kick all other settlers out of the US.

His argument then says "well, the native americans dont have any land deeds! The arabs don't either!"

That simple, childish thinking alone is his justification for war and murder?



Anyway you slice it, this WHOLE thread was created for him to insult people who don't agree with his beliefs. He has tried every method in the book of belittling them. It is so silly, lol.


Neither are "entitled" to the land. Nobody is entitled to shit in this world, some people just have bigger weapons than others. Isn't that honestly just the case?

ROFLMAO!

Ask your Mom (or yourself) if God is giving us the area of dry land on the planet in these two verses.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

This seal prophecy covers the 5th and 6th trumps, 5 is hell on earth and 6 is death because 1/3 of mankind will bite the dust in 1110 days.

Let's keep him entertained on this thread so the children are spared his interaction. lol ..... wait that would sort of apply to me also

Hold on a sec.... some refer to Herodotus because in the discipline of ancient history, one studies the written past from the beginning of recorded human history to the Early Middle Ages, of which Herodotus is one of the more notable ancient writers.

Herodotus 3.5.1 clearly states in the 5th Century BC:

"the country from Phoenicia to the borders of the city Cadytis [Gaza] belongs to the people called the Palestine Syrians"
(Ref: Perseus for the Greek/Rawlinson translation

and

"The Phenicians and the Syrians who dwell in Palestine"

(Ref: Macauley translation

When Emperor Hadrian renamed Provincia Judea to Provincia Syria Palaestina, did he just pull that name out of a hat? or was he referring to an already, historically known name for the region? Historians do not believe he pulled it out of a hat.

His intent was to "wipe out all traces of the jews"? Is that on record somewhere?

Kismet

Well, finally the truth will out!
If the UN has the authority to give Palestinian lands away to the Zionists maybe Americans had better start learning to speak the language of the Sioux or Cherokee or any of the tribes that were here first. Shall we wait for the destruction of our vineyards, orchards and agricultural land as was done in that supposedly "uninhabited" land. Of course people don't inhabit their vinyards and groves, they were used for production...like we don't inhabit our corn fields and wheat fields. Oops no body living there so now they're not your's they're mine. Check the agriculural statistics of the land in the years preceding the Zionist's
establishment. This should tell you whether or not the land was inhabited, and by whom. Yes, Jews, Arabs and Christians inhabited the land together mostly in peace until the Political Zionists (not the real Jewish people) decided they would take the land for their own. They have been intent on obliterating the Palestinians ever since.

again, if you believe and live by this to better yourself so be it, which you quoting this obvious you're living and waiting for death instead of celebrating life. The bible has been written and rewritten into so many languages and by different people with their own take, whether it is truth or to F'n scare you into what would happen. Give me a break. You still have some Indians somewhere in the world that needs to be educated by your belief and become instinct. All religions have one thing, live together in peace, not to die by it. If you really want to go there, what of all the people that have died before being educated on religion, are their souls in hell because you didn't rescue them?

Actually a handful of Torahless religious elite were complicit to the death of Mashiyach, but it was done by the Roman/babel government.

Please remember, the original followers of Yeshua were Torah observant Yehudim.

Also, the Mashiyach gave his life for mankind. Technically, it was NOT taken. Plus, Mashiyach rose from the dead, conquering death for ALL peoples and triumphing over hasatan, the Torahless elite, and the system of babel.

Shalom,
Eliyah Ben Yisrael

I beg to differ with you, in my family bible which predates world war 2 there is a country labeled Palestine where Israel is now.
As far as I am concerned the religious aspect of it and who was left what in the "bible" has absolutely nothing to do with the present day.

If we want to return everyone to where they originated the jews would have to leave and I am afraid to have tell you the Palestinians you claim don't exist would take back the land called Israel. The Palestinians are the true native people and the Ashkenazim have absolutely no legitimatize claim to that land. This argument is so stupid I can't believe anyone has the audacity to write history the way they want it to sound. The area has went by many names throughout history but never Israel until post ww2. There was never this continuous conflict in the area until the Russian and European jews stole the land. This area of the world is important to all three of the religions derived from Judaism and all of them should have equal unfettered access and rights throughout the 'holyland'. The problem is caused by the Ashkenazim, who are Khazar imposters and have no business whatsoever being in Palestine.

Now if you want to fight a real moral battle of right and wrong perhaps instead of concentrating on the poor oppressed jews and their fucking twisted fairy tales, maybe you should put some honest thought into the millions of Native Americans in our own country that got screwed out of their land because Washington DC did not honor it's treaties and simply stole the land and committed genocide.

Then when you get done thinking about that, think about the millions of Russians exterminated by the Bolshevik jews and the inquisitions, and all of the people who have been murdered or oppressed because religion makes people think they are special. The jews know they aren't god's chosen people, you know that don't you?.

They are squatters. They can leave any time they wish.
They do not deserve to be treated as anything but trespassers.

They came from Mars.
Anyone can make up any bullshit and post it.
Or you can cite facts, like I and others have.