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Evidence that crop circles are man made.

 
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Much more information here: [link to www.bltresearch.com]

MAGNETIC MATERIAL IN SOILS

In 1993 a crop formation at Cherhill, England was discovered in which some of the epicenter plants were coated with an iron "glaze," composed of fused particles of apparent meteoritic origin. This coating consisted of comingled iron oxides (hematite and magnetite) fused into a heterogeneous mass, which was actually embedded in some of the plant tissue.

This crop formation formed during the annual August Perseids meteor shower. Levengood and Burke hypothesize (see "Semi-Molten Meteoric Iron Associated with a Crop Formation" [link to www.bltresearch.com] that microscopic particles of meteoric dust (which are filtering toward earth constantly as meteors burn upon entering the earth's atmosphere, and which would be more abundant during an actual meteor shower) were drawn into the descending plasma system by the strong magnetic fields known to be associated with plasmas, then heated to a molten state by the microwaves (also known to be associated with plasma systems) prior to impact with the earth's surface.

After this 1993 discovery, regular soil sampling was instituted at most crop circles sampled by the BLT Team. Subsequently, tiny 10-40 micron diameter spheres (and/or partially ablated particles) of unusually pure iron have been regularly found in soils from crop circle sites. Sometimes clusters of these very small, perfectly spherical, magnetic particles are found; sometimes larger spheres (40-50 microns in diameter), which are strongly magnetic, are discovered adhering to bits of soil covered, or inter-mixed, with a partially-melted glaze of the same material.

Most often these magnetized spherical particles are found clustered around, or just outside, the perimeters of circular crop formations, suggesting that centrifugal force from a spinning vortex is distributing this material to the edges of the formations. We have seen cases, however, where the major deposition of this material is in the soil at the centers of the circles, the amounts then dropping off toward the perimeters. And we have instances where the magnetic material is deposited linearly, usually in increasing amounts as one samples out toward the perimeters of the circles, again suggesting a rotating force as the distribution agent.
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"Idol you are gettin worst at debunking every day that pass."

I will take that as a compliment, Roman.
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"One of the US Universities...it may have been Michigan, did a study to verify this and fuond that a significant proportion of crop circles were in fact unexplainable due to the presence of both radiation and heat-induced explosions of the nodules in the plant stems."

One university? What about the rest of the scientific community?
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Back in 2003, maybe 04, some students at MIT did a crop circle experiment where they had 4 hours to make a “real” crop circle. They set up a lab in an RV next to the field and went to work once it was dark.

Once they formed the circle (using night vision goggles to help them see in the dark), they had to deal with the altered molecular structure of the plant, the iron content in the soil, etc. Using particle projectors, portable microwave units and explosives, they came close re-creating a “real” crop circle. Their professors gave them a B+ for their experiment. By the by, they barely beat their time limit of 4 hours (I think it was only by about 20 seconds, or so).

Now, the question must be asked – Do you think the crop circle hoaxers are running around Wiltshire, etc. carrying particle projectors, portable microwave units and setting off explosives in order to dupe people into believing that there is a mystery at work here?
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Has the 'rest of scientific community' conducted an actualy study, attending many crop circles in person over a number of years and then analysing the samples taken from the site? If they have done so then let me know. What I see is the orthodox scienctific community tends to try to explain these things away without daining to dirty their hands by actually conducting a study. perhaps we should at least give consideration when a study is done. Had the study shown that ALL crop circles were DEFINITELY man made, you would be the first to quote it Ms. Lodi.
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"Anyone that has done any even little amount of research about this knows damn well many of the larger and complex crop circles were not created stomping on boards in a field."

[link to www.circlemakers.org] They show how to do it. Read it, please.

"Where the plants were bent have nodes on them"

Trauma found in the tissues.

"and they continue to grow sideways as they would grow upwards."

They grow sometimes after the event, but phototropism soon takes place.

" The unexplained circles are matted down and interwoven in a very precise pattern."

I have never seen one.

"There is so much more to crop circles than you can ever imagine Idol. Do your homework and go to a library and read some books for goodness sakes. The hoaxers can only fool the idiots and shills I guess. Anybody that used to claim they were a male fits that category perfectly. Who's the hoaxer now?"

Will you comment on the facts or perform ad hominem attacks?
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02/01/2006 01:12 PM
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Check my post above Idol, there's much info about plant anomalies and other stuff, found through serious researches.
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This thread is a hoax...as are most Idol posts.
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"Curious...Idol, do you believe in the possibility that Extraterrestrial Life, whether it is primitive, or superior, may indeed exist in our vast Universe?"

Yes, I do.

"MOST crop circles are man-made hoaxes ......however, there are a good number of circles, and patterns which remain unsolved, and not easily explained...."

I can explain those few ones too.
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NO you cannot explain them and you have not explained them.
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"NO you cannot explain them and you have not explained them."

Yes, I can.

I pointed out many flaws in the hoaxes. And you, the believers, do not show anything other than ad hominem attacks and blind speculations.
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there is more to crop circles like dna studies, weird cell deformation, but i cant remember right now and i dont care.
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So explain why the nodes in the plant stems in a percentage of crop circles explode from extreme heat.

Explain why in spite of the extreme heat the plants remain unburnt.

Explain why the same crop circles in which the above phenomena occur radiation can be measured at the scene.


Explain why crop circles that would take at least a couple of nights for a very large team to create can appear in less than thirty minutes according to the testimony of witnesses.
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Also explain why in the cases of crop circles in which heat has been present there is a demonstrated substantial increase in the yield from plants grown from the crop circle seed.
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explain why all the crop circle makers are so attuned to sacred geometry and deep knowledge of the fabric of this reality, when most people has little knowledge regarding the hidden patterns of nature, even high-caliber scientists.
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"So explain why the nodes in the plant stems in a percentage of crop circles explode from extreme heat."

They were not caused by heat. They simply ruptured under mechanical stress.

"Explain why in spite of the extreme heat the plants remain unburnt."

The extreme heat is an assumption itself. There is no evidence in the circles that the plants were exposed to heat.

"Explain why the same crop circles in which the above phenomena occur radiation can be measured at the scene."

There is radiation everywhere on Earth. Even your body produces radiation. You need to be more specific regarding the detected levels.

"Explain why crop circles that would take at least a couple of nights for a very large team to create can appear in less than thirty minutes according to the testimony of witnesses."

It is possibly that the witnesses incorrectly estimated the time it took or simply came up with one.
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idol_harobed  (OP)

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"Also explain why in the cases of crop circles in which heat has been present there is a demonstrated substantial increase in the yield from plants grown from the crop circle seed."

Again, the heat is an assumption. First one must prove the plants have been exposed to heat.
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02/01/2006 01:33 PM
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Idol allow me to retard...



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oops typoe -> most people have
idol_harobed  (OP)

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"explain why all the crop circle makers are so attuned to sacred geometry and deep knowledge of the fabric of this reality, when most people has little knowledge regarding the hidden patterns of nature, even high-caliber scientists."

This is also an assumption. One can freely interpret a graphical symbol.
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Re: Evidence that crop circles are man made.
the circlemakers do not lay claim to all circles. they show some night video and discuss some circles, but if you read their posts carefully, they do not actually claim to make much of anything other than commercial formations for advertisements.

they give the ILLUSION that they create the circles, and that all circle are 'easily' manmade, but they do not provide any proof, nor any explanations for the documented dispersion of megnetite particles, the dowsing and compass anomalies, the burst plant nodes, or the glowing orbs of light (the circlemakers have experienced them).

Idol, you disappoindont_use_thisack of scientific inquiry and research -- or even actually reading what they post before you make a claim with your thread header.

An ILLUSION of circle-making evidence does not constitute PROOF. The circlemaker site is no more credible than any other site. They prove nothing here, other than they've gotten some commercial circlemaking gigs for large companies.


Idol has posted the circlemakers site as evidence that crop circles are manmade before. Idol has never offered any other evidence, just this very-well-funded site (it's very slick and full of images).

Lame.
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[link to www.bltresearch.com]

Some info that might make you wonder about their origins. Look up in the sections.

[link to www.bltresearch.com]

It's funny how despite any info that may be presented to Idol, she will pick the point of view and explanation which best fit her beliefs. Idol, open your mind a bit. That doesn't mean to believe that ETs did it, but just not to close your mind on one possibility, that is that they're all man-made, and disblieve all other possibilities. Remain doubtful. You think you know it all and can explain it all, and thus you limit yourself in discovering new stuff, because all you seem to seek are confirmations of your beliefs. Is it because men can make crop circles that they are all man-made? There are some researches that really make me wonder (such as in the link at the top of this post).
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Idol,

Yes, the Oliver Castle video is a known hoax. I hate it when believers show that as proof - ugh. Embarassing.

And yes, there are many hoaxed circles - agreed. Not all by Doug and Dave, of course; this is a phenomenon that is all over the world.

However, the bent/popped nodes on plants are not something that are found in known man-made circles and are definately created by steam escaping at the weakest part of the stem - the holes are blown outward from the inside of the plant.

Magnetic anomolies are not known in man-made circles and yet sometimes found abundantly in other crop circles.

Particles of refined iron are not found at known man-made circle sites and yet are found in other crop circles.

Known man-made circles are usually done overnight - other circles have sometimes appeared within hours of a witness leaving the site and returning.

Known man-made circles do not show a pattern of being created overtop of limestone and underground aquifers.

Burnt and dried soil is not found in known man-made circles.

Interwoven layered grasses are not found in known man-made circles.

Math concepts beyond current human understanding are not found in known man-made circles.

Floating balls of light are not found near known man-made circles.

Known man-made circles have never appeared after an individual made a mental request to see a certain type of pattern.

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I'm afraid there is ~something~ to crop circles. I just can't tell you what it is.

I highly recommend this video:
[link to www.cropcirclesthemovie.com]

And yes, the complexity has changed, but so has our understanding and our attention levels. If human beings were the cause of all crop circles I doubt they would have given the debunkers so much rich fodder for ridicule as the 'bug/insect' crop circles (insectograms). That is just inviting people to disbelieve the phenomenon - it is counterintuitive to a hoaxer who wants to promote their own creations as genuine. And yet, there they were.
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blahblahBy the way, 20% of all crop circles could not have possibly been man made.
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Idol locks onto one or two issues and ignores the more all inclusive points brought out by those that disagree with her.

The probability of all crop circles being created by man is roughly comparable to that of an explosion creating a masterpiece of art.
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Re: Evidence that crop circles are man made.
>"Evidence that crop circles are man made."

"This is also an assumption. One can freely interpret" evidence.



When it was said that farmers reported large crop circles appearing in under a night, you answered:

>"It is possibly that the witnesses incorrectly estimated the time it took or simply came up with one."

Well, in your words, "This is also an assumption."



>"They seem to be quite simple to make."

Hehehe, funny. Emphasize on the word "seem". You don't "seem" to have stumbled upon complex ones.



>"something that bends the plants"

The thing is that, to my knowledge, man-made crop circles actually break the plants, instead of bending it, opposingly to some of unknown origins with are bent.


>"Also use the truck tracks"

Here's a possibility: What if these tracks are made by the farmer that's checking his field, or from visitors? Mere possibilities, yes, along with the possibility that they are done by the men who made the crop circles.
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Those intricate crop circles that are made are NOT man made. No way in all Gods creation can some guys with a long tape measure and some boards make those intricate designs...no way no way no way.

I dont know what is making them but it is NOT man made by some dudes with sticks and boards.
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idol you know what bothers me?
You always ignore FACTS when they don't fall into your Logic.

There's something I don't understand idol, what's the difference between a "man made" crop circle and a "ET made" one?

How do you imagine ET's? Do you think that ET's can't do things the same we humans do? Do you (and all other debunkers) actually KNOW anything about ET's to be able to determine what's ET made and what's not?

For example, do you think the Pyramids are "man made" ?

What about all the other artifacts? Years ago, my teacher told me that Columbus discovered America, that's BS, however how could I know as a kid?

There are many other mysteries that science simply ignore because they'd destroy every single theories about important things, they've lied to us about.

So I don't care who made the crop circles, the fact alone that they exists means a lot.


Idol, what about cattle mutilations? Are they man made too? where's the evidence and investigations? Why no scientist talk about it? Why is it an IGNORED topic?

And if they are man made, does that mean that there are secret science and technology available that no one knows about?

See idol if you really want to say something, please think about the entire picture, don't hand pick some questionable "explanations" and tell that the entire case is solved, because it's NOT.

I'd like to see a COMPLEX AND PERFECT crop circle being done by those who claim the credits, and see how they do it. NO CHANCE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT.
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I see Idol is doing a good job in bringing in some intellect to the board.

Thanks Idol





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