For Christians: The scriptural basis for the pre-tribulational Rapture

Again you ignore the scriptures: There is a Detainer holding back the "man of sin", and that is the church on the earth. When we are gone, and only when we are gone, can the man of sin be revealed.

Are you actually trying to say that EVERYTHING in the wrath of God is something the devil cannot duplicate?

What about earthquakes? Famines? Pestilence? Death? These have never happened before, since they will all be part of the wrath of God??

You're pulling irrelevant past events into an eschatology discussion and ignoring all the scriptures that say explicitly that the final 7 years are for Israel and the unbelieving world.

You haven't bothered to read anything I offered in the way of detailed, careful analysis. If you can't be bothered with my arguments, I can't be bothered with yours.

Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

First Resurrection includes the rapture. (Dead In Christ)
And this includes Tribulation Saints.

Headin' up to Elysium?


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Lisa,

You have a good heart but sister, do not mislead people. Read PROTESTANT
Kevin Barrett's messages. Jesus calls the supposed Rapture a lie. We take
up our Cross and follow Him through the Great Tribulation.

Our Lord corrects many of the Protestant heresies in Kevn's messages, He is
getting you ready to accept the faith. Faith Alone is one heresy Jesus repeats
and repeats about, it is not true. We must be a doer of righteousness (works)
to get to Heaven.

Sister, come to believe in the pinnacle of the faith, the most Holy Eucharist.
Then you will not be waylaid when the anti-Christ denies it.

The supposed Rapture verses are about the Final Judgment, when the last
trump is blown and the dead arise for Christ's coming. And the verse about
one taken and one remaining is about death.

[link to www.hearhisheart.wordpress.com]


love you Lisa,M

"gain you ignore the scriptures: There is a Detainer holding back the "man of sin", and that is the church on the earth."


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This is also something common to those that adhere to Pre-Trib......that the "he" is the church.


The Holy Spirit is in fact everywhere.......not just inside of believers.


When Daniel prayed...........his prayer was in fact held up 21 days.......because of the battles which take place amongst the angels.......things which we cannot see.


Michael the archangel has been appointed to stand guard over Israel.


The 70 Weeks prophecy was give to Daniel specifically in response to his intercession and for his people Israel. Naturally however the whole world will be affected by the last week.


During the final week.......Michael stands up (stands still).......and no longer offers protection to Israel. Then all hell breaks loose.


See Daniel Chp 12.


The "he" in 2 Thess. in my opinion is referring to Michael the Archangel.......the one who God appointed to stand watch over Israel.

I believe in the Pre-trib rapture for these reasons:

The believers are in heaven and are casting their crowns (included are the ones who received the crown for loving his appearing) before the throne. Can't cast a crown until you have an arm and hand i.e. physical body to do so. Crowns have already been received...so this indicates that something was completed. The resurrection of the dead, followed by the rapture. Otherwise you would be seeing the casting of crowns (four categories)talked about at the end of Revelation, and you don't.

Contrast that with the martyrs whose souls are under a big altar in heaven, complaining "How long Lord" and everything else they are whining about and they are told to wait a little longer. Also in the book of Revelation further down the timeline - when the casting of crowns has already taken place and the martyrs under the altar (souls only - no bodies)happens later.

Christ the Lord meets believers in the clouds/air...(Rapture) verses actually physically touching down his feet on the Mount of Olives and breaks it in two when he does.

The Tribulation is meant for the unbelieving jews and the unrepentant, as well as the Satanists, atheists, etc. Not the believing Christian who was told to look for the blessed hope.

Thanks for the post OP. God bless. Let's keep encouraging one another with these words.

Take your CATHOLIC heresies elsewhere. This thread is about why I believe in the pre-trib Rapture. It is NOT concerned with what anyone else believes; they can start their own threads.

It's a valid interpretation. And if you knew Greek, you'd know that the church carries the grammatical feminine pronoun, yet the Detainer also take the grammatical neuter pronoun. There are many variables, and several valid differences of opinion on the identity of the Detainer.


Now for the last time, please read actual pre-trib literature from pre-trib authors instead of only from anti-pre-trib sources.

church people throw this around and around this is the true church we are the true church...

The Christians today are lost in the dark assemblies of stone... And they call those buildings the truth... Idolizing a building a piece of wood and brick... Yes it's true...

PEOPLE become Churches by the Baptism Of Water... Their acceptance of Jesus Christ as their lord and savior...

People become the Temple when they are called to Teach...

People become Vessels Of Christ when they know how to teach the spiritual sword of Jesus Christ...

No wonder the world is as it is... Ignorance ... You have followed and teach... Just as written non are worthy all are short and all will witness the End Of Days... Together as a Lost Family that truly needs Saving...

And thanks and blessings to you as well; encouragement is a rare and valued treasure. Good points too.

Let us all remember David.....the teenage shepard.....and what he did with a small stone. God is there to fight the battle for you.......but you must first have the faith that He can do that.

He can walk you right out of an area full of troops.....invisible to all around you.


"The angel of the Lord encamps around all those who fear Him."


"For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavillion; in the secret place of His tabernacle He shall hide me; He shall set me high upon a rock."


"You shall hide them in the secret place of Your presence from the plots of man; You shall keep them secretly in a pavillion (shelter) from the strife of tongues."


"Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the perilous pestilence. He shall cover you with His feathers, and under His wings you shall take refuge."



"Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, even the Most High, your habitation, no evil shall befall you, nor shall any plague come near your dwelling; for He shall give His angels charge over you.......


Note: Do you believe this right now?......that there are angels all around you......and that no plague will therefore come near to you ?????????


God: "Because he has set his love upon Me.......therefore I will deliver him."

"He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him."



When all hell breaks loose......do not fear.....do not panic.
God is there.... ready to walk you right out of there.

But you must first believe the promises that He has made.


There will be many supernatural events taking place in the end times.

I know and agree that we are the church, not buildings of stone. Why you even felt the need to say this now, I don't know; it's completely irrelevant to the topic.

Why do you do this? Why do you keep presuming that whoever disagrees with your prophecy view must be afraid of suffering? Why must you keep insulting us like this? Why?

That's enough! Just stop.

Kind of a tangent, but is there a good thread on control issues anywhere?

Deny your own messengers. Oh well, everybody else, go read Kevin's messages.
It is going to take God to bring our Brothers and Sisters to the faith.
Trust Him, He can do this....

Read Revelation 6:15-17 and 1 Cor 3:13. The world except for a very few
holy people will wish to hide, for the rocks to fall on them when we are shown
our soul as God sees it in an NDE like life review.

This is the awakening as Protestants hear it in the prophetic and Catholics hear
it called the Great Warning or the "illumination of conscience."

On the Rapture, those are misinterpreted verses, the last trump is blown
at the Final Judgment and the dead rise at the same time.


God bless you,

Mary

How come you left off in the quote, Kevin's link? Kevin is a Protestant messenger, God is preparing everyone for one end time.

[link to www.hearhisheart.wordpress.com]

Look to the left, older messages are listed. Read them, Jesus says over and
over the Rapture is a big fat lie.

I remember you from a few (of my) bans ago... trolling every thread with catholic threats and insults. God will bless you too if you will stop this behavior.

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I try to avoid outside sources.


When Christ rose from the dead.....and walked with 2 of his disciples......and "opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures." They did not require other sources.


This is one of the functions of the Holy Spirit.


God also promises wisdom to those who ask in faith (James Chp. 1)


Wisdom is a distinct entity as can be seen in the first few books of the Proverbs. It is also something that King Solomon asked for......rather than riches. This greatly pleased the Lord.


Early church......referred to as the firstfruits.....the best.
Our times........the last fruits.


Satan is a master at half truths. He used them in the Garden and also when he tempted our Lord in the wilderness. He has infiltrated seminary schools and the churches with doctrines which sound good on the surface but are not true. He has divided the church into many subsections......divided by various doctrines.


This will only be corrected upon our Lord's return.



I am sensing that you do not want any type of debate on this thread......but just to present your beliefs.


So I will take off......sorry for the inconvenience and any hard feelings. Best wishes for the future.

I left off the quote BECAUSE IT'S ALL THERE IN THE PREVIOUS POST FOR ANYONE TO READ.

It matters not who or what your Kevin is, and you can stop flinging "heresy" accusations at me. Stop.

All things are possible with God... You were rapture'd long ago... Looking and teaching something that happened long ago... If I ask you where are you from what are you to say?...

Let's show the Truth... And why you stand today... And why you for the rest of your Stay here upon Earth... The Word Stay... Seek Truth About Yourself... What was the First Angel Cast From Heaven to this safe haven of God his private place of rest... The word rest what does it mean?...

Yes they are spirits of Angels that dwell upon this earth...

What was the First Angel Cast Out?... What is The Last Angel To be revealed...

Christians should truly know this as they claim they know it all as in the times of babel before they were smashed to the ground and scattered around to try again as they did not know what they thought they knew... Their tower was nothing but an idol of hopeless worship...

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What? I honestly don't know what you're trying to say, other than you think the rapture is not a literal snatching away of the church to meet Jesus in the air.

Thanks.

Do those best wishes include your going to another thread to paint all pre-tribbers as having emotional issues? I'd rather not have those kind of wishes.

As I thought blind so let's give you some sight... To take you from that daze of being Raptured and brought here to earth and given a body of Christ for your spirit to dwell...

Where are you from?... Your answer I came from the Light...

The First Angel Cast From Heaven The Angel of Truth... The Last Angel To Rise Here On earth The Same Angel Of Truth...

Now where are you from?...

Then we will reveal more or remained dazed and confused about your Rapture That's Already Happened ....

So you're here to insult me. You'll have to take a number and get in line.

You didn't read the OP, not even the bold sentence in the first paragraph. Read it.

Excuse me, this a discussion forum. You actually say it, I reply to negative
insulting Catholicism threads.

You are bothered so you call the truth a threat. Did you ever read the daily
Catholic bashing threads? They are constant at GLP.

Jesus explains to Kevin Barrett, your man, a Protestant messenger, why the Rapture is a lie.

Jesus is going to show you personally very soon the true faith is Roman
Catholicism, remember, it will take God showing you. If we keep talking about the faith, you will better understand before God shows the entire
world. He wants you to become Catholic. That we all believe the same are
Our Lord's words.

Again, he is not my Kevin, he is your PROTESTANT messenger. Jesus is trying to set Rapture believers straight.

Our Lord suffered and died, why do you think you are above the same?

And notice, you do not reply to the obvious "last trump", when is that trump
blown?

Do not be so touchy about the heresies, just let go of them. You did not
make up "faith alone", it came from Martin Luther's head.

Just making shit up?

The Ugly Truth... The Word Ugly... Understanding God Loves You... I didn't come to insult you nor am I... It's not your fault you were taught wrong...

If Paul expected to receive this crown, and clearly was not in the Trib., then it can only apply to an unknowable appearing: the pre-trib Rapture...

The Name PAUL... Please All Understand Lessons... He was a good teacher after his name was changed from the sinner he was to a Priest...

Judge and Not Be Judged... Try to Teach and be Measured ...

The Time Of Sinners And Righteous The End Of Days...

What's That?... The Seventh Day The Day Of The Sabbath... The Day God rests and judges and measures his creation for mistakes and wrongs...

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Maybe others have mentioned this, but the Rapture theory was first developed in the 1800s, countering almost 2000 years of theology, including the teachings of the Apostles and the early church fathers.

Here is the problem as I see it - 20 different people could sit down and read just one chapter of the bible and come up with completely different interpretations. This is why I believe that this modern insistence on sola scriptura is wrong. There is nothing in scripture that teaches we should rely on scripture alone for our faith. There is a lot, however, in scripture about tradition - that upon which the faith was based for the first few hundred years before the bible was assembled.

So, my question would be - what does the early church say about the end times?

That's because it must be revealed to them just as written... Read read and read until it's revealed it will not been seen...

Judge and Not Be Judged... Try to Teach and be Measured ...

The Time Of Sinners And Righteous The End Of Days...

What's That?... The Seventh Day The Day Of The Sabbath... The Day God rests and judges and measures his creation for mistakes and wrongs...

The Day Of Corrections...

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Excuse me, this thread has a TOPIC. "Discussion forum" doesn't mean "troll's paradise".



No, you attack people who weren't even talking about your religion, like you did here.