Rattlesnakes: So Mr Darwin, how did your evolution thingy NON-intelligently create their "back off I'm danderous" warning siren?

you have been doing this for months, please educate yourself. i'm ashamed to be in the same gene pool as you.

rattle is a lure for prey.

good example of evolution by natural selection, like the majority of your posts.

You aren't.

Some similar thoughts have crossed my mind [though I cannot remember creating my mind so I doubt it is, just following the herds mentality].
Red bellied black snakes, red back spiders, gidee gidde seed [rosary bead, crabs eye seed] etc have a clear warning of danger: red and black colour combination, yet these things are non aggressive yet deadly to interact with.
Yet ...... brown snakes, tiapans, tiger snakes, funnel web spiders and a host of other seeds ARE deadly AND aggressive or non indicative of their dangerous nature.
My thoughts [ever changing ideologies infrequently coherent] are there was more than one who has/have tried their hand at creation here.

How did the mindless 'evolution thingy' conceive and direct the construction of the noisy lure everything avoids?

OP is right... god clearly made the rattle snake out of modeling clay and then sprinkled a pinch of pixy dust on it to bring it to life. duh?

the amount of times these things take to develop is incomprehensible to the human mind, there is no way to accurately perceive it. check out the fossil record, it's really neat. your biggest mistake is assuming that evolution and god cannot be both equally true at the same time.

lol, thats the farside joke, "in gods kitchen" and hes rolling the snakes out of clay between his hands

but seriously, im outta votes, someone should sink this thread. OPEN FIRE!!

Due to the nature of curiosity it instilled. Through time and the experience of consequences, things have LEARNT to avoid it.

Not that I believe singularly in evolution.
Nor in singularity of creation.
Both and more are possible in my ever changing thesis.

Not this again.

God, please, no.

Are you saying things are designed by time? So.... time thinks/designs/creates? i see time as a perceived measurement of planets rotation around the sun, a means of putting events in 'relative' sequence to that, not intelligence.

How does a curious rodent snatched up by the snake learn and benefit?

The rodent that gets snatched does not learn... but even so you are looking at it wrong.

Say there are multiple rodents roaming around and one species happens to have advanced hearing due to larger ears... or a bigger brain... or something to that affect. The species that can perceive the rattle better has better odds of surviving. The other species gets eaten.

Listen, OP, you probably think you're helping to spread the Word. I actually disagree. I think your armchair approach acts as a convenient target for ridicule and will fail to help reach out to those not yet saved.

Take a different approach and revisit the theory of descent with modification better. You're assuming diverse species wouldn't arise and you're forgetting the evidence of the species on the Galapagos Islands themselves.

Present it but..... I'm a waiting in the bushes for ya...

You're not listening, sport. You present a little dancing man icon and proudly proclaim you're waiting for the proof. Now, cons can be done in science, sure, and are, but this isn't one of them. Stop looking at descent with modification as a challenge from the devil and start looking at it as proof of the divine substance and plan in nature.

Think of it like this, OP, why else would God command us to go forth and multiply unless he didn't want us to breed as part of his plan? If successive generations of progeny do not result in adaptation for some purpose then it's all just fornication, right? He wouldn't tell us to do that so there must a purpose to it, a mechanism of change that takes generations to happen. It's beautiful and it's not pseudoscience and it's not the sort of Alinskyite debating you seem to be into either.

Cool phrasing, i like the intrigue but....make up your mind, is the snakes rattle intelligently designed or... the result of haphazard bio-glitches?

QUOTE: "Think of it like this, OP, why else would God command us to go forth and multiply unless he didn't want us to breed as part of his plan?"

Quoted again for emphasis of what you apparently are not seeing. Definition of BREED

transitive verb
1
: to produce (offspring) by hatching or gestation
2
a : beget 1
b : produce, engender <despair often breeds violence>
3
: to propagate (plants or animals) sexually and usually under controlled conditions <bred several strains of corn together to produce a superior variety> [link to www.merriam-webster.com]

His plan, His conditions, not ours. Don't bring human concepts of eugenics into this please.

Are you joking? Its rattle wouldn't lure anything it could eat.

I'm missing what the snakes audio warning device has to do with breeding. I'm asking evolutionists to explain how the rattle was NON-intelligently designed and constructed, by 'accident'?

DGN with snake's rattles it's probably, supporters of evolution would argue, due to a mutation of a gene that caused rattlesnakes to develop a growth or outcropping that prevented each old skin from shedding properly. This would be a mutation that conferred a selective advantage as even other predators are cautious and do take note of warnings given. You're a shill. You make a post or two each day with the same basic point, "Hey, look world! See this complicated phenotype? It couldn't possibly have evolved because I have a static world view."

So the rattle was designed and constructed by intelligent mutation? Describe the scientific design and construct intelligent process of mutation. Not every step just the first 1,000 of them, to make it easy. Remember if you miss just one the project fails, no rattle.

Last Edited by DGN on 12/06/2012 09:24 PM

WHAT ABOUT THE FOSSIL RECORD?

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK AREYOU TALKING ABOUT?

ABOUT A FULL FORMED BIRD OR A FULL FORMED FUCKING ARCHEOPTERYX?

you hypocrite

The same way it NON intelligently designed JW's to have a "Back of im an utter retard" air about em...

Just sayin...

Unless God created snakes..so if he did he must have put the same warning mechanism into JW's to spare as many people as possible from being "Bitten"...

Which is?