I'm really sick of all the Catholic bigotry in Catholic posts If you want to see some examples just read the replies in this thread

What about it, and them?

"rate of sexual abuse among public school teachers is 10 times higher than that of priests."
[link to www.wnyc.org]

Under 2% of Catholic priests were accused of improper
sexual conduct with a minor. The majority accused
were dead at the time of accusation.

Under 2% OF that 2% accused of sexual conduct with
a minor of pre-pubescent age. (under .0004%)
[link to www.kyforward.com]

Abuse cases rate at over 10x less than public at large.
[link to www.kyforward.com]

-excerpt-
The term ‘paedophile priest’ has become such a part of everyday cultural lingo that most people, when they read in last week’s relatively respectable UK Independent that ‘over 10,000 children have come forward to say they were raped [by Catholic priests]’, would probably think, ‘Yeah, that’s possible’. But it isn’t true. The Independent was referring to a study commissioned in 2002 by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which was published in 2004 under the heading ‘The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States’. This study covered the period of 1950 to 2002, and it did indeed find that 10,000 individuals in the US - 10,667, to be precise - had made allegations of sexual abuse against priests (against 4,392 priests in total, around four per cent of the 109,694 Catholic priests active in the US between 1950 and 2002). But this doesn’t mean that these 10,000 ‘[came] forward to say they were raped’.

The 10,667 made various allegations, ranging from verbal abuse (being forced to indulge in sex talk) to being shown pornography to being touched by a priest over or under their clothing. Then there were the more serious allegations, which included being coerced into mutual masturbation, oral sex and, in some instances, rape. Yet where 3,553 of the individuals claimed to have been touched over their clothing and 3,981 to have been touched under their clothing, a smaller number claimed to have been subjected to what is described in the report as ‘penile penetration or attempted penile penetration’, that is rape or attempted rape; 990 boys and 213 girls made this allegation – a total of 1,203 individuals, not 10,000.
[link to www.freerepublic.com]

Last Edited by RDprofessor on 12/06/2012 03:56 PM

lol ~ so that it makes it all better? whew. Bet a lot of people are heaving a huge sigh of relief.

And yes, pedophilism is rampant and it is definitely not just in the catholic church. The anger against the vatican is its purposeful cover up of individuals KNOWN to perform these various acts against children.

Catholic order pays Native Americans $166 million sex abuse settlement

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

It wasnt just rape, it was murder, too.

[link to hiddenfromhistory.org]

The fine is not good enuff. Raze the church to the ground and remove the children to safety.

I believe that would constitute God wanting sacrifice in some instances.

No, I don't believe so. Scripture is replete with condemnation of sacrifice, most particularly, of blood sacrifice.

Whichever you prefer, I have no wish to return to barbaric times and more ignorance.

Evil is everywhere, especially on the internet.

There are many great men and women in the catholic church, and those that chose to do evil will be dealt with as truth always prevails.

If you agree that pedophilism is rampant then why do think we don't here more about it. I believe there are several reasons, first of all families cover it up because of the stigma of society finding out about I suppose, secondly if there is no money to be made by the accusers then why go through all the hassle and disrupt your life and your families life,thirdly the MSM wants to divert any attention away from accusations that the elite engage in such despicable and vile pratices, and lastly trying to discredit the most sacred of all vocations- the priesthood.

The sad thing is that you will never understand that most of the liberties you now enjoy are due to Christianity and Catholicism specifically. What type of world do you think you would be living in had the Roman empire never fallen?

well, I'm not even going to respond to the "most sacred of all vocations -- the priesthood" comment.... I'm sure it would fall on deaf ears.

As for the rampant pedophilism.....you ought to look up the sodomite gateway series on theopenscroll.com site.

very, very sad.......

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 12/06/2012 04:28 PM

Christianity is an authoratarion movement. It lacks humanity just like judaism and Islam. Far too long have we suffered. Remember the dark ages and the inquisition and you know these clowns have no god.

Christianity is an authoratarion movement. It lacks humanity just like judaism and Islam. Far too long have we suffered. Remember the dark ages and the inquisition and you know these clowns have no god.

The freedom & liberty we enjoy today is 100% due to the Protestant Reformation, without which we would still be in Rome's dark ages.

The Enlightenment and Freemasons will claim they are the reason for our present liberties. But, this is not so... the Freemason's NWO is the final head of Rome's empire. It is Rome's empire regaining what it had before, even more so - the entire world.

Remember Palermo? If you disagreed with the chur ch they6 put you in a statue and roasted you. I just figured RC Jesus was hungry.I ppreciate that catholicism gave me the right to be a human roast.Get that priest off my free speech. Our troops should be invading Rome and Jerusalem.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.

And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant-- these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations. Isaiah 56:7

... And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me. Luke 22:19

JEREMIAH1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.

The secular would have made a superstitious, far more evil world than what we have at present.

Well, there appears to be a bit of a dilemma here......hmmm, how do we solve it?

Hosea 6:6 For kindness I desired, and not sacrifice, And a knowledge of God above burnt-offerings.

Psalm 51: 7 The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit, A heart broken and bruised, O God, Thou dost not despise.

Isaiah 43:22-24:"have I not called you, O Jacob?; neither have I made you weary, O Jacob. Have you brought me the sheep of your whole-burnt-offering? You have not glorified Me with your sacrifices! I have not made you to serve Me with sacrifices! You have wearied Me with frankincense! Neither have you purchased for me slaves with silver, neither have I desired the good animals of your holocausts!"

Psalm 50:13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?
14 Offer thanksgiving as your sacrifice to God,
pay your vows to the Most High,

Isaiah 1:11-12: "Of what value to me is the abundance of your sacrifices? I am full of burnt-offerings of rams! I delight not in the fat of lambs, and the blood of bulls and goats! Neither will you come with these to appear before me! For who has required these things at your hands?"


Psalm 40: Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired;
My ears You have opened;
Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.

Isaih 66: He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Isaiah 22: Therefore in that day the Lord GOD of hosts called you to weeping, to wailing,To shaving the head and to wearing sackcloth.

13 Instead, there is gaiety and gladness, Killing of cattle and slaughtering of sheep, Eating of meat and drinking of wine: Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we may die.”
14 But the LORD of hosts revealed Himself to me, “Surely this iniquity shall not be forgiven you Until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts.

6“For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering, and in the knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings. 7“But like Adam they transgressed the covenant. There they acted treacherously against Me. 8“Gil'ad is a city of workers of wickedness – tracked up with blood. 9“And as bands of robbers lie in wait for a man, so the company of priests murder on the way to Shekem, for they have done wickedness.

2“I have written for him numerous matters of My Torah – they were regarded as strange. 13“As for My offerings: they slaughter flesh and they eat. AHYH shall not accept them. Now does He remember their crookedness and punish their sins. Let them return to Mitsrayim!

Psalm 51: 16 (14) Rescue me from the guilt of shedding blood,
God, God of my salvation!
Then my tongue will sing
about your righteousness —
17 Adonai, open my lips;
then my mouth will praise you.

18 For you don’t want sacrifices, or I would give them;
you don’t take pleasure in burnt offerings.
19 My sacrifice to God is a broken spirit;
God, you won’t spurn a broken, chastened heart.

Micah 6: 6 “With what can I come before Adonai
to bow down before God on high?
Should I come before him with burnt offerings?
with calves in their first year?
7 Would Adonai take delight in thousands of rams
with ten thousand rivers of olive oil?
Could I give my firstborn to pay for my crimes,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?”

8 Human being, you have already been told
what is good, what Adonai demands of you —
no more than to act justly, love grace
and walk in purity with your God.

1 Thus says Adonai-Tzva’ot, the God of Isra’el: “You may as well eat the meat of your burnt offerings along with that of your sacrifices. 22 For I didn’t speak to your ancestors or give them orders concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices when I brought them out of the land of Egypt. 23 Rather, what I did order them was this: ‘Pay attention to what I say. Then I will be your God, and you will be my people. In everything, live according to the way that I order you, so that things will go well for you.’ 24 But they neither listened nor paid attention, but lived according to their own plans, in the stubbornness of their evil hearts, thus going backward and not forward.

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 12/06/2012 06:18 PM

No dillema at all. God is fed up with people shedding blood. Unlike with the Messiah from the order of Melchizedek yet.

Not sure I am following you.......you posted scripture that indicated God is pleased with sacrifice.....I posted scripture that says he never wanted sacrifice.

I don't understand your post........

Learn the difference between the two priestly orders in the Bible: the Levites and the Melchizedek order, the Messiah is from. Then we can speak further.

oh for pete's sake...... I understand the christian concept of the priestly order of "Malki-Tzedek"

Do tell, in regard to the sacrifices.

the christian concept? I don't need to tell you that.... you know already. I no longer adhere to christian concepts.

So, what did you mean then by saying God wanted and approved of blood sacrifices, and when I showed you scriptures that He didn't, you said there was no conflict.

Shamar,

Fallen away Catholics are the most bitter. Don't be mad at God any longer, you were given the fullness of Truth. You must come home, the Remnant is Roman Catholic.

We've discussed previously, Messianic Judaism and their denominations are Protestant. You can't preach Protestantism while using a few Old Testament terms. You get a combo (mainly Protestantism), the people who rejected Christ and many many centuries later, men who rejected the Church Jesus established.

The fact is sister, the priest scandal was homosexual
not pedophilia. Our confused country, sodomy is fine, we
just voted in a pro-sodomy leader. How nuts. Sodomy is an abomination to God and always will be.

Apparently you do not know the difference. The Levitical sacrifices are the bloody ones. Unlike the sacrifices performed by priests like Melchizedek or Jesus Christ.

Maybe YOU don't know the difference. Does your God change the rules on people? At one time wanting blood sacrifice, and another time, not wanting it?

Hi Mary......actually, the priest scandal is both.....unfortunately most of the victims were minors...god only knows how much MORE homosexuality went on and goes on...... :(